SE Radio 732: Jason Gorman on The Effective Use of AI For Software Development

Owen McGirr, creator of SayIt!, Switchify, and an entrepreneur who builds inclusive technology, speaks with SE Radio host Gavin Henry about software accessibility. For this episode, Gavin emailed the questions to Owen, who prepared his answers and generated the audio programmatically using text-to-speech. Owen discusses what accessibility is, different ways a user might interact with software, how accessibility is currently handled between various operating systems, the technical challenges of creating SayIt! and Switchify, plus what developers can do to improve accessibility. This episode explores access methods, what good accessibility means, eye gaze, touch, voice, keyboards, scanning, switches, radaring, screen overlays, iOS accessibility, Android accessibility, which OSes have better support, AI testing, what vendors can do to improve, what developers can do to improve and what two things a developer can do immediately to test their software accessibility.

Sahil Walia, Senior Technical Architect at Snowflake, joins host Robert Blumen for a deep dive into Apache Iceberg.  The conversation covers OLAP, data formats, data lakes and lake houses, Iceberg as a data format, columnar storage, use cases, reference implementation, read/write, how Iceberg structures metadata, indexing, query planning and performance issues.

Vivek Yadav, an engineering manager at the payment company Stripe, speaks with host Adi Narayan about building regression testing for microservices. Drawing on his work estimating network costs for card payments, Vivek explains why unit and integration tests fall short when a single transaction's cost can depend on 100+ parameters across card networks, countries, and merchant types. He describes Stripe's approach: structuring services so that core logic is stateless and separated from I/O, then wrapping that logic in an Apache Spark job that replays historical transactions from cold storage to compare old versus new outputs at a granular, per-transaction level. This allows Stripe to validate major migrations with far more confidence and speed than a traditional shadow-rollout, and it now doubles as a tool for assessing network rule changes, debugging incidents, and even showing customers how a pricing change will affect their costs. The episode closes by noting the same pattern applies wherever AI-driven code changes need fast, reliable evals.

Sathiesh Veera, a GenAI Solutions Architect at At&T, speaks with host Brijesh Ammanath about the data-protection guardrails required when using LLMs. The core issue is that LLMs sit outside the cloud tenant in most enterprise AI deployments, which means that data leaves the company's perimeter with every prompt, RAG retrieval, and tool call. Contractual agreements can restrict the data that LLM vendors are allowed to use for training and audits, but they don't stop prompt injection or unintended exposure as company data is often shared to LLMs via natural language queries, APIs, tool and function calls, and MCPs. Sathiesh discusses ways to employ security measures and data filtering at each layer to conform to data security policies and protect the data. 

Max Corbridge, an ethical hacker and red teamer who is co-founder and CEO of Secure Agentics, speaks with SE Radio host Amey Ambade about how AI agents get attacked and what engineers can actually do to defend them. Drawing on years of offensive security work, Corbridge frames agents as a new and largely undefended attack surface: the industry has handed AI systems autonomy and the ability to act in the real world while carrying forward prompt injection, a flaw the frontier labs themselves describe as effectively unsolvable. He likens the moment to the early, lawless days of the web, when SQL injection was everywhere and adoption ran far ahead of security. The conversation builds from first principles as Corbridge explains what separates an agent from ordinary software and why three properties make them hard to secure: they are non-deterministic, their language-model core can be coerced, and they are increasingly interconnected through MCP servers, other agents, databases, and email. Turning to the attack surface, Corbridge lays out his "lethal trifecta" (a vulnerable core, dense interconnection, and security tooling that has not caught up) and contrasts the decades of layered defenses protecting an ordinary email inbox with the thin protection around agents that take autonomous actions on critical systems. The heart of the episode is defense. Corbridge orders practices by leverage: least-privilege access and privilege separation, sandboxing where feasible, imperfect-but-useful guardrails as one layer of defense in depth, and human-in-the-loop for irreversible actions (which he notes is contentious and does not scale). The discussion closes on detecting a compromised or drifting agent, the value of watching an agent's chain-of-thought reasoning alongside its actions, the open-source tooling landscape (including Corbridge's own project, Adrian), and his central advice: build security in proactively, define what good agent behavior looks like up front, and avoid bolting it on after agents have already spread across the business.

Jason Gorman, a software development expert and founder of Codemanship, joins host Giovanni Asproni to explore how best to use AI in software development. They start by considering how established technical practices — test-driven development, modularization, continuous integration, and continuous reviews — become more important, not less, when working with AI assistance. These practices help address several key limitations of LLMs, including keeping context windows as small as possible. Looking at AI's impact on team productivity, Jason offers some practical advice for teams to introduce AI tools into their workflows. The episode also explores spec-driven development, agentic programming, and the importance of writing readable, understandable code — even when it's AI-generated. Finally, Jason and Giovanni look at emerging research into the cognitive downsides of over-reliance on AI, and what developers can do about it.

Sonali Varde, Senior Software Engineering Manager at LinkedIn, joins host Kanchan Shringi to discuss how AI is changing the role of the engineering manager. They explore how AI is showing up in day-to-day management work, including operational reviews, planning, communication, workflow automation, and preparation for leadership discussions. The conversation looks at how engineering teams are adopting AI tools and agents, what kinds of skills and practices are becoming more important, and how managers can think about context, review, testing, and operational rigor as AI-assisted development becomes more common. They also discuss how AI affects coaching, performance conversations, hiring, onboarding, team composition, and collaboration with peers and leadership. The episode considers both the opportunities and limits of AI for engineering management, with attention to human judgment, curiosity, ownership, and the continuing importance of technical and organizational understanding.

Birgitta Boeckeler, a Distinguished Engineer and consultant focused on AI-assisted software delivery at Thoughtworks, joins host Priyanka Raghavan for a deep dive into harnesses for AI agents. The episode begins by unpacking the concept of harnesses and harness engineering before exploring the core building blocks — guides and sensors — that help AI agents operate more reliably in engineering environments. Priyanka and Birgitta discuss practical implementations of harnesses in real-world workflows, including the use of guides with .MD files and sensors with tools such as SonarQube and Semgrep, which steer agent behavior. The episode also explores how harnesses integrate with existing CI/CD pipelines and pull-request processes. Birgitta describes how stronger harnesses can improve trust in AI-generated code, while emphasizing that harnesses themselves require continuous maintenance as underlying foundation models evolve. The episode concludes with a thoughtful discussion on accountability between humans and agents, along with future directions for harness engineering and AI-assisted software development.

Garth Mollet, Senior Principal Product Security Engineer and Technical Advisor for Product Security at Red Hat, joins host Robert Blumen for a discussion of AI supply chain security. They start with the basics of supply chain security, including the key components of the AI supply chain, and how it differs from the conventional software supply chain. Garth discusses whether the attacks target model weights or inference, and describes the most common attacks and what's in it for the attacker, whether exfiltration, credentials, sabotage, or resources. The episode also considers SPIFFE, SPIRE, attestation, workload identity, and whether AI has the equivalent of "reproducible builds." Brought to you by IEEE Computer Society and IEEE Software magazine.

Clare Liguori, a Senior Principal Engineer who works on developer tooling and agentic AI at Amazon Web Services, speaks with host Sri Panyam about the Amazon Strands Agents SDK. This episode explores the philosophy, design decisions, and emerging patterns behind building production-grade AI agents. Clare frames any agent as three core components: a model, a set of tools, and a prompt. During this interview, she describes the origin story of Strands, the model-driven approach vs. workflows and custom orchestration, steering hooks, tools and MCP, sub-agents and multi-agents, memory layers, production readiness, testing and evaluation starting with use cases where trajectories can be evaluated deterministically, and anti-patterns for newcomers. She describes what's next for Strands, and offers some closing advice for getting results from working with agents