Separation of Church and Hate: A Conversation with John Fugelsang

In this episode, Shane reflects on the recent No Kings protests and discusses the significance of nonviolent action and the importance of standing against fascism, authoritarianism, and fear. Drawing on Christian teachings, particularly the principle of 'No King but Jesus,' Shane highlights the need for public faith and conspicuous acts of love. Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/  • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org   • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians  • Instagram: @RedLetterXians  • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne  • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne 

Shane talks with Steve Schallert about the innovative work he is doing with Saint Stephen's University to institutionalize peacemaking and nonviolence, creating certifications and degrees in movement organizing.   Connect with Steve Schallert • St. Stephen's: St. Stephen's U • Iziko Lamaqabane: Site • Steve on Instagram: @steveschallert • Peace Catalyst International: Peace Catalyst International Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/  • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org   • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians  • Instagram: @RedLetterXians  • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne  • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne 

This week, we speak with Meghan Good from the Jesus Collective to discuss the movement's origins and mission. We reflect on the challenges faced by Christians disillusioned with conventional church practices and those seeking a more authentic, Jesus-centered faith. Connect with The Jesus Collective • Site: Jesus Collective • Instagram: @jesuscollective Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/  • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org   • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians  • Instagram: @RedLetterXians  • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne  • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne 

We talk with Joash Thomas about his new book, 'The Justice of Jesus.' The conversation touches on Thomas’ upbringing, his critique of the Western church, his work on decolonizing faith, and the need to rebuild a more just version of Christianity. Connect with Joash • Joash's Site: Joash P Thomas • The Justice of Jesus: The Justice of Jesus – Baker Book House • Instagram: @joashpthomas Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/  • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org   • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians  • Instagram: @RedLetterXians  • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne  • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne 

We speak with Lane Terzieff, founder of UNIT+E, an organization that conducts specialized operations to provide aid and combat human trafficking in crisis zones. We discuss past missions, emphasizing the need for action and the responsibility of leveraging privilege to help others. Connect with Lane • Unit-E Site Unit+E • Instagram @uniteresponse Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/  • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org   • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians  • Instagram: @RedLetterXians  • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne  • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne 

Shane talks with Rev. Jen Butler and Pastor Doug Pagitt about the new Executive Order of Donald Trump loosening restrictions on faith-based nonprofits when it comes to political endorsements and funding.  The US has prided itself on the "separation of Church and State," but this could be a historic shift in what that looks like. Connect with Rev. Butler • Rev. Butler's site: Website • Books: Link • @revjenbutler Connect with Doug Pagitt • Doug's site: Doug Pagitt - Author, Activist, Pastor • Vote For Common Good: Vote Common Good • @dougpagitt Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/  • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org   • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians  • Instagram: @RedLetterXians  • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne  • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne   

This week, we're excited to talk with Los Angeles Pastor, Stephen "Cue" Jn-Marie, leader of the Church Without Walls on Skid Row. We discuss activism and faith in the current socio-political climate and delve into the emboldening of white supremacy, ICE raids, and the militarization of the state under the Trump administration. We also reflect on the spiritual and economic implications of modern-day Babylon, emphasizing the importance of non-violent resistance, moral courage, and community empowerment.   Connect with Cue • Church Without Walls: The Row Church • On Instagram: @therowla_ Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/  • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org   • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians  • Instagram: @RedLetterXians  • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne  • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne 

Shane announces the new God Loves Gaza campaign and shares his experience at 'Church at the Crossroads,' the inaugural, historic gathering of Christians standing in solidarity with Palestine.  Shane highlights the need for Christians to stand against violence, the importance of good theology, and calls for actions rooted in love and compassion.   Take Action: Sign the CATX Declaration Visit the God Loves Gaza site and sign the pledge.  Order a Peace Communion set.  Connect with RLC Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/ To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org  Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians Instagram: @RedLetterXians Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne

In this episode, we talk with Zach Lambert, lead pastor of Restore Church in Austin, Texas. We discuss the complexities of interpreting the Bible and the ways it can be misused or misunderstood. Lambert outlines his new book, 'Better Ways to Read the Bible,' which identifies harmful interpretive lenses—Literalism, Apocalypse, Moralism, and Hierarchy—and proposes alternatives—Jesus, Context, Flourishing, and Fruitfulness. He emphasizes that the Bible should promote healing and justice rather than violence and oppression. The conversation also examines how these interpretations are applied in social and political contexts, highlighting the significance of faith-based activism and community engagement. Zach will be joining us to discuss his book on this month's RLC book club, which you can register to watch for free: September Book Club Connect with Zach • Better Ways to Read the Bible: Better Ways to Read the Bible – Baker Book House • Zach on Instagram: @zachwlambert • Restore Austine: RESTORE AUSTIN | Join Our Community Today Connect with RLC • Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/ • To check out what RLC is up to, please visit us www.redletterchristians.org  • Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians • Instagram: @RedLetterXians • Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne • Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne

We talk with podcaster, author, and comedian, John Fugelsang about his new book, 'Separation of Church and Hate.' We discuss the manipulation of religion by the Christian far-right, Fugelsang's unique upbringing with parents deeply involved in religious service, and the distinctions between true Christ followers and those who use Christianity for ulterior motives. Connect with John John's websites: John Fugelsang John on Instagram: @johnfugelsang John's Podcast Connect with RLC Help sustain the work of RLC: www.redletterchristians.org/donate/ To check out what RLC is up to, please visit  us www.redletterchristians.org  Follow us on Twitter: @RedLetterXians Instagram: @RedLetterXians Follow Shane on Instagram: @shane.claiborne Twitter: @ShaneClaiborne