
“Transcript: Yudkowsky & Irving debate scalable oversight” by gustaf
In August 2026 Eliezer Yudkowsky and Geoffrey Irving had a 90-minute debate at the ILIAD III Conference. You can watch the "Fixed Audio"-version on YouTube. They first identify their disagreements like How hard is superalignment? and discuss the theory of impact of Irving's new organization Resolution. They then go into depth on scalable oversight.
Epistemic Effort: I transcribed the audio using 5 services and merged those using Claude Fable 5.1. Then I spent ~6 hours carefully reviewing and editing the transcript. (I also added links and [disagreement which they indicated non-verbally]. Subheadings by Claude Fable 5.2.)
Introductions
Yudkowsky [00:00]: Hi, I'm Eliezer, well-known Harry Potter fan fiction author. [cheering] [laughter]
Irving [00:10]: I'm Geoffrey Irving. I'm now the chief scientist at Resolution. I was at, for better or worse, various labs before, and also AISI.
Audience member: And Pixar.
Irving: And Pixar. [laughter]
Survey of disagreements
Yudkowsky: So we're going to try to resolve all of our open disagreements over the course of the next hour. [laughter] An impossible task, but not as impossible as some, really. [laughter] So I would propose that we maybe take turns stating beliefs, that we suspect the other might disagree with, that we [...]
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Outline:
(00:56) Introductions
(01:29) Survey of disagreements
(02:10) How hard is superalignment?
(10:24) Resolution, singular learning theory and capabilities externalities
(16:32) Should anyone do alignment research
(18:41) Mech interp and alien concepts
(24:20) Resolution's theory of impact
(31:12) Depth: scalable oversight
(31:17) Is imprecise training okay?
(34:38) Scalable oversight as interactive proofs
(37:10) Biased verifiers
(41:31) Scholastic vs experimental method
(45:13) Test case: Bio Anchors 2021
(52:40) Collusion and the society of Irvings
(59:37) Where exactly does the scheme break
(01:02:43) What a verifier needs that a coin lacks
(01:11:29) Audience questions
(01:11:33) Break
(01:13:43) "If not X, we're doomed"
(01:16:47) Is the current world also very bad
(01:20:00) What Resolution wants to automate
(01:24:20) Is any alignment researcher blocked on whether a theorem is true?
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First published:
November 14th, 2026
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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.
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