Pope Leo’s historic first trip; and, is this the most chilling Christmas carol?

This week, Ashley and Zac debrief Pope Leo XIV's first international trip to Turkey and Lebanon, where he preached a strong message of peace and Christian unity, and shared insights from the conclave that elected him. Then, they speak to their colleague and America's senior audio producer, Maggi Van Dorn, about the new season of her podcast, "Hark! The Stories Behind Our Favorite Christmas Carols." They reflect on Maggi's reporting trip to Coventry, England, a place of historic violence and home of the haunting Christmas hymn, "The Coventry Carol". Links: Pope Leo and Patriarch Bartholomew urge Christian unity at Nicaea commemoration In Turkey, Pope Leo pushes for unity and peace—within and beyond Christianity Pope Leo makes a strong pitch for peace in war-threatened Lebanon Pope Leo meets survivors of Beirut port explosion and calls for peace as he concludes Lebanon visit Pope Leo on what he was thinking inside the conclave Listen to “Hark! The Stories Behind Our Favorite Christmas Carols” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and at AmericaMagazine.org/Hark You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at AmericaMagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac chat with Daniel Corrou, S.J. Father Corrou is a Jesuit priest from the USA East Province who is currently the regional director of Jesuit Refugee Service Middle East & North Africa. Father Corrou lives and works in Lebanon, where Pope Leo XIV will visit from November 30 to December 2, 2025. Ashley, Zac and Father Corrou talk about: - The significance of Pope Leo choosing Lebanon for one of his first papal visits - Lebanon’s complex socio-political and religious context - How the region has been affected by U.S. foreign aid cuts In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss the biggest news to come out of the U.S.C.C.B. fall meeting, held last week in Baltimore: the election of a new president and a “special message” on immigration. In As One Friend Speaks to Another, Ashley and Zac try to find God in a board meeting. Links for further reading:  - Support Father Corrou’s work at the Jesuit Refugee Service - Analysis: The U.S. bishops showed their unity on behalf of immigrants—and may have repaired their relationship to Rome - U.S. bishops release rare message on Trump’s immigration crackdown in show of ‘fundamental unity - New USCCB president Coakley talks immigration, Viganò criticism and Pope Leo - Archbishop Coakley, Bishop Flores elected president and vice president of USCCB - Pope Leo backs U.S. bishops in opposing Trump’s immigration crackdown You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on an interview-only episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with Sister Theresa Aletheia and Sister Danielle Victoria, founding members of the Sisters of the Little Way, a private association of the faithful intending to become a religious institute, who live a mission of listening and solidarity with people who have been hurt by the church. Ashley, Zac and the sisters talk about: - The ins and outs of starting a religious order - The important and complicated mission of helping abuse survivors - Crises of faith from abuse and how to overcome them  Links for further reading:  Sisters of the Little Way website Descent Into Light Podcast You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac chat with Chris Cimorelli. Chris is the director of the National Institute for Newman Studies and the editor of the Newman Studies Journal, and an expert on St. John Henry Cardinal Newman, the newest doctor of the church. Ashley, Zac and Chris talk about: - Newman’s journey from Anglicanism to the Church of Rome - Newman’s many (and lasting) contributions to Catholic thought - Why Catholics of every theological stripe love Newman In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss Pope Leo’s recent comments on the importance of providing pastoral care to migrants being held in detention centers throughout the United States. They also look at Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia basilica becoming the world’s tallest church last week. Finally, they unpack the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith’s new document on the proper titles for the Virgin Mary.  In As One Friend Speaks to Another, Ashley and Zac speak to Simcha Fischer about her recent article for America: “JD Vance’s immigration comments are an insult to our Catholic faith.” Links for further reading:  National Institute for Newman Studies Pope Leo’s homily declaring St. John Henry Newman a doctor of the church St. John Henry Newman’s unique approach to conscience Pope Leo declares St. John Henry Newman a doctor of the church and co-patron of Catholic education National Institute for Newman Studies Pope Leo says ICE should allow ‘pastoral workers’ to bring detained migrants Communion Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia becomes the world’s tallest church Vatican officially says no to controversial titles for Mary: ‘Co-redemptrix’ and ‘Mediatrix of all Graces’ JD Vance’s immigration comments are an insult to our Catholic faith You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on a special Halloween episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with Micah Kiel, a professor of New Testament at Saint John’s School of Theology and Seminary in Collegeville, Minn., where he teaches a class called “Apocalypse-mania.” Micah is also the author of Apocalyptic Ecology: The Book of Revelation, the Earth, and the Future.  Ashley, Zac and Micah discuss: - How Catholics should read the Book of Revelation - Where our obsession with the apocalypse comes from - Revelation’s (violent) critique of empire In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss King Charles’s monumental visit to the Vatican, Cardinal Burke saying the Latin liturgy in St. Peter’s Basilica and Pete Hegseth’s decision to retain awards for soldiers who massacred hundreds of Indigenous civilians at Wounded Knee in the late 19th century. In “As One Friend Speaks to Another,” Ashley and Zac speak to Jackson Goodman, strategic program manager at America, about his and Zac’s upcoming participation in the New York City Marathon. Links for further reading:  Pope Leo and King Charles make history with first-ever joint prayer service in Sistine Chapel Cardinal Burke celebrates traditional Latin Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica Analysis: Why is Pope Leo letting Cardinal Burke say the Latin Mass at the Vatican? Bishop, Jesuits reject Hegseth decision to honor soldiers who massacred Lakota at Wounded Knee Support Cristo Rey New York High School You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac talk to Brendan Curran, O.P., a Dominican priest who leads interfaith partnerships at the Resurrection Project and serves on the International Dominican Commission for Justice and Peace. Links for further reading:  The International Dominican Commission for Justice and Peace website The Resurrection Project website Chicago Catholics confront ICE, fear and protests to protect migrants’ dignity, religious rights 1,200-year-old loaf of bread with image of Christ unearthed in astonishing find After altar wine becomes popular in bars, Kenya's Catholic bishops order proprietary brand Archbishop Broglio: Army’s cancellation of religious support contracts harms Catholics U.S. Army says religious support contracts to be ‘reexamined’ after Archbishop Broglio objects to their cancellation You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac sit down with Colleen Dulle, America’s Vatican correspondent and host of the “Inside the Vatican” podcast, to speak about her new book, Struck Down, Not Destroyed: Keeping the Faith as a Vatican Reporter.  Ashley, Zac and Colleen discuss: - The spirituality of a Vatican reporter covering church scandals - Colleen’s experience attending—and leaving—the Latin Mass - Being present at Mass as a “professional Catholic” In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss Catholic reactions to the monumental Gaza ceasefire and the denial of religious leaders’ request to deliver Communion to detainees at the Broadview, Ill., ICE facility.  They also look at Pope Leo’s first major document, “Dilexi Te,” and the newest member of the Castel Gandolfo community: Proton, the pope’s new horse. In “As One Friend Speaks to Another,” Zac talks about his relationship with Sister Jean Dolores Schmidt in the wake of her passing, as well as her years of pastoral work at Loyola Chicago. Links for further reading:  Buy Colleen’s book “Struck Down, Not Destroyed: Keeping the Faith as a Vatican Reporter” Amid historic deal, Gaza pastor says little is left after ‘tsunami’ of destruction Pope Leo pleads for a just peace as cease-fire in Gaza holds Eucharistic procession turned back by feds at Broadview ICE detention facility Roundtable: Pope Francis began ‘Dilexi Te.’ Pope Leo completed it. Pope Leo signs first exhortation, ‘Dilexi te,’ focused on love for the poor Pope Leo in first major document: Love for the poor is not optional for Christians Top 5 takeaways from Pope Leo’s first major document, ‘Dilexi Te’ Pope Leo ‘very happy’ to be gifted a horse from prestigious Polish stable Sister Jean’s legacy: A life of faith, service and basketball Sister Jean on Jesuitical What you don’t know about Loyola’s Sister Jean How Loyola Chicago’s Sister Jean prays—on and off the court You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with Kate Williams, the vice president of sacred music at GIA Publications, publisher of the “Gather” and “Worship” hymnals.  Ashley, Zac and Kate discuss: - Why Catholics don’t sing at Mass - How the role of music in liturgy changed post-Vatican II - Why the slightest changes in language make all the difference when it comes to hymns In a brief “Signs of the Times,” Ashley points to America’s coverage of Pope Leo’s first major document, “Dilexi Te,” and calls for audience comments and questions. Links for further reading:  Latin chant or folk music at Mass? A debate on what makes liturgy ‘reverent’ The new Gather hymnal is just good enough — and that’s perfect What makes for good liturgical music? St. Thomas Aquinas has 3 criteria for what works at Mass. Pope Leo in first major document: Love for the poor is not optional for Christians Read “Dilexi Te” You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac speak with Sam Sawyer, S.J., president and editor in chief of America Magazine, to discuss the recent controversy surrounding Cardinal Blase Cupich’s decision to present Senator Dick Durbin with a “lifetime achievement award” for his work in defense of migrants. Ashley, Zac and Sam discuss: - Senator Durbin’s decision to decline the award in the face of mounting controversy - How the “consistent ethic of life” should shape Catholic political engagement - Pope Leo’s surprising, yet pragmatic, response to the situation In “As One Friend Speaks to Another,” Zac and Ashley sit down with Jim Martin, S.J., and Joe Hoover, S.J., to talk about the late Robert Redford’s Oscar-winning film, “Ordinary People.” Links for further reading:  - Sen. Durbin declines lifetime achievement award after backlash for pro-choice position - Pope Leo weighs in on controversy over Cardinal Cupich giving Sen. Durbin immigration award - Chicago archdiocese’s plan to award Senator Durbin for immigration work meets pushback over abortion - Remembering Robert Redford and ‘Ordinary People,’ his devastating, nearly perfect film You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac sit down with Dean Detloff, a research and advocacy officer at Development and Peace – Caritas Canada, to talk about the importance of foreign debt relief in the Jubilee Year. Ashley, Zac and Dean discuss: - The biblical roots of forgiving debts in a jubilee year - How foreign debt stunts the development of poor nations - Why framing matters when it comes to debt forgiveness versus relief and justice In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss Charlie Kirk’s memorial service, including the stark juxtaposition of Erika Kirk’s and President Trump’s messages. They also talk about the recent execution of Father Mathew Eya in Nigeria, where 7,000 Christians have been killed so far this year.  Zac and Ashley also react to the recent escape attempt by three elderly Austrian nuns and the retirement of Loyola Chicago’s Sister Jean. In “As One Friend Speaks to Another,” Zac catches Ashley up on what he’s been up to and the perspective of being a new father. Links for further reading:  Dean’s writing for America Caritas Canada’s Jubilee Debt Campaign Jubilee People’s Forum at the G7 in Kananaskis, Alberta Peruvian Cardinal speaks at People’s Forum in Alberta Pope Francis lifts suspension imposed on Nicaragua’s Ernesto Cardenal Charlie Kirk’s widow says she forgives husband’s alleged killer at memorial attended by Trump, Vance Who is being served by making Charlie Kirk a saint: God or Caesar? ‘Nuns on the run’ in Austria offer a complex picture of aging in religious life You can follow us on X and on Instagram @jesuiticalshow.   You can find us on Facebook at facebook.com/groups/jesuitical.  Please consider supporting Jesuitical by becoming a digital subscriber to America magazine at americamagazine.org/subscribe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices