Behind the Scenes of America’s Next Top Model

Newly released Epstein files show thousands of messages between Jeffrey Epstein and wellness guru Deepak Chopra. What were they talking about—and why was Epstein so interested in consciousness and spirituality? Vanessa and Natalie are joined by Matthew Remski, co-host of the podcast Conspirituality, to unpack Chopra’s rise, the business of wellness, and why the world’s richest men keep turning to spiritual gurus.You can also check out Matthew’s other podcast, Antifascist Dad Podcast, and his forthcoming book of the same name. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Updated with the correct link! America’s Next Top Model was our early-2000s obsession—until the rewatch era exposed disturbing content hiding in plain sight. Natalie talks to pop-culture journalist Bridget Armstrong, host of Curse of: America’s Next Top Model, about Tyra Banks’s role, the show’s most disturbing moments and why “winning” the series didn’t mean a modeling career. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In addition to our regular episode this week, we’re dropping Episode 2 of Vanessa and Justine Harmon’s podcast Fallen Angel, “Emotional Content.” It’s about how Ohioan businessman Les Wexner, the richest man in that state, acquired the brand Victoria’s Secret and grew into the global sensation it is today — and the man who he was involved with financially, Jeffrey Epstein. Listen to the rest of the series here. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

America’s Next Top Model was our early-2000s obsession—until the rewatch era exposed disturbing content hiding in plain sight. Natalie talks to pop-culture journalist Bridget Armstrong, host of Curse of: America’s Next Top Model, about Tyra Banks’s role, the show’s most disturbing moments and why “winning” the series didn’t mean a modeling career. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Glynnis MacNichol, author of I’m Mostly Here to Enjoy Myself, returns to join Vanessa for a deep dive into Hulu’s buzzy new series Love Story, which chronicles the magnetic — and ultimately tragic — romance between John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette. Together, they unpack what the show gets right, where it leans into mythmaking, and why America remains so captivated by this iconic couple.Then, we play Vanessa and Glynnis’s earlier conversation exploring the real-life union that defined ’90s style and tabloid culture, along with their tragic death in a plane accident. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vanessa and Natalie talk to journalist Ezra Marcus about his viral New York Magazine story, “The Crypto Maniacs and the Torture Townhouse.” They unpack the rise of crypto “wrench attacks” and what one bizarre kidnapping case in Soho reveals about the new frontier of digital wealth. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Vanessa and Natalie talk to The Cut writer Angelina Chapin about Selena Gomez and her mother Mandy Teefey’s mental-health startup, Wondermind. They discuss allegations from former staff and the pressures created when celebrity and mental health advocacy become a business. Read Angelina’s story, “What Happened at Wondermind?” and stay tuned at the end of the episode for more on mother-daughter estrangement from Vanessa’s podcast, So Your Parents Are Old. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Vanessa and Natalie dive deep into the Beckham family fallout. They talk to Lindsey Weber (Who? Weekly) about the tension, the wedding drama, and how celebrity families control narratives—until they can’t. For more on family estrangement in the modern era, check out Eamon Dolan’s The Power of Parting. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you’ve been listening to Dead Certain, the new show about the Martha Moxley murder, you probably know Andrew Goldman. But we had him on a couple years ago. He’s talking about Harvey Weinstein. Before  Weinstein’s serious crimes were exposed to the public, he was simply known for being a successful — and notoriously volatile — film producer. When Andrew Goldman attends the same ritzy event as Harvey, an altercation turns into a full-on fistfight. In his hilarious telling of the unbelievable true story, Goldman reflects on the disturbing ways powerful people have wielded control over the media. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vanessa and Natalie unpack the kid-centric platform that’s quietly reshaping advertising, culture, and online life. They talk with tech reporter Sam Biddle, who explains why Roblox feels less like a game and more like a vision of the internet’s future. For more, check out Sam’s article on Roblox. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts  Read Vanessa’s book, Blurred Lines: Sex, Power and Consent on Campus, and check out Natalie on Instagram at @natrobe To connect with Infamous's creative team, join the community at joincampsidemedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices