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Robert de Groot and Web3 Privacy Now

13/8/2026
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Jade and Stefan speak to Robert de Groot, a core contributor to Web3Privacy Now, the research collective and think tank behind the Cypherpunk Congress, and CFO at Gain.

Robert starts from an unexpected place: privacy isn't really about hiding; it's about autonomy, the ability to choose what you reveal, to whom, when, and in what form. He connects it to something bigger than data leakage, the loss of the room to experiment and to fail, and the quiet self-censorship that creeps in when everything is recorded. From there the conversation opens onto the spectrum of privacy, from the journalist in a conflict zone who will work from a terminal if it keeps them alive, to the rest of us who just want a group chat that isn't intercepted and won't tolerate bad UX to get it.

A big thread is the gap between personal privacy and business compliance, and why the two still don't align. Robert explains how Web3Privacy Now evaluates the 800-plus projects in its Explorer (the "hard variables," verifiable code over marketing claims), why "zero knowledge" and "private" have become marketing terms, and why privacy adoption lags even when the tooling is ready, the preventive-measure problem, the group effect, and cookie-banner fatigue. On the compliance side, he maps the middle ground: opt-in reporting, viewing keys, and selective disclosure (picking up the thread from our Jordi Baylina episode), including a one-time key you could hand your tax auditor and be notified when it's used. 

He argues privacy will increasingly become a market-integrity feature, not just a civil-liberties one, shielding transaction amounts from competitors and MEV bots while keeping endpoints verifiable, and he closes on RWAs, why so many tokenisation projects quietly died on double-accounting overhead, and what "compliant by default" finally changes.

Key Topics

Privacy as autonomy, and the spectrum from uncompromisable to everyday

The gap between personal privacy and business compliance, and the middle-ground tools that bridge it

Privacy as a market-integrity feature for RWAs and institutional adoption

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

01:06 Why He Started Worrying About Privacy: Autonomy and Self-Censorship

04:58 Surveillance, Society, and the Loss of Room to Fail

06:01 What the Ethereum Community Really Thinks About Privacy

08:36 The Gap Between Personal Privacy and Business Compliance

10:54 What Web3Privacy Now Actually Does

13:45 Evaluating Projects: Hard Variables and Verifiable Code

17:01 When "Zero Knowledge" and "Private" Are Just Marketing

19:39 The Cypherpunk Congress and Why Privacy Matters Now

24:00 Tooling Is Ready, So Why Does Adoption Lag?

28:49 Compartmentalization, Intent, and Privacy by Default

34:38 GDPR, Cookie Fatigue, and Whether Regulation Backfires

39:49 Privacy vs Compliance: Does Privacy Make Regulators Nervous?

42:14 The Middle Ground: Opt-In Reporting, Viewing Keys, Selective Disclosure

45:31 Selective Disclosure and the Jordi Baylina Thread

46:10 RWAs, Institutions, and Why Tokenisation Projects Kept Dying

53:03 Privacy as a Market-Integrity Feature: MEV, Front-Running, and Competition Law

55:43 The Most Useful Thing an Ordinary Person Can Do

58:30 Where to Find Robert

Resources and Links

Robert on X: https://x.com/robdotrego

Web3Privacy Now: https://web3privacy.info

Cypherpunk Congress: https://congress.web3privacy.info/

Event: https://luma.com/spsnos9t

Oak Security's Research: https://research.oaksecurity.io/

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