The Growing Risk of Rogue AI in Banking

Penny Crosman, executive editor for technology at American Banker, talks about the growing risk of "rogue AI" in banking and why generative and agentic AI have changed the stakes for the industry. She discusses how banks are trying to balance the pressure to adopt AI quickly with the need to control operational, reputational, and cyber risks, including the threat of cascading errors and increasingly powerful models like Anthropic's Mythos.

Mike Hsu, the former acting Comptroller of the Currency, explains how waiting to adopt artificial intelligence has become a risk for banks and their regulators. He discusses why AI does not fit neatly into existing risk frameworks, how agentic AI is changing the cyber threat landscape, and why both banks and supervisors need to get more hands-on with the technology.

Sam Sutton, author of Politico's Morning Money, discusses Kevin Warsh's nomination to lead the Federal Reserve and the difficult position he could find himself in almost immediately once confirmed. Sutton breaks down how the conflict with Iran, inflation risks, political pressure from President Trump and the continuing investigation into Jerome Powell are all complicating the transition in leadership at the central bank.

Nick Anthony, a policy analyst at the Cato Institute and a leading critic of central bank digital currencies, explains why the CBDC fight is not over even as many in Washington have turned against it. He discusses why some opponents are unhappy with the Senate's proposed ban tucked into the housing bill, why he is suing the government for a Justice Department analysis on the Fed's legal authority, and why broader financial surveillance may be the bigger issue.

Federal regulators released their third effort at implementing Basel III in three years, with this one taking a radically different approach to the previous two under the last administration. What does this version do and will it stick? John Heltman, Washington Bureau Chief of American Banker, breaks down what has changed, the reaction by banks, and whether we've reached the beginning of the end for Basel III Endgame.

Both the House and Senate have passed bipartisan bills designed to promote housing affordability, but the two chambers are now squaring off with each other over a final version, including whether it should include community bank regulatory relief provisions. Brendan Pedersen, financial services senior policy reporter at Punchbowl News and editor of its Vault newsletter, breaks down the debate, how it became so contentious, and what will happen next.

Kathy Kraninger has seen the banking system from both sides of the regulatory divide. The former director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and now president and CEO of the Florida Bankers Association joins the show to discuss whether Washington is undergoing a regulatory "recalibration" including everything from whether banks will be required to collect citizenship information to the growing challenges banks face from fraud, scams, and rapidly evolving technologies like artificial intelligence. 

Brandon Milhorn, CEO of the Conference of State Bank Supervisors, argues that the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency is pushing beyond its statutory authority in areas including trust charters, stablecoins and mortgage escrow interest. He also discusses the rise of so-called "Franken-charters" and the risks he sees in the growing stablecoin market.

The Trump administration is considering possible executive action that could require banks to begin collecting citizenship information from new and existing customers, according to a blockbuster scoop in The Wall Street Journal. Dylan Tokar, who cowrote the article for the WSJ, talks about what's behind the effort and what it means for banks. He also discusses the CFTC's battle with state governors over prediction markets, the launch of crypto banks and Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong's role in the center of the fight over stablecoin yield.

Ben Hoffman, chief strategy officer and head of consumer products at Fifth Third Bank, joins the show to discuss the bank's acquisition of Comerica and what it signals about the future of super-regional banking. He explains why size alone isn't a strategy, why 2023 was less a "regional bank crisis" than a lesson in concentration risk, and how diversification and discipline shape long-term resilience. Hoffman also weighs in on deposit competition, fraud and scams, regulatory and political uncertainty, and the growing role of AI in banking decisions.