The Great Tariff Debate with David Sacks, Larry Summers, and Ezra Klein

(0:00) The Besties welcome Tim Dillon! (6:56) Nvidia H20 export controls, the China workaround, plausible deniability by chipmakers selling to China-linked entities (28:45) Trump vs. Harvard: Why the White House is threatening to take Harvard's tax-exempt status away (57:04) Hollywood's DEI facade, thoughts on AI, and more (1:18:06) Celebrity Jeopardy update: Friedberg is heading to the finals! (1:26:44) Science Corner: Mitochondrial Therapy Follow Tim: https://x.com/TimJDillon Check out Tim's new special: https://www.netflix.com/title/81992010 Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUzmVo2dZNs https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-15-25/card/nvidia-records-5-5-billion-charge-on-new-h20-export-restrictions-LXjxlqr2m80QIrfJxnYZ https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/trump-chip-exports-nvidia-h20-china-amd-d2c4c866 https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-nvidia-offers-new-advanced-chip-china-that-meets-us-export-controls-2022-11-08 https://abachy.com/news/nvidia-unveil-new-ai-chips-chinese-market-after-us-bans-a800-and-h800 https://www.moomoo.com/community/feed/compared-to-the-h100-how-is-the-performance-of-the-111725151846805 https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-could-face-1-billion-or-more-fine-us-probe-sources-say-2025-04-08 https://www.bis.gov https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/15/us-is-unable-to-replace-rare-earths-supply-from-china-warns-csis-.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-31/trump-administration-to-review-billions-in-grants-to-harvard https://www.harvard.edu/research-funding/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2025/04/Letter-Sent-to-Harvard-2025-04-11.pdf https://www.harvard.edu/president/news/2025/the-promise-of-american-higher-education https://apnews.com/article/harvard-trump-administration-federal-cuts-antisemitism-0a1fb70a2c1055bda7c4c5a5c476e18d https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/16/politics/irs-harvard-tax-exempt-status/index.html https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/09/05/harvard-comes-in-dead-last-in-nationwide-free-speech-rankings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v._Harvard https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/7/13/faculty-survey-political-leaning https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-parliament-extends-martial-law-until-august-2025-04-16 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06537-z https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00848-z https://www.researchgate.net/publication/389907980_Organelle-tuning_condition_robustly_fabricates_energetic_mitochondria_for_cartilage_regeneration/fulltext/67d8575e478c5a3feda50563/Organelle-tuning-condition-robustly-fabricates-energetic-mitochondria-for-cartilage-regeneration.pdf https://www.foxnews.com/media/george-clooney-calls-breaking-biden-2024-his-civic-duty-says-democrats-werent-telling-truth

(0:00) Bestie intros! (0:58) Reacting to Trump targeting China and postponing all other reciprocal tariffs (21:21) Measures for success of tariffs, debating the impact of letting China into the WTO (46:14) Is the US being exploited on trade? Was free trade a mistake? (1:02:01) Recession chances, How the Trump administration gathers information (1:19:39) Future of the Democratic Party, Abundance agenda, DOGE (1:51:00) The Besties recap the debate and Chamath recaps the Breakthrough Prize Ceremony Follow Larry: https://x.com/LHSummers Follow Ezra: https://x.com/ezraklein Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114309144289505174 https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1910058352278708638 https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/why-trump-blinked-on-tariffs-b588aea8 https://breakthroughprize.org

(0:00) The Besties welcome Ben Shapiro and Antonio Gracias (1:54) Why Antonio is helping out and what it's like working with DOGE (4:56) DOGE's latest findings: illegal immigration, social security, and more (27:59) Was Biden's open border policy a Dem strategy to expand their voter base? (39:55) Tariffs: Liberation Day chaos, reactions, strategy (55:26) Impact, consequences, and risks for the Trump Administration (1:13:50) How the US can thrive in a high-tariff world (1:31:33) Future US political landscape if the tariff strategy fails (1:42:27) Chamath recaps his best-performing asset of 2025 + wrap Follow Antonio: https://x.com/AntonioGracias Follow Ben: https://x.com/benshapiro Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://x.com/AntonioGracias/status/1906877800511893670 https://polymarket.com/event/magnificent-7-shrinks-below-30-of-sp-500-in-2025?tid=1743434648860 https://x.com/Geiger_Capital/status/1907553323387072774 https://x.com/enriqueabeyta/status/1907796286763409439 https://x.com/Geiger_Capital/status/1907622848149037509 https://x.com/litcapital/status/1907813630227173534 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/asml-euv-machine-lithography-chips-967954d0 https://www.hoover.org/publications/goodfellows https://www.ft.com/content/bcb1d331-5d8e-4cac-811e-eac7d9448486

(0:00) Friedberg and Jason are live from Austin! (2:51) How building an audience has impacted the Besties (11:15) Colin & Samir join the Besties! (12:01) Evolution of short-form and long-form content (22:18) Business models for creatives (35:04) Advice to up and coming creators (42:10) Chris Williamson joins the Besties! (50:17) Making it seem effortless (57:47) Monetizing content (1:05:02) Scaling a one-man show (1:19:15) Bryan Johnson joins the Besties! (1:20:13) Spotify’s move to video (1:21:21) Bryan’s Ketamine experience (1:28:03) Creators and value props (1:36:52) Issues with the US food industry (1:43:10) Top tips for healthy living Thanks to our partners for making this happen: Gemini: Go to https://www.gemini.com/allin to get $50 in bitcoin when you sign up and trade. Function Health: Go to https://www.functionhealth.com/allin and use gift code ALLIN100 at checkout to get a $100 credit toward membership - limited to the first 1K listeners. NIAGEN Plus IVs: Visit https://www.niagenplus.com to discover the future of cellular performance. Follow Colin and Samir: https://www.youtube.com/@ColinandSamir https://x.com/ColinandSamir Follow Chris Williamson: https://www.youtube.com/@ChrisWillx https://x.com/ChrisWillx Follow Bryan Johnson: https://www.youtube.com/@BryanJohnson   https://x.com/bryan_johnson Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect

(0:00) The Besties welcome Gavin Baker back on the show! (1:20) Nvidia balance sheet questions, CoreWeave IPO, M&A/IPO bounce back (16:22) US vs China in AI: Manus, China building its own Nvidia, and more (28:37) The Administration's endgame for tariffs (53:05) Signalgate: context and fallout (1:09:42) El Salvador deportations Follow Gavin: https://x.com/GavinSBaker Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.reuters.com/technology/coreweave-planning-cut-us-ipo-size-price-below-range-source-says-2025-03-27 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-adds-dozens-entities-export-restriction-list-2025-03-25 https://modelcontextprotocol.io/introduction https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-plots-charging-20-000-a-month-for-phd-level-agents?rc=pxkrxo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wJc7vHcTs https://x.com/JohnArnoldFndtn/status/1905296181208416744 https://x.com/chamath/status/1904547884877701610 https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151 https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/invocation-of-the-alien-enemies-act-regarding-the-invasion-of-the-united-states-by-tren-de-aragua https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-el-salvador https://x.com/Sec_Noem/status/1905034256826408982

(0:00) Welcoming Cyan Banister and David Sacks! (3:23) Behind the scenes of the Besties in DC: White House, cabinet interviews, and more (33:00) How M&A will be unleashed, Google buys Wiz for $32B, Tim Walz on Tesla (49:09) Deep dive on Google/Wiz: breakup fee, impact on VC, ROIC, cloud advantage (1:00:28) Treasury vs Fed tension, Bond markets, consumers, deregulation (1:12:57) Space rescue, SpaceX vs China, lunar landing Thanks to our partners for making this happen: Hims: https://www.hims.com | https://www.forhers.com Gemini: https://www.gemini.com/allin iTrustCapital (use code allin): https://www.itrustcapital.com/allin Follow Cyan: https://x.com/cyantist Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: Bessent interview: https://youtu.be/lSma9suyp24 Lutnick interview: https://youtu.be/182ckTL2KBA https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/18/google-to-acquire-cloud-security-startup-wiz-for-32-billion.html https://x.com/Tim_Walz/status/1902197581586833643 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-party-hits-new-polling-lowvoters-want-fight-trump-harder-rcna196161 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144 https://www.ft.com/content/e6f516e8-2262-44d2-a030-7071b62b0be7 https://x.com/thesamparr/status/1902385138308104685 https://www.wsj.com/economy/central-banking/interest-rates-decision-federal-reserve-ed172223 https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/technology/eric-schmidt-relativity-space.html https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/11/chinas-long-term-lunar-plans-now-depend-on-developing-its-own-starship https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/steve-kornacki-white-men-white-women-gap-gender-gap-rcna196791

(0:00) Chamath and Friedberg welcome Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick! (1:10) Howard describes his 30+ year relationship with President Trump and his road from business to politics (14:44) Running Trump's transition team, DOGE origin story, what it's like working for Trump (38:01) Balancing the budget and fixing GDP (52:21) Tariff history and strategy, global trade (1:10:34) Trump Cards, building better government software, AI thoughts (1:22:49) Sovereign Wealth Fund strategy (1:37:16) How his family reacted to his new role Thanks to our partners for making this happen: Gemini: https://www.gemini.com/allin Hims: https://www.hims.com | https://www.forhers.com iTrustCapital (use code allin): https://www.itrustcapital.com/allin Follow Secretary Lutnick: https://x.com/howardlutnick Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect

(0:00) Chamath and Friedberg describe their adventures in DC and welcome Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent! (2:12) Scott's background, what drew him to equities, the role of macro investors (7:22) The legendary trade that broke the Bank of England in 1992, and how it relates to Main Street vs Wall Street today (21:30) Scott explains the Trump Administration's economic strategy (32:45) How this administration plans to de-regulate the economy, Fed relationship, re-financing debt (42:06) DOGE, DC grifts, shakeup at the IRS (50:51) Re-engineering social security through the US SWF, how energy factors in (1:00:02) Surprises, fixing affordability, thoughts on President Trump Thanks to our partners for making this happen: Gemini: https://www.gemini.com/allin Hims: https://www.hims.com | https://www.forhers.com iTrustCapital (use code allin): https://www.itrustcapital.com/allin Follow Secretary Bessent: https://x.com/SecScottBessent Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect

(0:00) The Besties intro Andrew Schulz! (3:29) Friedberg hits a quick Science Corner on the future of fertility (9:35) Reacting to Gavin Newsom's new podcast: genius or pandering? (19:36) Tariff experiment so far: risks, communication issues, and more (30:44) Why the American Dream is broken and how to fix it: cracking the housing market, social security reform (55:45) Aligning upside via increased stock market participation (1:11:23) How Andrew blew up in comedy, going direct via YouTube, building a cancel-proof following (1:22:25) State of America, conspiracy obsession, thoughts on Trump and DOGE GET TICKETS for All-In Live: Miami https://allin.com/events Follow Andrew: https://x.com/andrewschulz Check out Andrew's new special LIFE: https://www.netflix.com/title/81741999 Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://x.com/chamath/status/1895948351516131515 https://x.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1897132043362034153 https://electrek.co/2025/02/07/renewables-90-percent-new-us-capacity-2024-ferc https://www.wsj.com/opinion/bidens-mortgage-relief-fuels-higher-housing-prices-policy-loans-risk-cb0a1974

(0:00) The Besties welcome Joe Lonsdale! (3:51) Jason recaps an eventful week in Washington (8:29) Trump's tariffs: endgame, impact, chaos, master plan (26:25) DOGE, IRA grifting, do campaign contributions need to be capped? (53:42) CoreWeave IPO (1:03:36) Trump 2.0 favoring Main Street over Wall Street, bond market breakdown, re-balancing the economy (1:14:19) State of Ukraine/Russia, the Western alliance, and how techno-optimism plays into the future of defense pacts (1:24:31) GPT-4.5, Grok 3 on X, and the Golden Age of language models (1:33:47) All-In for F1 Miami! (1:37:34) David Sacks joins Jason to break down the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and Digital Asset Stockpile (1:48:30) Sacks addresses clearing all of his crypto-related positions prior to Inauguration Day (1:57:23) Importance of disclosures and updates on a market structure bill GET TICKETS for All-In Live: Miami https://allin.com/events Follow Joe: https://x.com/JTLonsdale Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114093526901586124 https://x.com/JTLonsdale/status/1896245689488920748 https://x.com/Jason/status/1896235076456739138 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114093946326587357 https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-ceo-meet-with-trump-tout-investment-plans-2025-03-03 https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1896655215899893968 https://x.com/USATODAY/status/1897248477081460849 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rejects-trump-administrations-bid-avoid-paying-usaid-con-rcna194230 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114116432894994278 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114112015891353323 https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trump-auto-tariff-rate-will-be-around-25-2025-02-18 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USGOVT https://x.com/DOGE/status/1897464303428755692 https://electrek.co/2025/02/07/renewables-90-percent-new-us-capacity-2024-ferc https://www.thefp.com/p/a-20-billion-slush-fund-nonprofits https://x.com/bariweiss/status/1896992192197013888 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114117008305421663 https://x.com/chamath/status/1895948351516131515 https://x.com/chamath/status/1895948351516131515 https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1897737394964906437 https://x.com/great_martis/status/1897194563800064153 https://x.com/great_martis/status/1897581115952804248 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1769628/000119312525044231/d899798ds1.htm https://x.com/chamath/status/1896052861500604884 https://www.newsweek.com/map-global-thorium-reserves-country-2039893 https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-bitcoin-cryptocurrency-stockpile-6f1314f5e99bbf47cc3ee6fc6178588d https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/strengthening-american-leadership-in-digital-financial-technology https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/establishment-of-the-strategic-bitcoin-reserveand-united-states-digital-asset-stockpile https://x.com/dmartkc/status/1896260059640025113 https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1896306748052623852 https://x.com/_Andre_Ellis/status/1896935969041104981 https://x.com/KyleSamani/status/1897130321021411750 https://x.com/pbartstephens/status/1897008176467468349 https://x.com/HHorsley/status/1897461451675328879