Extinction Begins with Silence: Apathy, Shifting Baselines, and Choosing to Act

In this classic episode, Chris and Angie tackle the jaguar. Who is more than just a powerful predator, it’s a keystone species that helps regulate entire ecosystems across Central and South America. By controlling populations of prey like deer, capybara, and even caiman, jaguars maintain balance in the food web, preventing overgrazing and supporting forest regeneration. Currently listed as Near Threatened, jaguar populations are declining due to habitat loss, deforestation, and human conflict. As forests are fragmented, their territories shrink, putting pressure on one of the most important predators in the Americas. Protecting jaguars means protecting entire ecosystems—and ultimately, the future of biodiversity itself. == Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris opens this min episode by arguing that extinction begins with silence and that humans live in “awareness without response,” Citing species decline and ecosystem change, including emperor penguins being upgraded to endangered with a projected 90% decline by century’s end, he frames our current global reality. Chris states apathy, quoted from Dr. Jane Goodall, as a quiet, dangerous gap between knowing and acting, driven by disconnection, distance, and overwhelm. The time to act is now and Chris sets up for future episodes on how we will accomplish that. Timeline 00:00 Extinction Starts With Silence 01:01 Awareness Without Response 02:28 Apathy Not Ignorance 03:50 Vaquita And Pangolin Examples 05:31 Slow Collapse And Shifting Baselines 06:39 Birdsong Comparison Australia vs NZ 09:59 Forest Elephants And Ocean Declines 14:59 Migration Timing Breaking Down 17:31 Inaction Becomes A Decision 22:06 Responsibility And What We Can Do 23:03 Jane Goodall Hopeful Sendoff == Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this classic episode, Chris and Angie chat all about Chinchillas. Chinchillas are famous for having the densest fur on Earth, but that same trait nearly wiped them out. Native to the Andes, these incredible jumpers and dust-bathing specialists are now endangered due to hunting and habitat loss. Today, wild populations remain small and fragmented. The long-tailed chinchilla is listed as endangered, while the short-tailed chinchilla is critically endangered, making their survival in the wild increasingly uncertain without continued protection. == Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris interviews Natalie Madden of Defenders of Wildlife on how noise pollution impacts birds. Drawing on a meta-analysis of 160 studies, she highlights strong negative effects on reproduction, along with changes in behavior, communication, and stress physiology. The episode explores major noise sources, links to broader bird declines, and practical ways at both individual and policy-level to reduce noise and support conservation. Timeline 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 00:18 Why Noise Pollution Matters 02:28 Meta Analysis Overview 03:44 Biggest Finding Reproduction 05:04 Bird Declines and Biomass 08:20 Where Noise Fits Among Threats 10:44 Mechanisms Stress and Physiology 12:04 Communication Masking Effects 16:14 Major Noise Sources Explained 19:15 Fitness Impacts Beyond Nesting 21:17 Ecosystems and Habitat Differences 21:35 Habitat Buffers Noise 22:57 Traits and Urban Tolerance 24:49 Omnivores as Survivors 27:02 Winners and Nest Types 28:57 Noise in Recovery Plans 32:16 Politics and ESA Battles 38:32 What You Can Do 41:14 Learn More and Wrap Up == Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally recorded in 2020, this episode dives into the fascinating world of the American black bear—one of North America’s most adaptable and misunderstood large mammals. From dense forests to suburban neighborhoods, black bears have quietly become one of the most successful large carnivores on the continent. But behind their familiar image lies a highly intelligent, resourceful animal with complex behaviors and a critical role in maintaining healthy ecosystems. In this episode, Chris& Angie explores: The biology and behavior of American black bears Their incredible adaptability across habitats Hibernation (and what’s really happening physiologically) Human–bear interactions and common misconceptions == Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris reframes migration as a planet-connecting system that moves energy and nutrients and keeps ecosystems in sync—now facing a growing “migration collapse,” where patterns break down before species disappear. He explores three failure modes: disrupted timing from climate change, broken routes from human barriers, and energetic failure when animals can’t find enough food. Through monarch butterflies, gray whales, and salmon, he shows a spectrum from fragile resilience to systems already failing. The episode closes with a hopeful message: when pressure is reduced, nature can respond—and protecting migration corridors is key. Timeline 00:00 Welcome and Big Question 01:14 Why Migration Matters 03:26 Energy Drives Movement 05:33 Migration as a System 08:26 Monarchs Changed My View 11:07 What Is Migration Collapse 13:32 Three Ways Collapse Happens 19:27 Monarch Migration Explained 24:08 Threats and Cautious Hope 26:21 Resilience Not Recovery 26:47 Gray Whale Epic Journey 29:49 Arctic Food Web Unraveling 31:07 Migration Collapse In Real Time 32:50 Salmon Life Cycle Miracle 36:43 Dams And Route Disruption 38:48 Ripple Effects On Forests 40:02 Three Species One Pattern 43:21 Stages Of System Breakdown 44:33 Hope Over Apathy 46:23 Actions That Scale Up 48:13 Your Role In The Story == Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this re-release, Chris and Angie highlight why Meerkats may be small, but their world is anything but simple. Native to the arid regions of southern Africa, these highly social mammals live in tight-knit groups where every individual has a role. From babysitters and hunters to vigilant sentinels standing guard against predators. Their cooperative behavior is one of the most sophisticated in the animal kingdom, offering a powerful glimpse into how survival can depend on communication, trust, and teamwork. While meerkats are not currently endangered, they face growing pressures from habitat degradation, climate variability, and human expansion across their range. In this episode, we revisit one of nature’s most charismatic species and explore what meerkats can teach us not just about life in the desert, but about resilience, community, and the power of working together. == Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris draws on his PhD-era experience at Texas A&M—including meeting Dewey, the world’s first cloned deer—to unpack de-extinction and why cloning is far harder and less efficient than headlines suggest. He revisits Dolly’s breakthrough, explains somatic cell nuclear transfer, and highlights low success rates and frequent abnormalities. Chris explores the only true de-extinction attempt, the Pyrenean ibex, which survived only minutes, and explains why mammoths and “dire wolves” cannot be truly cloned due to fragmented DNA, with current efforts relying instead on genetic engineering. Chris also outlines major challenges around elephant egg sourcing, embryo transfer, and gestation, questions claims that mammoths could meaningfully impact climate change, and argues conservation resources are better directed toward protecting existing species, while acknowledging potential scientific benefits from the research. Timeline 00:00 Podcast Intro and De-Extinction 00:38 Meeting Dewey the Clone 03:31 Cloning Hype vs Reality 05:06 Elephant Repro Research Shift 07:02 Dolly and Cell Reset 10:22 How Cloning Works 15:46 Lab Data on Efficiency 20:50 De-Extinction Case Study Ibex 22:32 Why Mammoths Aren't Clones 26:40 Elephant Surrogates and Obstacles 30:36 Elephant Egg Retrieval 31:43 Lab Grown Gametes 32:33 Embryo Transfer Challenges 33:01 Welfare and Ethics 34:26 Climate Claims Debunked 36:28 Funding Priorities Debate 38:50 Real Conservation Wins 40:07 False Tech Fix Narrative 42:58 Forest Elephants Solution 47:01 Moonshot Case for Science 49:57 What De Extinction Delivers 52:02 Choose Protection Today =========================================================== Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris and Angie venture into the darkest depths of the ocean to meet one of the most bizarre and misunderstood creatures on Earth—the anglerfish. In this episode, we explore how these deep-sea predators survive in a world without light, using bioluminescent lures to hunt in the abyss. But it’s their reproduction that truly defies belief, featuring one of the most extreme mating strategies in the animal kingdom. We also unpack what anglerfish reveal about life in extreme environments and why the deep ocean, still largely unexplored, matters more than ever. =========================================================== Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris welcomes Dr. Sammy Ramsey (“Dr. Bugs”), entomologist at the University of Colorado Boulder, to discuss Secrets of the Bees (National Geographic, Disney+/Hulu). They explore surprising bee intelligence—from navigation using the sun to puzzle-solving, teaching, and even play—alongside fascinating behaviours like the waggle dance and swarm decision-making. Ramsey debunks common myths about honeybees and explains why they’re less aggressive than wasps. The episode also tackles colony collapse, ongoing hive losses, and the impact of varroa mites. He shares simple, practical ways people can help protect pollinators at home. Tune in on Nat Gro March 31, 2026 Disney+/HULU April 1, 2026 Dr. Ramey's website and socials can be found HERE Timeline 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:12 Why Bees Amaze Us 01:46 Tiny Brains Big Intelligence 02:52 Secrets of the Bees Visuals 04:03 Bees vs Wasps Misconceptions 07:24 Colony Collapse Explained 09:58 Annual Losses and Data Confusion 14:09 Bumblebee Lab Play and Puzzles 18:42 Insect Culture and Conservation 20:25 Inspiring Future Scientists 21:46 Why Bees Deserve Spotlight 22:01 Secrets Series Perspective Shift 23:39 Waggle Dance Explained 25:21 Honeybee Democracy Swarms 28:04 Varroa Mites Threat 31:41 Fighting Mites With Genetics 32:24 Help Pollinators At Home 35:51 Hope And Final Plug 37:19 Where To Follow Dr Sammy =========================================================== Another thank you to all our Patreon supporters. You too can join for one cup of "good" coffee a month. With your pledge you can support your favorite podcast on Patreon and give back to conservation. With the funds we receive each month, we are have been sending money to conservation organizations monthly. We now send a check to every organization we cover, as we feel they all are deserving of our support. Thank you so much for your support and for supporting animal conservation.  Please considering supporting us at Patreon HERE. We also want to thank you to all our listeners. We are giving back to every conservation organization we cover and you make that possible. We are committed to donating large portions of our revenue (at minimum 25%) to every organization we cover each week. Thank you for helping us to grow, and for helping to conserve our wildlife. Please contact us at [email protected] if you would like to advertise on our podcast You can also visit our website HERE.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices