131: [What Came Next] Q & A

Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder. Join Amy B. Chesler for a new episode of 'Questions & Answers' regarding What Came Next, Broken Cycle Media, and more.  Submit Your Story: https://somethingwaswrong.com/submissions/ WCN on IG: https://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast/ What Came Next featuring Hannah Vanderhorst: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hannah-vanderhorst-something-so-sinister-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000703125368 What Came Next featuring Bruce Bieber: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bruce-bieber-i-was-the-uninitiated-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000712717519 What Came Next featuring Tabatha Ross-Brown: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tabatha-ross-brown-believed-instead-of-blamed/id1674051643?i=1000655144155 [Amy B. Chesler] The Darkest Times Are All Behind Me: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/amy-b-chesler-evil-lives-here-the-darkest-times-are/id1674051643?i=1000612743331 Season 7 SWW: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/something-was-wrong/id1447286743 Sign to Keep Jesse Winnick in Prison: https://www.change.org/p/sign-to-keep-jesse-winnick-in-prison-in-loving-memory-of-hadas-winnick Amy on IG: http://www.instagram.com/amybchesler Amy on Tik Tok: http://www.tiktok.com/@amybchesler Familicide: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/familicide-true-crime-survivor-stories-of-family-murder/id1790959014 Working for Justice: https://amzn.to/3If2Z6t Non-fiction manuscript proposal template: https://twliterary.com/bookproposal/ For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: animal cruelty, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, cold cases, gun violence, and murder. Haley Gray is a credentialed victim advocate and podcast researcher, writer, and producer whose extensive career in podcasting has seen many phases. Over the last nine years, she has lent her skills to numerous well-known true crime podcasts with an ever-growing intent to make the true crime podcasting space a more ethical and equitable one. In this very candid conversation, Haley shared about her own journey, her growing awareness, as well as innumerable tips and takeaways for victims and those seeking to make a difference for victims. The Broken Cycle Media is incredibly appreciative of Haley’s work, mission, and all that she does to support the victim community. About Victims’ Rights: https://www.victimlaw.org/victimlaw/pages/victimsRight.jsp Advocacy Tips for Families: https://haleygrayresearch.com/tips-for-families/ Advocacy Tips for Advocates & Creators: https://haleygrayresearch.com/tips-for-advocates-and-creators/ Bridegan Foundation: https://www.brideganfoundation.org/ Haley Gray Research: https://haleygrayresearch.com/ Haley Gray Research on IG: https://www.instagram.com/haleygrayresearch Light The Way Missing Persons Advocacy Project: https://www.lightthewaymissing.com/ Moms and Mysteries: https://www.momsandmysteries.com/ National Organization for Victim Advocacy: https://trynova.org/ National Advocate Credentialing Program: https://www.thenacp.org/ Petition - Grant Families of Missing Persons access to Police files after a period of 20 years: https://www.change.org/p/grant-families-of-missing-persons-access-to-police-files-after-a-period-of-20-years Project Cold Case: https://projectcoldcase.org/ Solve the Case: https://www.solvethecase.org/about Stalking Prevention, Awareness, & Resource Center: https://www.stalkingawareness.org/ True Crime Research Training: https://truecrimeresearchtraining.com/ For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Rula for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to head to rula.com/wcn to get started today with quality therapy that's covered by insurance.

Content warning: gun violence, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder. As shared in part one of his story, Bruce Bieber is a retiree from New York who had an illustrious career in commercial construction. However, after retiring and moving to Florida to live minutes away from his three adult children, Bruce and his family would experience a horrific heartache: the murder of Bruce’s beloved daughter, Abby, on January 29th, 2022. Since Abby’s life was stolen, Bruce has made it his mission to bring awareness to OIDV, or officer-involved domestic violence. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful Bruce was willing to share his resiliency, strength, and love for Abby, as well as his continued mission built from advocacy. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Abigail Rose Bieber. Blumenstein, L. (n.d.). Domestic violence within law enforcement families: The link between traditional police subculture and domestic violence among police. Digital Commons @ University of South Florida. https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/etd/1862/ Police Family Violence Fact Sheet. (n.d.). In National Center for Women & Policing. https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2017R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/132808 Russell, B. L., & Pappas, N. (2018). Officer involved domestic violence. International Journal of Police Science & Management, 20(2), 134–142. https://doi.org/10.1177/1461355718774579 Telling Amy’s story. (2023, April 24). [Video]. PBS. https://www.pbs.org/video/telling-amys-story-84oxa5/ If you or someone you know is need of domestic violence related support, please visit the episode notes for resources or call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7233. For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources. Thank you again to Green Chef for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to head to greenchef.com/50wcn and use code 50WCN to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months with free shipping. 

Content warning: gun violence, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder. Bruce Bieber is a retiree from New York who had an illustrious career in commercial construction. However, after retiring and moving to Florida to live minutes away from his three adult children, Bruce and his family would experience a horrific heartache: the murder of Bruce’s beloved daughter, Abby, on January 29th, 2022. Since Abby’s life was stolen, Bruce has made it his mission to bring awareness to OIDV, or officer-involved domestic violence. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful Bruce was willing to share his resiliency, strength, and love for Abby, as well as his continued mission built from advocacy. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Abigail Rose Bieber. For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources  Thank you again to Cash App for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget, for a limited time only new Cash App users can use our exclusive code to earn some additional cash. Just download Cash App and sign up, use our exclusive referral code [WHATCAMENEXT] in your profile, send $5 to a friend within 14 days, and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account. Terms apply. That's money. That's Cash App. 

Content warning:  arson, assault, fetal abduction, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, substance use, and substance use disorder. As shared in part one, Angelique Robledo is an incredible mother and survivor living in Arizona. She was born in Southern California, but after a pivotal move nearly four hundred miles east in her middle school years, she found herself having trouble fitting in. Several years later, and not long after finding out she was pregnant, Angelique was introduced (by a mutual friend) to a Maricopa newcomer who she seemed to have a lot in common with. Over the next several months she would get to know the also-18-year-old via text and social media; they would discuss their pregnancies and build what Angelique considered a friendship. But everything changed on February 16, 2011, when their burgeoning relationship became nearly lethal. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply honored and grateful that Angelique was willing to so rawly share about her experiences and all that came next for her after courageously surviving an alleged attempted fetal abduction and attempted arson. Angelique's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/angelique.robledo92/ Angelique's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@angeliquemonet0 Sources: Dr. Phil Fanatic. (2025, March 12). Dr. Phil - s11 e97: Baby Snatcher: Barely escaping a fetal abduction? [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbDdw19NLgI Welner M, Burgess A, O'Malley KY. Fetal abduction by maternal evisceration: A planned homicide. Forensic Sci Int. 2021 Dec;329:111057. doi: 10.1016/j.forsciint.2021.111057. Epub 2021 Oct 17. PMID: 34739916. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34739916/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning:  arson, assault, fetal abduction, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, substance use, and substance use disorder. Angelique Robledo is an incredible mother and survivor living in Arizona. She was born in Southern California, but after a pivotal move nearly four hundred miles east in her middle school years, she found herself having trouble fitting in. Several years later, and not long after finding out she was pregnant, Angelique was introduced (by a mutual friend) to a Maricopa newcomer who she seemed to have a lot in common with. Over the next several months she would get to know the also-18-year-old via text and social media; they would discuss their pregnancies and build what Angelique considered a friendship. But everything changed on February 16, 2011, when their burgeoning relationship became nearly lethal. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply honored and grateful that Angelique was willing to so rawly share about her experiences and all that came next for her after courageously surviving an alleged attempted fetal abduction and attempted arson. Angelique's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/angelique.robledo92/ Angelique's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@angeliquemonet0 For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you to Outschool for sponsoring this episode. If you want to try Outschool, you can get up to $30 off your families first month when you use our link, Outschool.com/WCN. And don't forget this new membership exclusive discount is only available when you go through my link and use code WCN!

Content warning: robbery, armed robbery, gun violence, domestic violence, extortion, and corruption. Maya is a teacher, artist, and multi-crime survivor from Los Angeles. After finishing her undergraduate degree in Spanish in 1996 (at the age of 22), Maya found herself seeking direction. But it was only a couple months after her graduation that she experienced a life-changing armed robbery. Not long after that, she would travel to Argentina and forge a new life for herself far from the San Fernando Valley. However, she would be faced with even more tumult and trauma when financial, political, and socioeconomic crises in her new home increased crime rates, exposing her to the harsh reality of a nation’s unrest. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful Maya was willing to share all that came next for her as a her multi-crime survivor, and Amy is especially, personally grateful for her because she’s one of Amy's best friends and cousin. Argentina Crime Rate & Statistics 2001-2025 | MacroTrends. (2025, April 30). https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/ARG/argentina/crime-rate-statistics Bank robber sues bank - UPI Archives. (1987, August 12). UPI. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/08/12/Bank-robber-sues-bank/1575555739200/ Bernstein, S. (2019, March 5). Armed Robbers hit Tarzana Bank - Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles Times. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-06-29-me-19764-story.html Cutrona, S. A. (2017). Violence And Public Policy In Argentina – Analysis. Eurasia Review. https://www.vanderbilt.edu/lapop/news/030617.Argentina-EurasiaReview.pdf Donati, L. (2022). A Detailed Description of Corrupt Events in Argentina’s History: The role of corruption in Argentine politics, 1966 to 2022. Retrieved May 1, 2025, from https://jewlscholar.mtsu.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/b3b8ee0d-a748-4af8-99cd-5a540ffa0808/content IBM Contends with a Scandal in Argentina. (n.d.). New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/09/business/ibm-contends-with-a-scandal-in-argentina.html Refworld - UNHCR’s Global Law and Policy Database. (2025, April 15). Human Rights Watch World Report 2000 - Argentina. Refworld. https://www.refworld.org/reference/annualreport/hrw/1999/en/22985 Wikipedia contributors. (2025, January 1). Historical exchange rates of Argentine currency. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_exchange_rates_of_Argentine_currency Wikipedia contributors. (2025b, May 4). List of heads of state of Argentina. Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_of_Argentina For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources And another thank you to this episode's sponsor, Cash App. Download Cash App Today! Don't forget, for a limited time only new cash app users can use our exclusive code to earn some additional cash. Just download Cash app and sign up, use our exclusive referral code [WHATCAMENEXT] in your profile, then send $5 to a friend within 14 days, and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account. Terms apply. Disclaimer: As a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. That's money. That's Cash App. 

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, suicide, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. As shared in Episode 52 'What Happens Next // Part Two' (which originally aired on January 12th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach, and the current powerhouse executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving alleged sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change present and future resources and support for all victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Kelly’s advocacy and continued efforts for survivors, as well as for this conversation. Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Survivor for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ The Incubation of Silence https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy The Army of Survivors https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/ Child USA https://childusa.org/ “I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673  and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone. For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. As shared in Episode 51 'Against Big Odds // Part 1' (which originally aired on January 5th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach and the current executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving alleged sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change, present and future resources and support for all victims.  The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Kelly’s advocacy and continued efforts for survivors, as well as for this conversation. Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ “I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ The Incubation of Silence https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy Trauma-Informed Care in Behavioral Health Services: Understanding the Impact of Trauma https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/ Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673  and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone. For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: sexual abuse and child sexual abuse. It has been a great honor to host Mike Sacks and Kelly Gee on What Came Next prior to this conversation. Kelly first shared his experiences of abuse in episodes 51 and 52, entitled “Against Big Odds” and “What Happens Next,” which aired in January of 2024. Episodes 109 and 110, entitled “Silence is an Incubator” and “Up to Us to Protect,” were released over a year later and highlight Mike’s abuse experiences with the same hockey coach nearly a decade prior to Kelly's abuse. The two men, united by sharing their experiences in the media and a similar mission to change the world, created a non-profit organization called Survivors for Change. In this special episode of What Came Next, both men join us again to share about their process of developing a revolutionary program for survivors and their support systems in the wake of their healing. The Broken Cycle Media team extends our immense gratitude to the Survivors for Change team; it’s survivors and organizations like them that will enable the vicious cycle to end. Survivors for Change: https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ Survivors for Change Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Kelly Gee's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaliedr/ Mike Sacks's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/msackss4c/ [Mike Sacks] Silence is an Incubator // Part 1 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-silence-is-an-incubator-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000689894186 [Mike Sacks] Up to Us to Protect // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-up-to-us-to-protect-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000692173278 Ep. 51 [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 - 1/5/24 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-51-kelly-gee-against-big-odds-part-1-1-5-24/id1674051643?i=1000708699137 Ep. 52 [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 - 1/12/24 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-52-kelly-gee-what-happens-next-part-2-1-12-24/id1674051643?i=1000708699138 'I was one of them:' Survivor of alleged sexual abuse by hockey coach speaks out https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ Three former players join lawsuit over alleged abuse by hockey coach Adrahtas https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4204181/2021/07/23/three-former-players-join-lawsuit-over-alleged-abuse-by-hockey-coach-adrahtas/ Resources: RAINN - Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network: https://rainn.org/ National Alliance on Mental Health: https://www.nami.org/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources