1129. How to Get People Talking About You When You're Not in the Room with Michael Roderick

In the age of AI, relationships just became the most valuable asset in your business. But most entrepreneurs have no idea how to build them quickly, authentically, or in a way that actually sticks. In this episode, Kelly sits down with Behdad Jamshi, an engineer turned entrepreneur, super connector, and founder of CJM Marketing, who has spent seven years reverse engineering how human connection actually works. After connecting with over 4,000 people and helping clients generate $10M+ in five months through the right introductions, he has developed a four-part framework for building deep, meaningful relationships in 10 minutes or less. From the fish hook introduction that replaces the elevator pitch, to the three levels of conversation and how to leap between them, to the root and bloom model for applying energy to your network, this episode is a masterclass in the one skill that will matter more than any other in the era ahead. If you have been wondering why your network isn't producing results, this conversation will completely change that. Timestamps: 00:45: Behdad's background: from engineer to entrepreneur, and how he discovered his gift for connection 03:00: Why the Miracle Hour and Be's framework are a perfect match (and the question people ask most about authentic connection at scale) 05:15: The four-stage framework for building deep relationships in 10 minutes or less 07:00: How to attract people to you before you even say a word 09:30: The three levels of conversation, depth factors, and how to move between them fast 12:00: The fish hook introduction: the opposite of an elevator pitch 16:30: How to use fish hooks in everyday conversation, not just introductions 18:15: Amplified relationships and how deep connections are actually built 23:30: The exponential ROI of investing in relationships without knowing the outcome  26:00: The real story behind a potential 7=figuredeal that came from one unexpected connection at an Austin event 28:00: Where to connect with Behdad and how to work with him Resources: Connect with Behdad and explore his marketing agency matchmaking services: http://www.cjammarketing.com/  Connect with Behdad on LinkedIn for daily thought leadership: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behdadjamshidi/ 

In today's episode, Kelly pulls back the curtain on exactly what has been happening behind the scenes of the Miracle Hour book launch: the strategy, the systems, the surprises, and the things she would do completely differently next time. From the decision to distribute through Ingram and Porchlight instead of running everything through Amazon, to the grassroots street team model, to designing an immersion event instead of a launch party,  Kelly walks through every major decision and what it has revealed about how to do this even better for the Sacred Art of Selling. She also gets honest about the realities of pursuing bestseller lists, why pre-orders matter more than launch day, and what it has meant personally to see the names of every single person who has ordered a book and shown up for this movement. If you are building a book, a brand, or a movement — or if you just want a real, no-fluff look at what it actually takes to launch something at this level,  this episode is essential listening. Timestamps: 00:45: Where the launch stands — 2,000 pre-orders and counting, with the April 29th launch date approaching 03:00: Why this launch is different from every other book launch Kelly has done 05:15: The decision to pursue a traditional publishing deal for the Sacred Art of Selling — and why the Miracle Hour launch is the practice run 07:30: Working with Ingram, Barnes and Noble, and Porchlight — and why the publishing industry is unnecessarily opaque and complex 10:00: How bestseller lists actually work — the seven day window, Amazon's two week delay, and why pre-orders are everything 13:15: The bulk buy strategy and why it has moved the needle more than any other single tactic 16:00: Why Kelly designed an immersion event instead of a launch party — and what April 29th is really about 19:30: The three ways to attend the April 29th Miracle Hour Integration Day — free virtual, virtual VIP, and in-person 23:00: The street team — how it works, what the prizes are, and why Kelly is doing weekly activation calls with every member 27:15: What Kelly would do differently — longer runway, more teaching in communities, earlier pre-orders, and more single sessions that sell 31:00: The Virtual Business School relaunch happening on launch day — new AI tools, new Miracle Hour content, and what's coming 33:30: The most meaningful part of this entire launch — seeing the names behind every single order Resources: Pre-order the Miracle Hour book and access instant audio book access and bulk buy bonuses: https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/the-miracle-hour-bulk-buys Register for the April 29th Miracle Hour Integration Day (in-person or free virtual option available) - https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/april-29th-live-experience  Download the free Miracle Hour Toolkit: https://www.thekellyroach.com/miracle-toolkit  Join the Miracle Hour Street Team and earn prizes for every referral: https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/street-team-signup-page  Register for Substack Mastery session:  https://accelerator.virtualbusinessschool.com/substack--92237  For questions about in-person attendance on April 29th, contact the team at: [email protected] 

In this episode, Kelly sits down with thought leadership strategist Michael Roderick to unpack the frameworks behind why some ideas spread like wildfire while others barely leave the room. Michael, who went from high school English teacher to Broadway producer in under two year, has spent years helping undiscovered experts and thought leaders package, position, and present their ideas in a way that gets people talking about them when they're not even in the room. And in this episode, he breaks down exactly how to do it. From the AIM framework to the IPO model that separates the experts who get attention from the ones who actually get paid, this episode is a masterclass in the craft of thought leadership. If you've ever felt like you're more convicted about your idea than the people you're trying to reach, this conversation will completely change how you think about your message. Timestamps: 00:45: How Michael went from high school English teacher to Broadway producer in under two years, and what it taught him about relationships 03:30: Why it's not enough to have a great idea (and what actually makes ideas spread) 05:15: The AIM framework broken down 08:00: Why true influence means people share your idea without you asking them to 10:30: How to use language, emotion, simplicity, and structure to make your message stick 13:00: Wy talking about the problem first changes everything 15:15: How to anchor your innovative idea to something people already understand 17:30: Challenging the dominant narrative: why thought leaders have to be Dorothy, not the wizard 19:45: The IPO model, and why most experts get stuck at the first step 21:00: Aspirational buyers vs. success problem solvers — and why the distinction matters more than ever right now Resources: Visit Michael's website and explore how he works with experts and thought leaders: https://www.smallpondenterprises.com Sign up for Michael's daily email at: https://www.smallpondenterprises.com Connect with Michael on LinkedIn for daily thought leadership insights: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-roderick-1161571/  Grab a copy of Kelly's book Conviction Marketing, your blueprint for challenging the dominant narrative in your industry: https://www.amazon.com/Conviction-Marketing-Kelly-Roach/dp/B09S259DWK 

Innovation doesn't happen when things are working. It happens when they stop working. In this week's episode of The Kelly Roach Show, Kelly gets transparent about the hardest decision she has ever made in business: the moment she walked into her entire team, gave them 48 hours to decide if they were in or out, and flipped her entire model from high ticket to low ticket almost a full year before the rest of the market realized they needed to do the same. Kelly walks through exactly what it cost her: the team members who resigned, the ones who were let go, the drop from $100K a month in ad spend to under $10K, and the brutal math of going from one $30,000 sale to needing 30 sales to replace it. But she also shares what she didn't expect on the other side: a massive increase in quality of life, more mental bandwidth, more creativity, and a business model that is now generating over 300 sales a month outside of launch because the Miracle Hour compounds. If you are in a hard season right now and you know what you need to do but it feels like an impossible hill to climb,  this episode was made for you. Timestamps: 00:30: Why innovation only happens when things stop working, and what that means for your business right now 02:00: The moment Kelly decided to flip the entire model from high ticket to low ticket 04:15: Giving the team 48 hours to resign, and why the people who left were actually a gift 06:30: The brutal math: going from one $30K sale to needing 30 sales to replace it 08:45: Why Kelly made this move a full year before the rest of the market caught up 11:00: The human dynamics no one is talking about: why high ticket at scale is creating toxicity for service providers 13:15: The unintended consequence Kelly didn't see coming: quality of life, bandwidth, and stepping into the visionary role 15:30: How the Miracle Hour was the bridge that made the entire transition possible 16:45: Three things Kelly wants every entrepreneur to do right now Resources: Preorder your copy of The Miracle Hour book and learn how to make sales predictable, simplify your business, and take back your time: https://www.themiraclehourbook.com Get involved in the Miracle Hour movement by joining the Miracle Hour Street Team: https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/street-team-signup-page  Grab Kelly's book Conviction Marketing: https://www.amazon.com/Conviction-Marketing-Kelly-Roach/dp/B09S259DWK  Subscribe to Kelly's Substack: https://substack.com/@kellyroachofficial 

You can optimize your morning routine, your diet, or your workout, but if you're not sleeping — none of it matters. In this episode, Kelly sits down with Katie Pitts, founder of Sleepwise Consulting, to talk about the one performance lever most entrepreneurs completely ignore: sleep. Katie's story starts at rock bottom: a sleepless new mom who found herself researching adoption agencies in the middle of the night because she was convinced she wasn't cut out for motherhood. Within two nights of implementing her own system, everything changed. Eleven years later, she leads a team of 64 consultants helping families and entrepreneurs across the country finally get the rest they need. In this conversation, Katie breaks down what's actually costing entrepreneurs their performance, why the tools and gadgets won't fix it, and the three things you can do tonight to start sleeping better immediately. If you've been running on five or six hours and telling yourself you're fine, this episode is going to change how you think about that. TIMESTAMPS:  00:45: Katie's rock bottom moment and how Sleepwise Consulting was born 05:00: Why entrepreneurs are the worst offenders when it comes to undervaluing sleep 07:30: The research-backed reason seven hours isn't enough (and what happens to your brain after 10 consecutive nights of it) 10:15: The three things that will move the needle most for your sleep starting tonight 13:00: Chronotypes, cortisol, and why a consistent sleep schedule matters more than you think 16:30: Kids vs. adults — why children respond in two to three nights and adults take four to six weeks 20:00: What to do the morning after a terrible night's sleep so it doesn't spiral 23:15: The Sleepwise consultant model and the career opportunity for those who want to do meaningful work 26:30: Three things you can do to get a better night's sleep tonight RESOURCES:  Book a free 20-minute sleep evaluation or explore the consultant opportunity at: https://www.sleepwiseconsulting.com Follow Sleepwise Consulting on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sleepwiseconsulting Connect with experts like Katie inside our Legacy Leaders Mastermind group: https://join.thebusinessadvisory.com/join 

Note: This episode is a replay from this week's live workshop Kelly hosted for her community. We're sharing it here because the content is too important to keep behind closed doors, but you'll notice the conversational format and some live Q&A references throughout.  If you've been working harder than ever and seeing less return for it, this episode is for you.  Kelly breaks down a fundamental shift in how high-ticket buyers are making decisions, where people with money are actually spending their time, and why the strategies that built successful businesses over the last 15 years are hitting a wall right now. Kelly shares the data, the perspective, and the roadmap she's using with her own 7 ad 8-figure Legacy Leaders clients and private clients, and she's opening it up here because this is the conversation every entrepreneur needs to be having right now. You'll learn:  The trust and bot crisis that's killing online marketing results Where high net worth buyers are actually spending their attention and money Why high ticket live launching collapsed (and what the data says about how buying decisions are being made now) What the current era demands from entrepreneurs  How the Miracle Hour is being evolved and elevated to meet this moment Whether you're scaling a high-ticket offer, questioning your current growth strategy, or just trying to make sense of what's shifting in the market...start here. RESOURCES:  Missed the workshop live? Register for Kelly's next free, LIVE workshop and learn how our fastest growing clients are capitalizing on the new era to grow and scale their business in as little as one hour a day: https://go.thekellyroach.com/relationship-based-sales  Preorder The Miracle Hour book now or become a supporter + unlock thousands in bonuses : https://www.themiraclehourbook.com  Join The Miracle Hour Live Experience on April 29th in Boca Raton or virtual: https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/april-29th-live-experience  Read the Conviction Marketing book: https://www.amazon.com/Conviction-Marketing-Kelly-Roach/dp/B09S259DWK  Learn more about Legacy Leaders, Kelly's mastermind for multi-seven and eight-figure entrepreneurs: https://join.thebusinessadvisory.com/join  Follow Kelly on Substack: https://kellyroachofficial.substack.com/ 

Here are the show notes and social captions: Show Notes: Most entrepreneurs are doing visibility completely wrong, and it's costing them clients, credibility, and momentum. In this episode, Kelly sits down with media strategist and former Tonight Show intern Beth Nydick to unpack why more visibility doesn't automatically mean more business...and what actually does. Beth has helped some of the biggest names in the online space build media strategies that convert, and she's not holding back in this conversation. From the mindset shift that changes everything to the tactical framework she teaches inside her program Mic to Millions, this episode will completely reframe how you think about every podcast appearance, media opportunity, and stage you step onto. If you've ever wondered why your visibility isn't translating into clients — or you've been showing up everywhere and still feel like you're spinning your wheels, this episode is your wake up call. Timestamps: 00:45: Why visibility alone doesn't create clients (and what actually does)  03:10: The biggest mistake entrepreneurs make on podcasts and media appearances 05:30: How to treat every media appearance as a business asset 08:15: The difference between media and marketing and why it matters 11:00: How to maximize a podcast appearance before, during, and after 14:20: Traditional media in 2026: credibility, live TV, and the micro drama trend 17:45: Why you need to become your own media brand by 2026 20:30: How Beth helps her clients create media opportunities and where to connect with her Resources: Connect with Beth on Instagram and DM her the word "KELLY" to receive her authority gap diagnostic: https://www.instagram.com/bethnydick . Subscribe to Kelly's Substack newsletter: https://kellyroachofficial.substack.com/subscribe Follow Kelly on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kellyroachofficial/ Follow Kelly on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kelly.roach.520/ Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyroachint/

What do you do when a core part of your business stops working? In this episode of The Kelly Roach Show, Kelly shares the behind-the-scenes story of a major breaking point she experienced with live events, and how that breakdown ultimately led to one of the biggest operational breakthroughs in her business. After years of dealing with rising hotel costs, declining service, logistical nightmares, and event experiences that drained time and energy away from what mattered most, Kelly hit a point where something had to change. Instead of applying another temporary fix, she made a bold decision: erbuild the entire model from the ground up. The result? A completely reimagined event strategy that: Eliminated the biggest logistical headaches Reduced costs for both the company and its clients Increased profitability Improved the client experience And allowed Kelly to focus fully on delivering transformational content from the stage In this episode, Kelly walks through the exact process she used to move a major operational challenge from the "red column" to the "green column" and turned a frustrating business problem into a scalable asset. If you're currently navigating a breakdown moment in your business, this episode will help you see it through a completely different lens (and give you the mindset and strategy needed to turn that challenge into your next breakthrough).  TIMESTAMPS: 00:00: Why every challenge in your business can become a breakthrough. 04:00 — When a business model stops working (And why small fixes won't solving the underlying problem). 06:30 — Tactical fixes vs. systems-level solutions (and the leadership mindset shift required to create lasting change) 09:00 — Blowing up our event experience and rebuilding from the ground up 12:00 — Eliminating Hotel Logistics Completely Moving events to a new venue model that simplified everything. 14:30 — How our event became profitable before it even started. 16:30 — Improving Client Experience While Lowering Costs 18:00 — Building a Repeatable Event System 19:30 — Why Breakdowns Often Precede Breakthroughs RESOURCES: Pre-order Your Copy of The Miracle Hour Book and learn Kelly's simple system to generate daily sales in your business in just one hour a day (plus, get up to $25K+ in added VIP bonuses when you purchase 5 copies or more!) https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/ Join our next Legacy Leaders Retreat happening August 31st-September 1st in Boca Raton, FL: https://join.thebusinessadvisory.com/legacyexperiencesept  Subscribe to Kelly's Substack newsletter: https://kellyroachofficial.substack.com/subscribe Follow Kelly on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kellyroachofficial/ Follow Kelly on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kelly.roach.520/ Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyroachint/

In today's episode, Kelly pulls back the curtain on how I'm approaching the launch of The Miracle Hour completely differently than any launch she's done before. Instead of treating this as just another book release, Kelly is using this launch as a strategic rehearsal for an even bigger vision. She breaks down five key ways this launch is different and why the strategy behind it matters not just for authors, but for any entrepreneur building influence, community, and long-term brand equity. From grassroots bulk buy campaigns to a live launch day experience, Kelly shares the thinking behind the strategy, and why the Miracle Hour philosophy is guiding the launch itself. You'll also hear why this book matters so much right now. In an era dominated by algorithms, automation, and AI, the Miracle Hour offers a relationship-driven system for daily sales that helps business owners break founder dependency, build predictable revenue, and reclaim their freedom. If you've ever wondered how successful entrepreneurs think about launching books, building movements, or activating their communities, this episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look. And if you want to be part of the Miracle Hour movement, Kelly shares how you can get involved: including opportunities to attend the live launch experience on April 29th. Timestamps:  01:05 — The strategic shift behind the Miracle Hour book launch. 03:50 — What the Miracle Hour Actually Is 06:30 — The Internal Goal: Selling 10,000 Copies 07:00 — The Power of Bulk Buys 09:30 — Targeted Relationship Lists 10:45 — Using this launch as a rehearsal for traditional publishing success. 11:45 — The Bestseller Lists We're Aiming For 13:15 —Why this launch is becoming a transformational event instead of a party. 17:40 — Using the system itself to drive book sales and community engagement. 20:00 — How to Join the Miracle Hour Movement Resources: Grab your copy of The Miracle Hour book or gift copies in bulk to unlock tens of thousands of dollars in added bonuses: https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/the-miracle-hour-bulk-buys  Join the Street Team and Help Us Spread The Word: https://www.themiraclehourbook.com/join   

While most entrepreneurs chase the next shiny object, they are glazing right past one of the most powerful growth strategies: referral marketing. In this episode, Kelly continues the Analog in an AI Era series with part two of the conversation on building a million dollar referral pipeline. The truth is, it does not take hundreds of clients to make a million dollar leap in your business. In fact, for many mid to high ticket offers, just a handful of high quality referrals can completely transform your revenue. In this episode, Kelly walks you through the exact steps to activate a powerful referral pipeline by identifying your top centers of influence, creating clear incentives for partners, and building a simple campaign that makes referring easy. You'll also learn how referral marketing can be systemized inside your business so that anyone on your team can generate revenue, even in just one hour a day. If you're looking for a simple, relationship-driven way to scale your business in today's rapidly changing landscape, this episode will show you how to leverage the most overlooked strategy for predictable growth. You'll learn: How to identify your top 10 centers of influence for referrals Why referral partners are motivated by more than just financial rewards How to create a simple referral campaign with multiple touchpoints Ways to make your business easy and natural for others to refer How referral marketing can be delegated inside your company to break founder dependency Resources:  Get on the Miracle Hour early listener's lst to be one of the first to listen to the audiobook: https://api.leadconnectorhq.com/widget/form/u3RyaGPFchNEHdnSf4lD  Pre-Order Your Physical Copy of The Miracle Hour Book: Buy in bulk and get tens of thousands of dollars in extra bonuses: https://themiraclehourbook.com  Subscribe to Kelly's Substack as a free, paid, or founding member: https://kellyroachofficial.substack.com/subscribe  Follow Kelly on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kellyroachofficial/  Follow Kelly on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kelly.roach.520/  Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyroachint/