0203 | This is just the beginning

Wherein we blow up the entire investigation...Halfway through writing this episode, something happened. An article, a map, and an IM chat changed the way we've been viewing this entire exploration and all of our research. There was a feeling we couldn't shake. The deeper we looked, the more questions we had. And we realized that this whole thing was bigger; so much bigger than we ever oculd have imagined. And so, we pressed pause and bounced into action. There is so much more to this story. 

Steven Lorenzo's residential history leads Josh to Fort Lauderdale, where three gay men disappeared from the same apartment building sixteen years apart. Updates in one of those cases seem to make Lorenzo a very strong suspect. But where was Scott Schweickert, and is it possible the pair continued killing following the murders of Jason Galehouse and Michael Wachholtz? Plus, two other Florida serial killers targeting gay men complicate the investigation.This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Resources: Florida State UniversityNAMUSThe Charley ProjectAmerican Addiction CentersPink NewsAmFarThe National Library of MedicineThe Florida Department of CorrectionsNews-Press.comCharlotte County Sheriff's OfficeThis is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi  For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand  Music by: Yehezkel Raz, Stanley Gurvich, and Benjamin Esterlis  Featured music by: Choir Boy Patreon Producers: Amy Basil, Dale Akstin, Kendall C, Amelia Hancock, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton Whedon, Jen J, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Manolis Bouloukos, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Pink, Robin Wolfe, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesday Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Bethany Heintz, Carrie, Emily Paine, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Kate Lussier, Kathy Nation, Megan Inman, Rene LaPlante, Sabrina Abbot, Spooky, Tori Myers

In the second season premiere, Josh digs into two years’ of research into the lives and crimes of Steven Lorenzo and Scott Schweickert, in hopes of identifying other victims. A list of 25 missing and murdered men, across multiple jursidctions, launches a deep-dive investigation that examines the lives of these 25 men, Lorenzo & Schweickert, other area serial killers, intersectionality, homophobia, politics, and more. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Featuring: Albert Perkins Resources: NAMUS.gov CharleyProject.org The Tampa Bay Times The Tampa Tribune This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi  For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand  Music by: Tamuz Dekel, Grissly Bill, and Yehezkel Raz  Featured music by: TV on the Radio  Patreon Producers: Amy Basil, Dale Akstin, Kendall C, Amelia Hancock, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton Whedon, Jen J, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Manolis Bouloukos, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Pink, Robin Wolfe, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesday Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Bethany Heintz, Carrie, Emily Paine, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Kate Lussier, Kathy Nation, Megan Inman, Rene LaPlante, Sabrina Abbot, Spooky, Tori Myers

Unsafe Spaces returns on April 24. This season, we continue our investigation into Steven Lorenzo and Scott Schweickert, and the missing and murdered men who may be connected to them. Our investigation takes us across the state of Florida, and into Georgia, Illinois, New York and beyond; and we find it intersects with several other serial killers who were targeting similar victims. Over six episodes, we try to make sense of these men, their crimes, and the 25+ missing and dead men who could be connected to them.Written, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. Featuring: Albert Perkins and Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential)Music by: Neon Ridge

Season finale. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Featuring: Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences Albert Perkins Resources: Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr.How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan JanssenThe New York TimesThe Harvard Political ReviewThe National Institutes for HealthThe National Institues for HealthThe American Psychological AssociationThe Harvard University PressThe HillThe Trevor ProjectThe Human Rights CampaignThis is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandMusic by: Adi Goldstein Featured music by: Frank Ocean

Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond).This month's news:• New tours and events • Unsafe Spaces update • The Karen & Ellen Letters update • True Crime Bullsh** update • New projects • Our Americana update • Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party follow-up in The Berkshires this October • What's happening on Patreon this month Links: • True Crime Podcast Festival, use promo code JOSH for 15% off • Studio BOTH/AND Patreon

To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible. Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more. Next episode: 1 February 2024 This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark Featuring: Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandMusic by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam Featured music by: Perfume Genius

At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost?Because by some accounts, investigators and the prosecution were as hard on the survivors as they were Lorenzo himself.Next episode: 25 January 2024This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh HallmarkResources: Fox 13 Tampa Bay: https://www.fox13news.com/news/nothing-behind-his-eyes-his-face-was-contorted-victim-of-steven-lorenzo-woke-up-panickedThe Tampa Bay Times: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/01/28/defiant-lorenzo-gets-200-years/The Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect: https://www.netflix.com/title/81288561Featuring:Albert PerkinsThis is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandMusic by: Circles, Field, Yehezkel Raz, and AhimsaFeatured music by: Rufus Wainwright

Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing. Unsafe Spaces is on a mid-season break, and will return on January 4. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark With additional research by: Kaz Featuring: • Dr. Scott from LA Not So Confidential • Drew Mackie from Gayest Episode Ever This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandMusic by: Evolving Scapes, Grisly Bill, Light in the Shadow, Hynogogia, Yehezkel Raz, and Yotam Agam Featured music by: Chris Garneau

Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated.This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark With additional research by: Kaz Audio editing by Darron Wood (The Defense Diaries podcast) This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandResources include: • The Charlie Project • NAMUS • The Tampa Bay Times: Which one is the real Scott? • Newspapers.com • CNN.com• Equity Florida Action, IncMusic by: Yehezkel Rez, Circles, The Bows, Spiriturn, and Colour Book Featured music by: Owen Pallett