Retrospective 5: Kelly and The Pandemic

Season 8 launches on October 5 and dives into Keyes's upbringing, life, and connections in Washington state and how they impacted and defined Keyes's crimes across the country. We look at new cases, follow-up on past cases, and get into the woods looking for caches and interviewing more people from Keyes's life. PATREONwww.patreon.com/studiobothandTROVA TRIP to Sloveniahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/slovenia/slovenia-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2027TROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Coveron: Coveron.com/TCB with code TCB for 20% off (for the first 100 users). • Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off.  • Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns.  • BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In Retrospective 5, Josh discusses how a family loss created massive life changes during the creation of TCB season 2. And how the pandemic and Kelly Cochran led to some massive podcast changes, gambles, and fears. 10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Sloveniahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/slovenia/slovenia-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2027TROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026PATREONwww.patreon.com/studiobothandSPONSORS• Coveron: Coveron.com/TCB with code TCB for 20% off (for the first 100 users). • Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off.  • Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns.  • BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In this interview:• The FBI discuss Keyes's competency and psych evals• Keyes details the creation of his silencer• Keyes discusses various accounts of stalking• Keyes shares his grand plan and dreams of doing something big10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Sloveniahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/slovenia/slovenia-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2027TROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Coveron: Coveron.com/TCB with code TCB for 20% off (for the first 100 users)• Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns.  • BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order. • Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off.  Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In this interview:• Keyes tells the FBI about a New York homicide• Keyes details the Tupper Lake bank robbery• Keyes talks about other active areas in New England• The FBI finds out about the boat10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns.  • BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order. • Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off.  Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In this interview:• The FBI detail their four part plan to negotiate their needs and Keyes's• Keyes accidentally hints at several details surrounding his unknown crimes• Keyes grapples with media attention• Keyes starts to spill10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns.  • BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order. • Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off.  Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In this interview:• The FBI goes over items seized from Spurr Lane and Constable• Keyes's early years in Neah Bay• Keyes's early crimes in Colville• Keyes's various watercraft and how he used them in crimes• Keyes's using friends as unwitting accomplices• The Washington state caches• Julie Harris• and more10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off. • BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order.   Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In Retrospective 4, Josh discusses how massive life changes coalesced with the creation of the first season of TCB. How he isolated himself entirely to both heal and get into the head-spaces of the people he'd spent so much time researching and writing about. Plus, what went into creating the season one finale.10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns with code TCBS.• BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In Retrospective 3, Josh discusses how 24 harrowing hours changed his life and the course of True Crime Bullsh**. He discusses how an incident re-shaped his vision for the first episode of the podcast, and his view on true crime and its darkness. Plus, the impact of that first episode on listeners, and the impact of those listeners on Josh.10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off.  • Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns with code TCBS.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

Aaron Habel, of Generation Why, has just launched the third season of his long-form investigative podcast Framed. In this season, Aaron looks into the death of Clair County Community College student Scott Macklem as well as the man convicted of his murder, Frederick Freeman. Was Frederick actually responsible for the death of Scott Macklem? Was their sufficient evidence at trial? And what actually happened to Scott? Check out Framed now, wherever you listen to podcasts.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

In this interview, Keyes meets with Detective Murtie from Essex PD to discuss the Currier's double-murder. He also offers insights into his strategies, his home abductions, his MO, his time in Vermont, and more.10th Anniversary Retreathttps://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebrationTROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islandshttps://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027TROVA TRIP to Costa Ricahttps://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026SPONSORS• Boll & Branch: BollAndBranch.com/truecrimebs for 20% off.  • Quince: Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 356-day returns.  • BetterHelp: BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month.  • Schedule35: Schedule35.co with promo code TCBS for 15% off your first order.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.