Hour 3 - Is Xi Capable of Mercy?

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck lead with President Donald Trump’s White House meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, examining the stakes of the U.S.-China relationship and what they describe as one of America’s most consequential foreign-policy challenges. They discuss China, Taiwan, U.S. arms sales, trade and tariffs, artificial intelligence, fentanyl precursors, military-to-military communications, Iran, and the Russia-Ukraine war as potential issues surrounding the talks. The hosts place particular emphasis on the accelerating U.S.-China AI race, arguing that maintaining American leadership in artificial intelligence, data centers, energy production, and advanced technology is essential to national security. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck dive deep into President Donald Trump’s meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, U.S.-China relations, Taiwan, artificial intelligence, trade, fentanyl, Iran, and national security with China expert and former White House national security official Stephen Yates. Yates assesses Trump’s diplomatic approach to Xi and argues that Washington should remain skeptical about promises from the Chinese Communist Party. The conversation covers the wide range of issues confronting the United States and China, including AI competition, energy, Russia, Iran, fentanyl trafficking, global supply chains, and Taiwan security. Clay also raises the imprisonment of Hong Kong pro-democracy advocate Jimmy Lai, with Yates describing Lai’s detention as a test of Xi’s willingness to show mercy and arguing that Trump should press for his release. Turning to Taiwan, Yates discusses Beijing’s desire for the United States to halt arms sales to the island and makes the case for continuing to provide Taiwan with the means to defend itself. The discussion also examines whether the possibility of Chinese military action against Taiwan is increasing, with Yates describing the situation as a holding pattern marked by continued Chinese coercion against Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines while suggesting internal changes within China’s military could push the most dangerous period farther into the future. A major portion of Hour 2 centers on mortgage rates, Treasury yields, the national debt, inflation, housing affordability, and the cost of borrowing. Clay reacts to mortgage rates moving above 7% and discusses a 10-year U.S. Treasury yield of roughly 5.15%, raising the question of whether the country’s approximately $40 trillion national debt could produce a prolonged era of higher borrowing costs. Clay and Buck discuss the mounting cost of servicing federal debt and the danger they see if interest payments increasingly compete with or surpass national defense spending. They connect today’s economic pressures to the inflation and high-interest-rate environment of the late 1970s and early 1980s, including a caller who recalls paying mortgage rates in the double digits before rates eventually declined. The hosts compare Joe Biden’s presidency with Jimmy Carter’s, while Buck also argues that pandemic-era economic shutdowns and government payments contributed to subsequent inflationary pressures. They additionally question proposals for large direct government payments, arguing that injecting more money into the economy could itself be inflationary. Clay and Buck welcome Travis Hall, a former Special Forces military working dog handler and founder of Second Chance K9 Service Dogs, for a conversation connected to the Brad Pitt film Heart of the Beast. Hall recounts his real-life experience deploying to Iraq with his military working dog, Bear, and explains how elite military dogs assist Special Operations forces through explosives detection, tracking, and apprehension. He describes the intense bond between a military canine and its handler, the dogs’ intelligence and specialized training, and how a working dog can dramatically expand a Special Forces team’s capabilities in combat. Hall also explains the use of breeds including Belgian Malinois, German Shepherds, Dutch Shepherds, and Labrador Retrievers, the extensive training involved for both handlers and dogs, and the circumstances under which injured military dogs can receive titanium replacement teeth. Drawing on four deployments with Bear, Hall praises the film for portraying important elements of the relationship between Special Operations personnel and their canine partners. He also discusses being invited to the Tennessee premiere and the importance of telling stories about Global War on Terror veterans, Green Berets, Navy SEALs, military working dogs, and the veteran community as that generation grows older. Make sure you never miss a second of the show by subscribing to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show podcast wherever you get your podcasts! ihr.fm/3InlkL8   For the latest updates from Clay & Buck, visit our website https://www.clayandbuck.com/   Connect with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton:  X - https://x.com/clayandbuck FB - https://www.facebook.com/ClayandBuck/ IG - https://www.instagram.com/clayandbuck/ YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/ClayandBuck TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clayandbuck Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck lead with President Donald Trump’s White House meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, examining the stakes of the U.S.-China relationship and what they describe as one of America’s most consequential foreign-policy challenges. They discuss China, Taiwan, U.S. arms sales, trade and tariffs, artificial intelligence, fentanyl precursors, military-to-military communications, Iran, and the Russia-Ukraine war as potential issues surrounding the talks. The hosts place particular emphasis on the accelerating U.S.-China AI race, arguing that maintaining American leadership in artificial intelligence, data centers, energy production, and advanced technology is essential to national security. They cite polling about higher AI adoption and trust among Chinese citizens and discuss allegations of Chinese online influence campaigns targeting American attitudes toward AI, data centers, energy costs, and tariffs. Clay and Buck compare the competition for AI dominance to the nuclear arms race and the Cold War, with callers extending the analogy to the Manhattan Project, J. Robert Oppenheimer, Harry Truman, and America’s race against Nazi Germany to develop the atomic bomb. The discussion also expands into climate policy and the Paris Climate Agreement, as the hosts contrast U.S. and Western environmental restrictions with China’s energy strategy and debate whether fears surrounding AI could similarly lead the United States to restrain itself while geopolitical competitors continue advancing. Later in Hour 1, Clay and Buck pivot to the news media after CNN and MSNBC regained access to the White House grounds following a judge’s order, criticizing the amount of coverage the networks devoted to their own press access while Trump and Xi were meeting. They debate the modern value of White House press access and access journalism, arguing that presidents, politicians, sports teams, and other public figures can now communicate directly with audiences through social media and other digital platforms instead of relying primarily on traditional reporters as intermediaries. A clip featuring Karoline Leavitt and Sean Hannity prompts a broader discussion of anonymous sourcing, alleged media bias, Washington journalism, and the relationship between reporters and presidential administrations. Clay and Buck contend that dependence on continued access can make reporters less willing to challenge the officials or institutions they cover, drawing comparisons to sports journalism and discussing media coverage of the Obama and Biden administrations. They also revisit questions surrounding journalists’ coverage of Joe Biden’s health and fitness for office, using that debate to question whether physical proximity to the White House necessarily produces better reporting. The first hour also briefly previews new battleground-state polling and an Alaska U.S. Senate race involving Republican Senator Dan Sullivan, including reports about complaints and leaked communications from staffers connected to his Democratic opponent. That exchange develops into a joking discussion about differences between Democratic and Republican Capitol Hill staffers before turning briefly to the Lindsay Clancy case and the hosts’ concerns about how mental-health or temporary-insanity arguments could affect criminal responsibility in future cases. Make sure you never miss a second of the show by subscribing to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show podcast wherever you get your podcasts! ihr.fm/3InlkL8   For the latest updates from Clay & Buck, visit our website https://www.clayandbuck.com/   Connect with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton:  X - https://x.com/clayandbuck FB - https://www.facebook.com/ClayandBuck/ IG - https://www.instagram.com/clayandbuck/ YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/ClayandBuck TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clayandbuck   Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck examine the rapidly changing worlds of artificial intelligence, political media, the 2026 midterm elections, interest rates, the housing market, and the U.S. economy. The hour opens with a discussion of CNN and MSNBC regaining access to the White House, which leads to a broader debate over the future of journalism in the AI era. Clay and Buck question how artificial intelligence could disrupt traditional news organizations, wire services, political commentary, and even talk radio, before turning to the growing challenge of AI-generated political deepfakes. Looking ahead to the 2028 presidential election, they predict increasingly realistic fake videos could make it difficult for voters to distinguish authentic footage from fabricated content. They also consider the flip side of deepfake technology, where politicians caught on legitimate video could dismiss genuine evidence as AI-generated. The hosts argue that this environment could make political rallies, live events, firsthand experiences, and footage from multiple camera angles increasingly important as voters search for ways to establish authenticity. The political focus then shifts to new 2026 election polling in Maine, Michigan, New Hampshire, Texas, and Florida. Clay and Buck analyze polling showing Susan Collins leading Troy Jackson in the Maine Senate race, noting Collins’ history of outperforming polls. In Michigan, they focus extensively on the Senate contest between Mike Rogers and Abdul El-Sayed, particularly El-Sayed’s overwhelming support among voters under 30 compared with Rogers’ strength among older voters. The hosts discuss whether young voters will turn out in sufficient numbers, referencing Zohran Mamdani’s success mobilizing younger voters in New York City, while also examining El-Sayed’s performance among Black voters and the possible effect of Republican gubernatorial candidate John James on GOP turnout. Clay argues that James could potentially strengthen the Republican ticket, while Buck focuses on economic affordability, gas prices, mortgage rates, rent, and other kitchen-table concerns that could influence Michigan swing voters. They also discuss criticism surrounding El-Sayed’s association with Hasan Piker, as well as the limits of ideological attacks when voters are primarily concerned about economic conditions. Clay and Buck also assess New Hampshire politics, where they see the Sununu family name and strong local political identity as potential advantages for the Republican candidate, and they discuss prediction markets as an imperfect guide to elections. Clay points to previous races where overwhelming favorites nearly lost or were defeated, arguing that long-shot betting odds should not be interpreted as certainty. The conversation extends to the Texas Senate race, where the hosts express concern about Republican prospects against James Talarico and urge Texas conservatives not to take the state’s Republican advantage for granted. Later, they turn to Florida polling, discussing a Stetson University survey showing Byron Donalds with a double-digit advantage over David Jolly in the governor’s race and Ashley Moody with a double-digit advantage over Angie Nixon in the Senate contest. Buck and Clay argue that Florida remains a major Republican stronghold and discuss Jay Collins’ endorsement of Byron Donalds and the competitive comparison between Florida and Texas as leading red states. A major portion of Hour 2 centers on mortgage rates, Treasury yields, the national debt, inflation, housing affordability, and the cost of borrowing. Clay reacts to mortgage rates moving above 7% and discusses a 10-year U.S. Treasury yield of roughly 5.15%, raising the question of whether the country’s approximately $40 trillion national debt could produce a prolonged era of higher borrowing costs. Clay and Buck discuss the mounting cost of servicing federal debt and the danger they see if interest payments increasingly compete with or surpass national defense spending. They connect today’s economic pressures to the inflation and high-interest-rate environment of the late 1970s and early 1980s, including a caller who recalls paying mortgage rates in the double digits before rates eventually declined. The hosts compare Joe Biden’s presidency with Jimmy Carter’s, while Buck also argues that pandemic-era economic shutdowns and government payments contributed to subsequent inflationary pressures. They additionally question proposals for large direct government payments, arguing that injecting more money into the economy could itself be inflationary. The housing discussion expands into the structural problems facing the U.S. real estate market. Clay and Buck explain the mortgage-rate “lock-in” effect, in which homeowners with mortgages around 2.5% to 3% have little incentive to sell and replace those loans with mortgages carrying rates closer to 7%, reducing available housing inventory. They discuss the nationwide median home price, the challenges facing younger and first-time homebuyers, down-payment requirements, credit standards, and lessons from the subprime mortgage era. Callers add competing perspectives, with one arguing that larger down payments and greater personal savings could reduce excess housing demand, while a realtor and investor stresses that today’s affordability problem reflects the combination of much higher home prices and elevated interest rates. The conversation also touches on property taxes and local mill rates, before Clay concludes that America fundamentally needs more housing supply, especially in major metropolitan areas. He identifies restrictive zoning rules, building codes, permitting requirements, and barriers to new construction, citing San Francisco as an example and suggesting housing supply and affordability could become major political issues in the 2028 election cycle. Make sure you never miss a second of the show by subscribing to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show podcast wherever you get your podcasts! ihr.fm/3InlkL8   For the latest updates from Clay & Buck, visit our website https://www.clayandbuck.com/   Connect with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton:  X - https://x.com/clayandbuck FB - https://www.facebook.com/ClayandBuck/ IG - https://www.instagram.com/clayandbuck/ YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/ClayandBuck TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clayandbuck Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay and Buck dive deep into President Donald Trump’s meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, U.S.-China relations, Taiwan, artificial intelligence, trade, fentanyl, Iran, and national security with China expert and former White House national security official Stephen Yates. Yates assesses Trump’s diplomatic approach to Xi and argues that Washington should remain skeptical about promises from the Chinese Communist Party. The conversation covers the wide range of issues confronting the United States and China, including AI competition, energy, Russia, Iran, fentanyl trafficking, global supply chains, and Taiwan security. Clay also raises the imprisonment of Hong Kong pro-democracy advocate Jimmy Lai, with Yates describing Lai’s detention as a test of Xi’s willingness to show mercy and arguing that Trump should press for his release. Turning to Taiwan, Yates discusses Beijing’s desire for the United States to halt arms sales to the island and makes the case for continuing to provide Taiwan with the means to defend itself. The discussion also examines whether the possibility of Chinese military action against Taiwan is increasing, with Yates describing the situation as a holding pattern marked by continued Chinese coercion against Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines while suggesting internal changes within China’s military could push the most dangerous period farther into the future. The Hour 3 China discussion also focuses heavily on the growing U.S.-China artificial intelligence race. Clay cites statistics discussed on the program showing dramatically higher AI adoption, enthusiasm, and trust among Chinese citizens than Americans, while Yates examines how China’s tightly controlled information environment and Communist Party censorship shape those attitudes. He points to the suppression of public knowledge about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre as an example of Beijing’s ability to control information and argues that the United States and other free societies cannot afford dependence on Chinese-controlled technology in strategically sensitive sectors. Yates ultimately makes the case for greater strategic decoupling from China in critical areas. On trade, the conversation addresses the effects of Trump’s tariffs on China, the recent trade truce, Chinese rare-earth leverage, American agricultural exports, aircraft purchases, and whether Beijing has fulfilled previous commitments. Yates argues that Trump should treat the current negotiations as part of an ongoing process and hold China accountable for commitments made during earlier talks rather than approaching the summit as an entirely new negotiation. Clay, Buck, and Yates then connect China policy to the conflict involving Iran, discussing Chinese purchases of Iranian energy, sanctions enforcement, China’s alleged assistance to Iran, global oil supplies, energy prices, and the economic consequences heading toward the midterm elections. Yates expresses concern over suggestions that Beijing could seek concessions on U.S. arms sales to Taiwan in return for helping broker an agreement involving Iran, which he views as an unacceptable trade-off. The conversation explores possible next steps for President Trump on Iran, including diplomacy or additional military pressure, while examining the role of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the political impact of elevated oil and gas prices. The interview concludes with a comparison between Taiwan and Cuba, including Beijing’s argument that American involvement with Taiwan can be viewed through a geographic lens similar to Chinese involvement near the United States. Yates rejects a simple equivalence, emphasizing Taiwan’s economic importance, technological capabilities, and capacity to contribute to its own defense, while also discussing possible future U.S. policy toward communist Cuba. Later in Hour 3, Clay and Buck welcome Travis Hall, a former Special Forces military working dog handler and founder of Second Chance K9 Service Dogs, for a conversation connected to the Brad Pitt film Heart of the Beast. Hall recounts his real-life experience deploying to Iraq with his military working dog, Bear, and explains how elite military dogs assist Special Operations forces through explosives detection, tracking, and apprehension. He describes the intense bond between a military canine and its handler, the dogs’ intelligence and specialized training, and how a working dog can dramatically expand a Special Forces team’s capabilities in combat. Hall also explains the use of breeds including Belgian Malinois, German Shepherds, Dutch Shepherds, and Labrador Retrievers, the extensive training involved for both handlers and dogs, and the circumstances under which injured military dogs can receive titanium replacement teeth. Drawing on four deployments with Bear, Hall praises the film for portraying important elements of the relationship between Special Operations personnel and their canine partners. He also discusses being invited to the Tennessee premiere and the importance of telling stories about Global War on Terror veterans, Green Berets, Navy SEALs, military working dogs, and the veteran community as that generation grows older. Hall also shares the story behind Second Chance K9 Service Dogs, explaining how adopting Bear after the dog’s military retirement helped inspire an organization focused on assisting Special Operations veterans dealing with PTSD and traumatic brain injury. The program works with shepherd breeds familiar to veterans from their deployments and seeks to recreate the teamwork, trust, and companionship service members experienced during their military careers. Hall also introduces Kuma, his rescued Belgian Malinois, and discusses the less serious side of living with these highly capable working breeds. The interview combines a behind-the-scenes look at military working dogs with a broader discussion of veterans’ mental health, PTSD service dogs, Special Forces culture, canine training, combat veterans, and the transition from military service to civilian life. Closing out Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, Clay returns to the Alaska Senate race and discusses a report about allegations from former staffers concerning the Democratic candidate challenging Republican Senator Dan Sullivan, including claims involving workplace conduct, private text messages, and alleged physical behavior toward a staff member. Clay and Buck debate the ethics of employees releasing private communications and broaden the conversation into whether voters still expect strong personal character from elected officials or increasingly judge politicians primarily by whether they deliver desired political outcomes. They then return to the economic issue of housing affordability, responding to a caller who argues that telling struggling younger Americans simply to “save more” fails to account for the cost-of-living pressures they face. Buck acknowledges the challenge confronting younger people who have not benefited from rising housing and financial markets, while Clay offers a more optimistic perspective, arguing that anxiety about buying a first home has confronted previous generations as well and encouraging younger listeners to focus on getting started financially rather than comparing themselves with people much further along in life. 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Rep. Thomas Massie has introduced eight articles of impeachment against the Defense Secretary, including charges centered on the war in Iran, but Speaker Mike Johnson ended the House session before the issue came to a vote. Now the battle is set to return when Congress reconvenes after the midterms. Buck breaks down why Democrats could seize on the Hegseth impeachment effort during the lame-duck session, what they're accusing him of, and why Hegseth has become such a major political target in Washington. Plus, Buck argues this fight could be only the beginning, with impeachment investigations and battles over the Trump administration potentially becoming a major focus if Democrats take control of the House. Never miss a moment from Buck by subscribing to the Buck Sexton Show Podcast on IHeart Radio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts!    Connect with Buck Sexton:Facebook –   / bucksexton  X –  @bucksexton  Instagram –   @bucksexton TikTok - @BuckSexton                                                                                   YouTube - @BuckSexton   Website – https://www.bucksexton.com/Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Normally, Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz celebrate the show’s two-year anniversary before diving into the biggest political, cultural, and education stories of the week. Mary Katharine and Karol discuss Nikole Hannah-Jones’ account of her daughter’s public-school experience, including their views on school choice, selective schools, testing, classroom discipline and accountability. Karol argues that many of the problems Hannah-Jones describes are connected to education policies she previously supported, while the hosts debate what the story says about the larger fight over public education. They also react to President Donald Trump’s appearance at the United Nations General Assembly, his comments about Iran, his meeting with New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani, the administration’s dispute with members of the White House press corps, and the arrival of Chinese President Xi Jinping. Plus, a Massachusetts bar faces backlash after making one night mask-optional, and Mary Katharine and Karol tackle the latest Gen Z etiquette debates: college freshmen quitting after only weeks on campus, bringing iced coffee to job interviews, and whether younger adults are getting enough practice navigating uncomfortable social situations.Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Best-selling author and three-time National Jewish Book Award winner Dara Horn joins Karol Markowicz to discuss her new book, The Final Solution to the Jewish Question: A Love Story for the Living, and what thousands of years of Jewish history can teach us about survival, courage and refusing to bow to tyranny. Horn explains why she sees Jewish civilization as a tradition built around questioning, dissent and individual agency—and why the Jewish people don't fit neatly into modern categories of religion, ethnicity or identity. She also discusses the rise of antisemitism since October 7, her experience serving on Harvard's antisemitism advisory group and the challenges Jewish students face on elite college campuses. Karol and Dara also examine whether institutions like Harvard can change, why Horn believes some traditional approaches to combating antisemitism have fallen short, and her efforts to educate students about Jewish history through the Tell Institute. Plus, Horn shares an optimistic prediction about the future of artificial intelligence and truth online—and explains why having the courage to speak up, even when doing so carries a social cost, can ultimately strengthen your integrity.Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Clay Travis breaks down a massive weekend of college football, starting with the news that President Donald Trump is expected to attend the highly anticipated Texas vs. Tennessee showdown in Knoxville. Clay explains why the matchup could become one of the biggest games of the season and gives his prediction, taking Tennessee to cover in what he expects to be a low-scoring battle against Arch Manning and the Longhorns. Clay also discusses the Protect College Sports Act, the potential impact of new federal rules on transfers and eligibility, and the growing influence of the SEC on college football television. After LSU-Ole Miss drew 10.9 million viewers, Clay examines why SEC games continue to generate massive audiences and what that means for the changing college football media landscape. Plus, Clay reacts to Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman publicly taking responsibility for his sideline behavior and uses it to discuss leadership, accountability and the idea that “we recruit our problems”—both in football and everyday life. Finally, Clay weighs in on The View’s discussion of Patrick and Lindsay Clancy and responds to criticism of Patrick Clancy following the deaths of the couple’s three children.Follow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show unpack the fallout from the Lindsay Clancy case, the debate over the insanity defense, and the reaction from The View to Patrick Clancy’s decision to divorce his wife after the deaths of their three children. Clay and Buck discuss continuing scrutiny surrounding the holdout juror in the Clancy case and Patrick Clancy’s recent 60 Minutes interview, before reacting to The View co-host Sara Haines, who questioned why Patrick’s marital love did not endure after his wife became mentally ill. Clay and Buck strongly reject that argument, contending that the killing of a spouse’s children represents an extraordinary and understandable reason for a marriage to end. The hosts broaden the conversation into questions of personal responsibility, mental illness, gender politics, feminism, public sympathy for defendants, and whether someone found not criminally responsible for killing children should ever be considered safe to return to ordinary society. They argue that the public discussion surrounding Lindsay Clancy reflects a troubling willingness among some commentators to prioritize sympathy for an accused or convicted offender over the victims of violent crime. The discussion then turns to Sunny Hostin and her revelation that, before attending law school, she served as the holdout juror in the Daniel Rakowitz “Butcher of Tompkins Square Park” case in New York City. Hostin recounts how she ultimately persuaded the jury to find Rakowitz not criminally responsible by reason of insanity, despite the gruesome circumstances surrounding the killing and dismemberment of his victim. Clay and Buck use Hostin’s account to examine what they see as fundamental problems with the legal standard for the insanity defense, particularly when a defendant takes deliberate actions after a killing that appear designed to conceal the crime. Their conversation encompasses identity politics, political differences between male and female voters, social-media culture, reactions to Luigi Mangione and Charlie Kirk, and a TikTok trend they say involves women discussing abortions after learning they are carrying boys, a subject they preview for a future conversation with Isabel Brown. Buck also invokes the history of European and American witch trials while discussing changing cultural attitudes toward women accused of harming children.   An extensive interview with author and commentator Peachy Keenan of The Spector, who joins Clay and Buck to discuss the continuing controversy surrounding the Lindsay Clancy case, Patrick Clancy’s divorce, and reaction from The View. Keenan criticizes the feminist arguments surrounding the case and contrasts The View’s questioning of Patrick Clancy’s decision to divorce his wife with what she describes as a broader culture that frequently encourages women to leave unhappy marriages. The discussion expands into marriage, divorce, feminism, gender politics, social media, true crime culture, criminal responsibility, mental illness, and online theories claiming Lindsay Clancy did not kill her children. Clay raises statistics about women initiating a large majority of divorces, prompting a broader debate about whether social and financial incentives surrounding divorce differ for men and women and how modern culture treats divorced women versus divorced men. Attorney and political commentator Katie Zacharia joins the program for a wide-ranging discussion of California politics, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris and the 2028 Democratic presidential primary. Zacharia reacts to Newsom telling Jake Tapper during a fly-fishing interview that he would not run for president if Harris enters the race, questioning whether Newsom may instead be positioning himself for another role or waiting to see how the Democratic field develops. The conversation examines the political relationship between Newsom and Harris, Newsom’s record as California governor, climate and energy policies, electric-vehicle mandates, electricity costs and the difficulty both California Democrats could face appealing to Middle America and key swing states. Zacharia also discusses Harris’s political activity in Michigan and her support for Abdul El-Sayed, while Clay and Buck examine Democratic fundraising, Harris’s expensive 2024 presidential campaign, potential donor enthusiasm and whether Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez could emerge as another national Democratic contender. 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Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show focuses heavily on the fallout from the Lindsay Clancy case, the debate over the insanity defense, and the reaction from The View to Patrick Clancy’s decision to divorce his wife after the deaths of their three children. Clay and Buck discuss continuing scrutiny surrounding the holdout juror in the Clancy case and Patrick Clancy’s recent 60 Minutes interview, before reacting to The View co-host Sara Haines, who questioned why Patrick’s marital love did not endure after his wife became mentally ill. Clay and Buck strongly reject that argument, contending that the killing of a spouse’s children represents an extraordinary and understandable reason for a marriage to end. The hosts broaden the conversation into questions of personal responsibility, mental illness, gender politics, feminism, public sympathy for defendants, and whether someone found not criminally responsible for killing children should ever be considered safe to return to ordinary society. They argue that the public discussion surrounding Lindsay Clancy reflects a troubling willingness among some commentators to prioritize sympathy for an accused or convicted offender over the victims of violent crime. The discussion then turns to Sunny Hostin and her revelation that, before attending law school, she served as the holdout juror in the Daniel Rakowitz “Butcher of Tompkins Square Park” case in New York City. Hostin recounts how she ultimately persuaded the jury to find Rakowitz not criminally responsible by reason of insanity, despite the gruesome circumstances surrounding the killing and dismemberment of his victim. Clay and Buck use Hostin’s account to examine what they see as fundamental problems with the legal standard for the insanity defense, particularly when a defendant takes deliberate actions after a killing that appear designed to conceal the crime. They question whether evidence of panic, concealment, or attempts to avoid detection can coexist with a claim that a defendant could not appreciate the wrongfulness of his actions. The hosts also compare the Rakowitz case with the continuing Lindsay Clancy debate, arguing that insanity defenses should face far greater skepticism, especially when children are victims. Hour 1 expands from these criminal cases into a larger debate about crime, punishment, accountability, progressive politics, gender differences, and American culture. Clay and Buck criticize what they characterize as a strain of progressive thinking that extends greater compassion toward perpetrators than victims, contrasting the views of people insulated from crime with those living in communities more directly affected by it. Their conversation encompasses identity politics, political differences between male and female voters, social-media culture, reactions to Luigi Mangione and Charlie Kirk, and a TikTok trend they say involves women discussing abortions after learning they are carrying boys, a subject they preview for a future conversation with Isabel Brown. Buck also invokes the history of European and American witch trials while discussing changing cultural attitudes toward women accused of harming children. A caller raises a gender-reversal hypothetical involving Patrick and Lindsay Clancy, prompting Clay and Buck to ask how the legal system and media would respond if a father had killed his three children, or if a grieving father violently retaliated after discovering his children had been murdered. From there, they compare temporary insanity and PTSD defenses, argue that functioning in society should generally carry an expectation of criminal responsibility, and debate whether mental illness should excuse particularly horrific crimes against children. The conversation concludes with a broader discussion of the death penalty, including cases where there is video evidence identifying the perpetrator, Buck’s evolving support for capital punishment despite his Catholic faith, and a brief discussion of The Green Mile and its anti-death-penalty themes.   Make sure you never miss a second of the show by subscribing to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton show podcast wherever you get your podcasts! ihr.fm/3InlkL8   For the latest updates from Clay & Buck, visit our website https://www.clayandbuck.com/   Connect with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton:  X - https://x.com/clayandbuck FB - https://www.facebook.com/ClayandBuck/ IG - https://www.instagram.com/clayandbuck/ YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuck Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/ClayandBuck TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clayandbuckFollow Clay & Buck on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/clayandbuckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.