This Artist-Run Record Label is Competing with the Majors in a Big Way

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Michael Turner, founder of the disruptive record label Rebellion. Turner shares how he’s building a modern music company by leveraging viral marketing, short-form video, and niche communities to help independent artists break through without relying on traditional gatekeepers.In this episode, Turner breaks down how viral hits are engineered through tastemaker networks and micro-influencers, how artists track fan conversion across platforms, and why touring and deal structures are evolving outside the traditional label system. They also discuss royalties, distribution, and AI-generated music—and why Turner believes we’re entering a golden era for those independent artists willing to adapt.https://www.instagram.com/iamplvtinum/https://www.instagram.com/rebellionrecordsnyc/Chapters00:00 - From Artist to Rebellion Founder05:48 - Early Spotify Virality & Indie Strategy08:17 - From Algorithms to TikTok Discovery13:32 - Engineering Viral Campaigns18:38 - Metrics That Matter Beyond Streams21:36 - Turning Virality Into Ticket Sales24:13 - New Touring Models for Indie Artists34:04 - Building the Modern Indie Ecosystem43:01 - AI’s Impact on the Music Industry48:32 - Signing Artists in the Indie EraEdited and mixed by Ari Davids-ErgasMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Brian Hobbs and Dev Sherlock from South by Southwest (SXSW). Brian, VP of Music, has been at SXSW since 2012, helping shape the festival’s music programming and expand its sound, especially in hip hop and global scenes. Dev is the Director of Music at the festival. He plays a key role in building the lineup and working directly with artists, managers, and industry teams navigating the SXSW landscape.In this episode, we break down what SXSW actually is, and whether it makes sense for you and your career. Dev and Brian discuss how this year is massively different than years past, what the real purpose of “South By” is, and how to approach it with a smart strategy (instead of just showing up and hoping for the best). We get real about networking—what that actually looks like at SXSW—and how artists, managers, and other industry folks can make the most of their experience. For those thinking about applying to official showcases, Brian and Dev walk through the submission process, and what their team is really looking for when they book artists. If you’re going to SXSW (or even thinking about it) listen to this episode first.https://sxsw.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-hobbs-155759164/ Chapters00:00 Introduction to South by Southwest02:14 Changes in the Festival Structure05:43 The Overlap of Music and Tech08:46 The Role of Live Music Discovery11:22 Business Opportunities at South by Southwest19:05 Navigating Official and Unofficial Showcases23:18 Monetizing Opportunities for Artists27:58 The Global Impact of the Irish Diaspora29:48 Travel Concerns for International Artists30:41 Booking Artists for South by Southwest34:55 The Application Process Explained37:57 The Fluid Nature of Artist Bookings41:42 Understanding Compensation Models43:52 The Conference Experience at South by Southwest45:52 Networking Tips for Artists50:57 Defining Success in the Music IndustryEdited and mixed by Ari Davids-ErgasMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Aaron Greene and Neal O’Connor of Slush Management, the artist-first team behind Porter Robinson, Eden, Jai Wolf, and more. Slush has helped their artists generate billions of streams, sell millions of tickets, and craft long-term careers rooted in creativity rather than quick wins. With 15 years of experience across touring, branding, and global fan development, they’ve become leaders in sustainable artist strategy and innovative experiential storytelling.In this episode, Ari Neal and Aaron dive into what modern artist development truly looks like. From building immersive worlds to cultivating real, lasting fan communities beyond vanity metrics, Neal and Aaron share how managers decide when an artist is ready for representation, why social media isn’t the only path to growth, and how long-term strategy beats short-term virality every time. The conversation also covers label paths (self-release, indie, major), when to tour, how support slots actually happen, and the importance of meaningful experiences. Hint: music videos might be more important than most folks realize. https://www.instagram.com/slushmgmt/05:58 – What “world-building” means for modern artists08:12 – How Porter Robinson developed his immersive universe12:00 – Building an entire festival world with Disney-level partners16:00 – Artist development: when an artist is ready for management18:20 – Why immediacy is a trap & long-term growth matters20:35 – Deepening 100 true fans vs. chasing viral moments27:45 – Majors vs. indies vs. self-releasing: what actually works31:55 – The real purpose of music videos in 202536:50 – Touring strategy: when to headline, when to support39:20 – How artists actually get support slots42:55 – What “making it” means in the new music businessEdited and mixed by Peter SchruppMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business, Ari sits down with powerhouse managers Gordan Dillard and Josh Kaplan, the team behind global superstar Doja Cat. Together, they break down how they helped build one of the most influential, multi-hyphenate artists of the decade. Gordan and Josh share early viral moments of Doja Cat's diversified empire spanning music, brand partnerships, and new business ventures.Other topics discussed here include: how features really work, how producers differ from beatmakers, what modern record deals look like at the highest level, and why short-form content has completely reshaped the career-building playbook. Gordan and Josh offer candid, unfiltered advice for emerging artists and managers on finding the right partnership, building a fanbase from scratch, and creating leverage in today’s industry.https://www.instagram.com/dojacat/https://www.agood-day.com/04:16 – Why Good Day Management only represents one artist07:19 – Diversifying Doja Cat’s revenue beyond music10:18 – How Gordon & Josh first joined Doja’s team15:40 – The “Juicy” era and early visual strategy17:31 – Doja Cat’s rise during the pandemic20:42 – Long-form videos vs short-form content today24:54 – Balancing artists’ vision with budget and label support29:10 – How label deals and funding have evolved36:28 – How features actually get made (creatively & financially)44:25 – Beatmakers vs producers: what’s the difference?48:37 – Why songs sometimes have 7 writers & 6 producers58:54 – Advice for emerging artists & managers todayEdited and mixed by Peter SchruppMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Tema Siegel and Zach Blankstein of the band Couch. Tema is the singer and Zach is the guitarist/manager of this seven-piece soul-pop band from Boston. Their explosive live shows and fully DIY approach have helped them sell out major venues across the country. Formed from lifelong friendships and built during the pandemic, Couch has grown into a globally touring act while self-producing their acclaimed debut album 'Big Talk'.In this episode, Tema and Zach break down how they built an engaged fanbase without label support, the logistics of touring as a seven-member group, and the creative and vulnerable writing process behind 'Big Talk'. Ari dives into their ad strategy, their partnership with the Salt Lick Incubator, how they secured major support tours with Lake Street Dive and Cory Wong, and what it takes to balance musicianship, management, and sustainable growth as an independent band in 2025. http://instagram.com/couch.theband07:16 – Adding the seventh member & early chemistry09:15 – Touring as an introvert and finding group balance12:19 – Managing a 12-person touring party16:34 – How fans are reacting to the new songs live18:22 – How the band uses VIP sections to build superfans19:40 – Collaborative songwriting process & Temma’s Notes app22:19 – “Middleman” and the band’s unexpected EDM influence26:22 – Self-producing the entire album & working with mixers27:15 – Living in Boston and breaking out beyond the local scene32:56 – Growing during the pandemic while in separate cities36:32 – Early viral video & their online strategy40:07 – How Couch finances the band with day jobs41:24 – Why Zach became their in-house manager55:52 – Opening for Cory Wong & Lake Street Dive58:44 – Deep dive into their ad strategyEdited and mixed by Peter SchruppMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari hops on for a solo episode to talk about Brassroots District—a decade-long passion project fusing immersive theater, hard-grooving funk, and 1970s world-building. He shares how the project grew from DIY LA shows into a scripted parking-lot production during COVID, and how it’s finally taking over a premier LA venue. If you're in LA, come catch Brassroots District LA ’74, opening February 7th at Catch One in Koreatown. Check out the trailer and grab your tickets here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Bay Area rapper, LaRussell. Known for his backyard shows, revolutionary ticketing and release practices, and motivational freestyling, LaRussell has become a blueprint for modern DIY artistry. His business, Good Compenny, is a multi-media brand that puts on shows, sells merch, and empowers independent artists.In this episode, Ari and LaRussell discuss when and why it’s important to stay independent as an artist. LaRussell tells Ari how he continues to find joy in making music, even after releasing over 700 songs. He also breaks down his offer-based ticketing model—a game-changing approach that could change the entire live concert industry. Tune in to hear LaRussell’s secrets to community-building, his artistic approach to social media, and loads of inspiration heading into 2026.https://www.instagram.com/larussell06:20 – LaRussell explains “out the trunk” direct bookings08:10 – Origin of the backyard concerts12:21 – Full backyard experience (hospitality, free food, bounce house)16:45 – How offer-based ticketing works (“What is this worth to you?”)18:23 – His $1,000 birthday show that made $250K20:12 – Full breakdown of all revenue streams27:02 – Why he stays independent + label philosophy43:48 – What “Good Compenny” really is (a community)54:38 – Spending $120K on ads to make $800K back01:02:01 – Full-circle moment: how the book changed his lifeEdited and mixed by Peter SchruppMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business Podcast, Ari sits down with recent GRAMMY Award winners Matt B and Angela Benson. Matt B is a GRAMMY-winning R&B singer, songwriter, and global recording artist whose career spans over a decade. His most recent project, ‘Alkebulan II’, earned him and Angela a GRAMMY Award, following years of DIY artistry. Over the course of this album, Matt and Angela recorded across Africa, collaborated with artists like Eddie Kenzo and Oxlade, and worked with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra at Abbey Road Studios. As a label owner, producer on ‘Alkebulan II’, and longtime Recording Academy member, Angela has been instrumental in shaping Matt’s artistic direction, visual world-building, and global strategy.In this episode, Matt B and Angela Benson walk through their incredible DIY journey and how they found themselves on the GRAMMY-winning path. They discuss the challenges of writing and recording in multiple African languages, shooting a full visual album across multiple countries, and balancing the creative workload between artist and manager. The pair break down how independent artists can navigate the GRAMMY process, the importance of joining the Recording Academy, the role of networking and bartering in major creative endeavors, and most importantly, the communication and patience required to run a music career as a married team.https://www.instagram.com/mattbworldhttps://www.instagram.com/angelavbenson01:40 – Home Studio & Recent Travels02:10 – Returning to His Alma Mater After the Grammy Win03:00 – Life & Opportunities After Winning a Grammy04:15 – Performing in Uganda & Global Breakthrough Moments05:20 – Inception of the Akebulan Concept09:00 – Connecting With Oxlade & Eddie Kenzo11:00 – Creating the “Gimme Love” Music Video13:00 – Building a Full Visual Album DIY17:40 – Finding Producers & Collaborators Worldwide20:00 – Incorporating the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra30:00 – Navigating Grammy Nominations & Recording Academy Membership47:00 – Working as a Husband-and-Wife Artist/Manager TeamEdited and mixed by Peter SchruppMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Matt Jones, the CEO and co-founder of Medallion, a platform helping artists own their fan relationships and build new revenue models. Matt was previously CEO of Songkick, another direct-to-fan platform that was acquired by Warner Music Group. He’s now developing new economic models for artists to own their fan relationships.In this episode, Matt and Ari discuss the direct-to-fan experience and why it’s beneficial to give artists full ownership of their data. Matt explains why traditional models like Patreon and Substack don’t fit the creative rhythms of most musicians. They also dig into the shortcomings of streaming and the need for transparency in artist payments. Tune in to learn more about how major labels might adapt, what lessons can be learned from Bandcamp, and why the next decade of music will be defined by artist ownership and sustainability.https://medallion.app/0:00 - Intro10:45 – Why the term “superfan” has taken over the industry13:20 – The challenges artists face relying on third-party platforms15:50 – How Medallion lets artists own their data and build communities18:30 – Why streaming’s economic model is outdated and unsustainable21:50 – Why Patreon and Substack rarely work for most musicians24:15 – The three main artist revenue streams: live, recordings, and merch28:30 – How Bandcamp paved the way—but why it isn’t enough31:40 – Handling rights, licensing, and label relationships on Medallion38:00 – The future of transparency and fan-to-artist payment models49:50 – Why blockchain and NFTs weren’t the right fit for MedallionEdited and mixed by Peter SchruppMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with acclaimed pianist and composer, Chloe Flower. Born in Pennsylvania, Chloe began playing piano at age two, later studying at the Manhattan School of Music’s Precollege and London’s Royal Academy of Music. A classically trained pianist turned genre-bender, she calls her unique style “popsical” (a fusion of classical, pop, and hip-hop). She has collaborated with major artists like Céline Dion, Babyface, Nas, and Cardi B (whose 2019 GRAMMY performance she helped elevate). Beyond performing, Chloe is a passionate advocate for music education.In this episode, Ari and Chloe dive deep into Chloe’s artistic journey. They discuss everything from her rigorous classical training to the lessons she’s learned from merging two distinct musical worlds. In this episode, you’ll learn about label strategy, collaboration with big-name artists and producers, and maintaining authenticity while scaling. Chloe shares invaluable insights on building a personal brand (both musically and visually), empowering women in the industry, and how she sees the future of genre-fluid music.https://www.instagram.com/misschloeflower05:00 – The Holiday Album and Women Composers10:30 – Understanding Public Domain and Classical Music Rights15:45 – YouTube Covers, Metadata, and Going Independent19:00 – Meeting Babyface and Blending Genres25:00 – The Viral Grammy Performance with Cardi B29:30 – Evolving Sound and the Role of Collaboration33:00 – Running an Independent Label and Revenue Streams36:00 – Pros and Cons of Major vs. Indie Labels47:00 – Music Education and Inspiring the Next Generation54:00 – Performing with Orchestras and ConductorsEdited and mixed by Peter SchruppMusic by Brassroots DistrictProduced by the team at Ari’s TakeOrder the THIRD EDITION of How to Make It in the New Music Business: https://book.aristake.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.