Kwame Christian on Compassionate Curiosity: The Negotiation Framework That Ends People-Pleasing for Good

Most business owners think YouTube is just for influencers and vloggers. Aleric Heck, founder of AdOutreach, has spent the last 10 years proving otherwise — helping companies turn video content into a real, scalable revenue engine. In this episode of The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky sit down with Aleric to unpack: How a high school YouTube channel turned into an 8-figure ad agency The 3-part content Venn diagram that separates viral videos from client-converting videos The "hook, educate, call-to-action" framework behind high-performing YouTube ads Why thumbnails, titles, and your first 30 seconds make or break a video's performance What in-feed ads are — and how just $5–$10/day can grow your channel organically Why private equity firms are buying YouTube channels for millions (and what that means for your business) Inside Aleric's new book, Video Authority: The Art and Science of Converting Viewers Into Clients Featured Guest: Aleric Heck Aleric Heck is the founder and CEO of AdOutreach, a video and YouTube ads agency that has helped clients generate over $100 million in revenue. He got his start growing one of YouTube's largest app-review channels to half a million subscribers before pivoting to teach businesses how to convert viewers into paying clients through YouTube ads, organic strategy, and cross-platform video marketing. He's also the creator of ThumbnailCreator.com, an AI-powered thumbnail generation tool, and the author of the new book: Video Authority: The Art and Science of Converting Viewers Into Clients Connect with Aleric Heck: Website: adoutreach.com Book: Video Authority YouTube: @AlericHeckYT Instagram: @alericheck LinkedIn: Aleric Heck Key Takeaways: How to Make Money on YouTube in 2026 1. Start With the End in Mind Views don't pay the bills — clients do. Aleric's core philosophy is that business owners should design content to convert, not just to rack up views or go viral. 2. The Content Venn Diagram The best-performing YouTube videos sit at the intersection of three things: Your expertise and passion What your ideal client is actually searching for What's trending or timely (so the algorithm and audience both respond) 3. The Ad Framework: Hook, Educate, Call to Action Every high-converting YouTube ad follows the same three-beat structure — grab attention, deliver real value, then give a clear next step. 4. Title, Thumbnail, and First 30 Seconds Are Everything Alignment between these three elements determines whether a viewer clicks — and whether they stay. 5. In-Feed Ads Are the Underused Growth Lever Unlike traditional YouTube ads (built for direct leads), in-feed ads appear in search results and suggested videos for as little as $5–$10/day, helping already-strong organic content reach more people. 6. YouTube Is an Owned Asset Private equity firms are actively buying YouTube channels and equity stakes in them — something that doesn't happen with Instagram, TikTok, or Facebook content. A YouTube channel compounds in value over time because of its built-in search algorithm. Featured Links & Resources The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, co-hosted by Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky Julie Lokun — brand & podcast strategy consulting: bigbetterbrand.com Dominick Domasky — motivation, mindset, and momentum coaching: motivationchamps.com Live events for creative entrepreneurs: Cre8tive Con Aleric Heck's book: Video Authority AI thumbnail tool: ThumbnailCreator.com Aleric Heck's agency: AdOutreach.com Frequently Asked Questions Can you actually make money on YouTube, or is it just for influencers? Yes — YouTube can generate real, scalable business revenue beyond influencer sponsorships. Aleric Heck's agency, AdOutreach, has helped businesses generate over $100 million using YouTube ads and organic video strategy focused on converting viewers into paying clients, not just chasing views. What is the hook, educate, call-to-action framework? It's a three-part structure for high-converting YouTube ads: hook the viewer's attention, educate them with real value, and close with a clear call to action that drives them to take the next step. What are in-feed YouTube ads? In-feed ads are ads that appear in YouTube search results or suggested videos, distinct from traditional in-stream ads. They can cost as little as $5–$10 a day and are used to accelerate the growth of already-strong organic content. Why are private equity firms buying YouTube channels? Because a YouTube channel is a compounding, ownable asset — videos keep generating views (and revenue) years after publishing, unlike short-lived content on platforms like TikTok or Instagram. What is Aleric Heck's book about? Video Authority: The Art and Science of Converting Viewers Into Clients teaches coaches, consultants, and service-based business owners how to use video strategically to attract and convert ideal clients — rather than simply grow subscriber counts. Listen to The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and everywhere you get your podcasts. DON'T FORGET TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR LIVE EVENTS: www.cre8tivecon.com Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Leave Us A Review on Apple: Creative Entrepreneur: A Podcast For Business Growth and Trending News - Podcast - Apple Podcasts Learn About Alexa Bigwarfe's STAGES AND PAGES- Stages and Pages v. 2 -- Learn About Conner Tighe on LINKEDIN- Conner Tighe | LinkedIn Learn About Tiffany Jones- http://tiffanyjoneseducation.com/ You didn't tune in for an interview this time — you tuned in for something better: proof that this show is actually landing. In this mini-sode, Julie steps away from the guest chair to read three reviews that stopped her in her tracks — from Alexa Bigwarfe, Conner Tighe, and Tiffany Jones — and to make you an offer most podcasts won't: leave a review, and you might hear your own words read back to you on the show. Loyal fans get the perks. It's that simple. In this episode: Why entrepreneurship is lonely — and why community is the antidote Three listener reviews that capture exactly what this show is trying to do How to get your review read on-air (and the perks that come with it) Where to leave your rating and review right now Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Learn More About Char Murphy and Follow Mission Hope on LinkedIn  Learn More about Julie and Dom and their live events: www.cre8tivecon.com This episode opens with a data-driven look at the AI infrastructure boom — a $500 billion NVIDIA-backed bet involving Apollo, BlackRock, Blackstone, Brookfield, and Goldman Sachs — and the growing local pushback against AI data centers across the U.S. From there, the conversation pivots to a bigger question: as AI content floods every platform, is the real business opportunity in human storytelling? Guest Char Murphy — founder of Mission Hope and BelieveInspire, retired attorney, and eight-time #1 bestselling author — joins Julie and Dominick to unpack: How to spot AI-generated manuscripts (hint: watch the cadence) Why she asks authors point-blank, "Did you write this?" The line between using AI as a tool (brainstorming, outlining, brand-building) versus letting it write your story How writing and publishing personal stories is a healing, transformative process Her own journey surviving breast cancer four times, near-blindness, and rebuilding her identity after losing her law career Practical advice for entrepreneurs who want to write a book or start a podcast but feel stuck The episode closes with an AI-generated "Char Murphy" outro — a live experiment testing whether AI can actually capture a real person's voice and heart (spoiler: it can't quite get there). Timestamps 00:00 — Intro: Is the AI bubble about to pop? $500B AI infrastructure bet, Google's "zero-click" search problem 02:30 — Community pushback on AI data centers; can the U.S. win the AI race? 04:00 — Meet Char Murphy: attorney, 4x breast cancer survivor, founder of Mission Hope 06:00 — How Char vets manuscripts for AI-generated content 08:30 — The "AI cadence" problem: one-word sentences and repetitive rhythms in books 13:00 — Char's personal story: surviving cancer four times and rebuilding from nothing 16:00 — Why writing your own story is part of the healing process 19:00 — Mission Hope: building a community around authentic storytelling 24:00 — Where AI does have a place: branding, marketing, ideation — not memoirs 27:30 — Advice for entrepreneurs who want to write a book or launch a podcast but feel stuck 30:00 — Final advice for anyone "in the middle of the storm" 32:00 — The AI-generated "Char Murphy" outro experiment Guest: Char Murphy Char Murphy is a retired attorney, motivational speaker, and eight-time #1 bestselling author who survived breast cancer four separate times, faced near-blindness, and rebuilt her identity and career from the ground up. She is the founder of BelieveInspire and creator of the Mission Hope anthology series, a global storytelling movement and bestselling book collection curating authentic stories of resilience, faith, and healing. Guest Links: Mission Hope book series (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/Mission-Hope-Thriving-Through-Seasons/dp/1956353429 Unshakeable Power: Through Seasons of the Soul (Char's memoir): https://www.amazon.com/Unshakeable-Power-Through-Seasons-Soul/dp/1734025034 BelieveInspire / Motivation Champs author page: https://www.motivationchamps.com/authors/char-murphy/ Char Murphy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authorcharlottemurphy/ Hosts Julie Lokun — Founder of The Mediacasters, co-founder of Dragonfly Podcast Academy, and co-host of The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast Dominick Domasky — Co-host of The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, longtime publishing collaborator Key Quotes / Soundbites "It's that same human interaction that we all crave and that we want. So when it comes to storytelling, if it's not the real person telling the story, then where's the legitimacy behind it?" — Char Murphy "Why let a computer tell your story for you?" — Char Murphy "If an AI is writing your story, then it's not gonna heal you. It's not gonna heal anybody else really, because that legitimacy is not coming through." — Char Murphy "Just start. Just start writing." — Char Murphy's advice to aspiring authors Resources & Mentions NVIDIA's $500B AI infrastructure partnership (Apollo, BlackRock, Blackstone, Brookfield, Goldman Sachs) Mission Hope anthology series by Char Murphy Unshakeable Power: Through Seasons of the Soul by Char Murphy BelieveInspire (Char's coaching and storytelling community) Motivation Champs Subscribe & Connect Subscribe to The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify Follow Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky for more on podcasting, branding, and entrepreneurship Rate and review the show to help more entrepreneurs find these conversations Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

At The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, we love spotlighting members of our community, the businesses they’re building, the shows they’re creating and all the cool things they’re doing along the way. For this special Labor Day bonus episode, we’re featuring Not the Smartest Guys in the Room, hosted by someone you might recognize, Dominick Domasky, and his good friend Tom Langan. This episode is all about what we love about America. From freedom, opportunity and chasing a dream to football, food, road trips, small towns, big cities and plenty of uniquely American craziness, Tom and Dom celebrate the people, places and possibilities that make this country special. Entrepreneurship has always been about believing something is possible, taking a chance and creating your own path. That spirit is a big part of what we celebrate every week on The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, and it’s at the heart of this conversation too. Happy Labor Day from The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast. Enjoy this special bonus episode of Not the Smartest Guys in the Room. Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Join Our Live Events: www.cre8tivecon.com About this episode: This week on The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, hosts Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky unpack one of the biggest shifts in media history: the mainstream isn't discovering creators anymore — creators built the mainstream themselves. The conversation centers on Curry Barker's breakout horror film "Obsession," made for under $1 million and grossing over $500 million worldwide, and Kane Pixels (Kane Parsons), whose debut film opened bigger than any release in A24's history — the same weekend Disney's "Mandalorian and Grogu" dropped 70% in its second week on a $165 million budget. Julie and Dominick use these case studies to explore a bigger question: is business risk actually lower when you invest in creators with built-in, proven audiences? They walk through how the algorithm shift from follower-count-based distribution to interest-based media has leveled the playing field for entrepreneurs starting from zero, why consistency and "camera-ready" content matter more than luck, and how creators like MrBeast (Beast Bars, Beast Games on Prime Video) and Jake Paul (Prime Hydration, boxing promotion) diversified their attention into full product portfolios instead of renting an audience from a single platform. The episode also touches on a real community example — a creator who turned her personal story around on TikTok and grew fast enough to land a booking on Jenny McCarthy's podcast within months — and closes with a challenge to entrepreneurs sitting on the sidelines waiting for permission from a studio, network, or publisher that no longer holds the keys. Key Topics & Timestamps The Curry Barker "Obsession" case study: $750K budget, $500M+ worldwide gross Kane Pixels (Kane Parsons) outselling A24's biggest openings at age 20 Why proven audience size is now lower business risk than a traditional Hollywood pitch How interest-based algorithms (not follower count) decide who gets discovered in 2026 MrBeast and Jake Paul: turning attention into product, not just views The "own your ecosystem, don't rent your audience" philosophy Why consistency and a clear "why" beat chasing virality Is mainstream media (CNN, ABC, Fox, cable) dead — or just adapting? AI, content strategy, and why website designers and creators alike must "zag" when their industry zigs Quotable Takeaway As Julie Lokun puts it, the entrepreneurs winning right now aren't the ones with the most followers — they're the ones who understand their audience's deepest needs and treat every piece of content as a product, not a promotion. It's a principle echoed by marketing pioneer Gary Vaynerchuk, who has long argued that platforms and formats will keep shifting, but attention that gets logged and compounded over years — not chased overnight — is what eventually turns into real leverage. Who Should Listen Entrepreneurs, podcasters, content creators, marketing and brand strategists, small business owners building a media presence, and anyone deciding whether to invest time in building an audience on YouTube, TikTok, or Instagram before "the industry" ever comes calling. About the Hosts Julie Lokun, JD, is a media entrepreneur, podcast strategist, and brand consultant, and founder of The Mediacasters LLC. Dominick Domasky is her longtime co-host and collaborator. Together they host The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, ranked in the top 0.05% of podcasts globally on Listen Notes and top 5 weekly on Apple Podcasts. Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Check out Tina Eliana's YouTube Channel : (4) Jam Sessions with Tina Eliana - YouTube How often do we overlook our own leadership because no one has given it a title? And what changes when someone recognizes what is already within us before we are ready to claim it for ourselves? Those two questions sit at the center of Season 1, Episode 4 of Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana, where host Tina Eliana sits down with entrepreneur, author, and podcaster Julie Lokun, JD, for a conversation titled "How to Recognize Your Everyday Leadership." It is a personal, unfiltered discussion about self-trust, courage, judgment, vulnerability, belief, and influence — and about the leadership so many of us practice long before we ever recognize it as leadership at all. Because leadership does not suddenly appear the moment we get a promotion, a platform, or permission. It is already there, in the way we show up, long before anyone hands us a title. About This Episode Leadership is usually framed as something that happens after — after the promotion, after the platform, after someone in charge decides you're ready. This episode of Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana pushes back on that idea entirely. Tina Eliana and Julie Lokun spend the hour making the case that leadership is something most of us are already doing, quietly, in the decisions nobody sees — and that the real turning point isn't earning the title, it's finally recognizing what was already true. Julie Lokun is an entrepreneur, author, speaker, podcaster, and the founder of The Mediacasters, an omni-media company built to help entrepreneurs and creatives amplify their voices through podcasting, publishing, and public speaking. She is also the founder of Cre8tive Con and co-founder, alongside Dr. JC Doornick, of Dragonfly Podcast Academy, where entrepreneurs learn how to launch, grow, and monetize their own podcasts. Her guiding philosophy — own your ecosystem, don't rent your audience — runs underneath everything she builds, and it shows up throughout this conversation. What makes this episode especially layered is the history between the two women at the table. Julie is one of the people who recognized Tina's potential and believed in her message before Tina fully understood where that message could lead. That backstory adds a second dimension to the conversation: this isn't just two leadership voices theorizing about influence in the abstract. It's a real example of it, playing out between the two people discussing it. Julie speaks candidly about the point in her life when living according to everyone else's expectations stopped being sustainable — the moment the gap between what she was performing and what she actually wanted became too wide to keep ignoring. From there, she and Tina dig into instinct, emotion, sound judgment, and the uncomfortable truth that confidence doesn't protect any of us from a blind spot. Competence and self-awareness are not the same thing, and this episode sits directly in that gap. Key Themes Explored in This Episode Tina and Julie explore questions that reach far beyond a job title, including: What does everyday leadership look like before anyone calls it leadership? Long before a title is attached, leadership shows up in follow-through, in the choices made when no one is watching, and in the willingness to take responsibility for outcomes. How much can one person's belief change another person's direction? Julie and Tina's own relationship becomes the case study — what it means to see potential in someone before they can fully see it in themselves, and how that early belief can reroute a career or a life. What role should emotion play in leadership and business decisions? Rather than treating emotion as something to suppress in professional settings, the conversation reframes it as data — information that, ignored, tends to resurface as a blind spot later. Why can intelligent, capable people still miss what is happening in front of them? Confidence and competence can coexist with a total blind spot. This episode dismantles the idea that being smart or accomplished makes anyone immune to missing the obvious. How do shame and self-blame affect us after a blind spot? What happens in the aftermath matters as much as the blind spot itself — and Julie and Tina talk openly about the difference between accountability and self-punishment. There are moments of laughter, reflection, and real vulnerability in this episode — the kind that may leave you reconsidering where you've already been leading without realizing it, and where you might still be waiting for a permission you no longer need. Meet Julie Lokun, JD Julie Lokun, JD is a media entrepreneur, podcast strategist, and brand consultant, and the founder of The Mediacasters LLC, an omni-media company built around one core belief: creators and entrepreneurs should own their ecosystem, not rent their audience. Julie is also the co-founder of Dragonfly Cre8tions LLC, Dragonfly Podcast Academy, and Cre8tive Con, including its traveling OTR (On The Road) series, which brings Julie's Own Your Ecosystem framework directly to entrepreneurs and creatives across the country. She co-hosts two top-ranked shows: The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast alongside Dominick Domasky, and Get Obsessed Podcast alongside Mika Altidor — both of which rank in the top 0.05% of podcasts globally on Listen Notes and regularly chart in the top 5 on Apple Podcasts. Julie holds a JD from John Marshall Law School/UIC, a BA in Journalism from Indiana University, and a Masters Certification in Life Coaching. She is also a contributing writer for Entrepreneur Magazine and MindValley. Connect with Julie Lokun: Full bio and links: jamsessionswithtinaeliana.com/julie-lokun Explore her work: Cre8tive Con About Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana is a leadership podcast exploring intentional leadership beyond titles, positions, and organizational charts. Here, the titles get left at the door. Through candid conversations that span industries, communities, cultures, and lived experience, the show examines everyday decisions, relationships, courageous choices, self-awareness, influence, and personal responsibility — often long before anyone officially calls the person living them a "leader." No pedestal. No pretending. Just meaningful conversations about how we show up, and the influence we carry whether or not we've claimed it yet. Explore more episodes: www.jamsessionswithtinaeliana.com About Tina Eliana Tina Eliana is a Leadership and Learning Systems Advisor, author, speaker, podcast host, and community builder who helps individuals recognize the leader already within themselves — and helps organizations strengthen leadership across their teams. A four-time WGU graduate and WGU Alumni Ambassador, Tina brings both an academic and a deeply personal lens to leadership development. She is also a patient advocate for Visual Snow Syndrome, an experience that informs the empathy and honesty she brings to every conversation on her show. Across all of her work runs one simple belief: leadership isn't reserved for people with titles. About Dominick Domasky Dominick Domasky is Julie Lokun's longtime collaborator and co-host of The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, one of the top-ranked shows in Julie's growing media ecosystem. Together, Julie and Dominick have built a show — and a broader creative partnership — centered on helping entrepreneurs think bigger about the media they build and the ecosystems they own. If this episode's themes of leadership, self-recognition, and owning your own narrative resonated with you, The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast goes even deeper into what it takes to build and lead as a creative entrepreneur every single week. Frequently Asked Questions What is Episode 4 of Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana about? Season 1, Episode 4, titled "How to Recognize Your Everyday Leadership," features host Tina Eliana in conversation with Julie Lokun, JD, about self-trust, courage, judgment, vulnerability, belief, and the leadership many of us are already practicing before we recognize it in ourselves. Who is Julie Lokun? Julie Lokun, JD, is an entrepreneur, author, speaker, and podcaster, and the founder of The Mediacasters. She also founded Cre8tive Con and co-founded Dragonfly Podcast Academy with Dr. JC Doornick. She co-hosts The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast and Get Obsessed Podcast. Who is Tina Eliana? Tina Eliana is a Leadership and Learning Systems Advisor, author, speaker, and podcast host of Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana. She is a four-time WGU graduate, a WGU Alumni Ambassador, and a patient advocate for Visual Snow Syndrome. What is "everyday leadership"? As discussed in this episode, everyday leadership refers to the leadership we practice in ordinary, unglamorous moments — showing up consistently, taking responsibility, trusting our own judgment — long before any title, promotion, or platform officially names us a leader. How does belief from another person change our direction? Julie and Tina's own relationship illustrates this directly: Julie recognized potential in Tina before Tina fully understood where her own message could lead. The episode explores how one person's early belief in another can reroute the direction of a career or a life. Why do capable, intelligent people still develop blind spots? Confidence and competence do not guarantee self-awareness. The episode unpacks why smart, accomplished people can still miss what's directly in front of them, and why humility — not intelligence — is what closes that gap. Where can I connect with Julie Lokun or learn more about her work? Visit her guest page at jamsessionswithtinaeliana.com/julie-lokun or explore her broader ecosystem, including Cre8tive Con, at www.cre8tivecon.com. Where can I listen to more episodes of Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana? You can find the full catalog of episodes at www.jamsessionswithtinaeliana.com. Is there a related podcast where Julie Lokun is the host? Yes — Julie co-hosts The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast with Dominick Domasky and Get Obsessed Podcast with Mika Altidor, both of which explore entrepreneurship, media, and building an owned audience ecosystem. Join the Jam If this conversation brings someone to mind — someone who may not yet recognize the leadership already within them — share this episode with them. It might be exactly the recognition they need. Follow Jam Sessions With Tina Eliana wherever you listen, and turn on new-episode notifications when available. After you listen, sit with this question: When did someone help you recognize the leader within yourself? Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Learn More About Our Creative Entrepreneur LIVE Events: www.cre8tivecon.com ABOUT THE EPISODE: He was a people-pleaser who said "sounds good" while dying inside. Then a negotiation class he only picked because it "fit his schedule" rewired his entire nervous system — and turned Kwame Christian, Esq. into one of the most in-demand negotiators on the planet. In this episode of The Creative Entrepreneur, Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky sit down with Kwame Christian — CEO of the American Negotiation Institute, host of Negotiate Anything (16M+ downloads, 1,700+ episodes, the #1 negotiation podcast in the world for nearly a decade), two-time bestselling author, Forbes contributor, and the creator of LinkedIn's only negotiation certificate. Global Gurus just named him a Top 10 negotiation professional in the world for 2026, and in his spare time, he's a 99th-percentile chess player with 20,000 games logged. This conversation goes past the LinkedIn-post version of Kwame's story into the real one: a six-year-old getting rejected on the playground, a law school elective picked at random, and the framework — Compassionate Curiosity — that's now taught inside Google, Apple, and NASA. What You'll Learn The chess principle that applies directly to business strategy: why "control the center, develop your pieces, and don't move the same piece twice" is a lesson in decision-making under uncertainty. Why negotiation is a skill, not a talent — and how one law school competition win rewired Kwame's entire sense of identity. The origin story of his people-pleasing — a first-grade playground rejection that shaped two decades of over-accommodating. The Compassionate Curiosity framework: acknowledge and validate emotions → get curious with compassion → joint problem-solving. The 70/30 rule: why the best negotiators speak 30% of the time and listen 70%, and why "you can't say something stupid while you're listening." The "acceptance speech test": how to frame an offer so well the other side could read it verbatim to their own team as a win. "Concede according to plan": Kwame's rule for never making an emotional concession in the moment. How to negotiate at home — and why the same framework that works with Fortune 500 clients works with a five-year-old and a ten-year-old. Jules Rules: Julie, Dom, and Kwame each share their biggest negotiation misses — and how to avoid them. Key Quotes "I wasn't born this way, I was built this way." "The best things in life are on the other side of difficult conversations." "Negotiation is the art of letting them have your way." "I am more willing to accept failure than I am to accept regret." "Every good decision will come with some collateral damage." Timestamps 00:00 — Introducing Kwame Christian, Esq. 03:10 — Chess as a metaphor for business strategy 08:45 — From people-pleaser to negotiation champion 14:20 — The playground story behind the people-pleasing 19:30 — Introducing Compassionate Curiosity 27:15 — Negotiating at home vs. negotiating with Fortune 500 clients 33:40 — High-stakes negotiation on the world stage 39:05 — Jules Rules: negotiation misses 47:00 — The acceptance speech test and win-win negotiation 54:15 — Kwame's early-career negotiation mistake and final tips Connect with Kwame Christian American Negotiation Institute: https://kwamechristian.com/ Negotiate Anything Podcast (Apple Podcasts): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/negotiate-anything/id1101679010 Negotiate Anything Podcast (Listen Notes): https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/negotiate-anything-kwame-christian-esq-ma-H9D3X0q-KFt/ Kwame Christian on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kwamechristian/ Books: Finding Confidence in Conflict: How to Negotiate Anything and Live Your Best Life and How to Have Difficult Conversations About Race Connect with The Creative Entrepreneur Hosted by Julie Lokun (The Mediacasters, Dragonfly Podcast Academy) and Dominick Domasky Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts and Spotify Frequently Asked Questions Who is Kwame Christian? Kwame Christian, Esq., M.A. is an attorney, keynote speaker, and CEO of the American Negotiation Institute. He hosts Negotiate Anything, which was the #1 negotiation podcast in the world for nearly a decade, and has trained negotiation teams at Google, Apple, and NASA. What is Compassionate Curiosity? Compassionate Curiosity is Kwame Christian's three-step framework for difficult conversations: acknowledge and validate emotions, get curious with compassion by asking open-ended questions, and move into joint problem-solving so both sides work together against the problem instead of against each other. What is the "acceptance speech test" in negotiation? It's a technique for framing an offer so strongly from the other person's perspective that they could repeat it word-for-word to their own team as a personal win, while your own interests are still built into the deal. What is Cre8tive Con? Cre8tive Con is a live event experience co-founded by Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky, built around branding, podcasting, and creative entrepreneurship. Its traveling series, Cre8tive Con OTR, tours cities nationally and leads up to a flagship Cre8tive Con event. Who is Julie Lokun? Julie Lokun, JD is a media entrepreneur, podcast strategist, and brand consultant. She's the founder of The Mediacasters LLC, co-founder of Dragonfly Cre8tions LLC (including Dragonfly Podcast Academy), and co-founder of Cre8tive Con. She co-hosts The Creative Entrepreneur and Get Obsessed, and her podcasts rank in the top 0.05% globally on Listen Notes. Who is Dominick Domasky? Dominick Domasky is a co-founder of Cre8tive Con and co-host of The Creative Entrepreneur podcast alongside Julie Lokun, where the two interview founders, authors, and experts on branding, business growth, and creative entrepreneurship. What is The Creative Entrepreneur podcast? The Creative Entrepreneur is a business and branding podcast hosted by Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky, featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, authors, and experts like Kwame Christian on building brands, scaling businesses, and mastering the skills — like negotiation and communication — that drive long-term success. Where can I learn more about Cre8tive Con OTR? Cre8tive Con OTR is the traveling version of Cre8tive Con, bringing the event's branding and entrepreneurship programming to cities across the country as part of a national tour building toward a larger flagship event. Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast hit the road for Cre8tive Con OTR (On The Road) Boston, hosted at One Financial Center. Co-hosts Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky sit down post-event to unpack the blind spots most business owners never see — and the strategists who exposed them live. Inside this episode: Kerry Brett (Rolling Stone, Boston Globe photographer) on optics and how you're perceived before you speak John Lee, NYT bestselling author of Money Unlocked, on leveraging AI to scale your brand and business Keap (CRM) on automation that still feels human — following up at scale without losing connection Neil Rodgers on positive activity and the mindset work behind sustainable growth Nick Hutchison of BookThinkers on why "trust is transitive" and how community compounds credibility Julie and Dominick's 8 Pillars of Owning Your Ecosystem: website, email list, book/IP, podcast, community, content library, live events, and your own stage The hosts also share how phone-free "portal" moments (inspired by mentor Sean Finegan) shaped the room, and tease the next stop: Cre8tive Con OTR Orlando, timed around PodFest Expo. Key Takeaways You don't own rented land — social platforms can disappear overnight. Build your own ecosystem instead. Optics matter before you ever open your mouth. AI is a scaling asset, not a replacement for strategy. Automation should sound like you, not a robot. Trust is transitive — the right relationships open doors faster than cold outreach. FAQs What is Cre8tive Con OTR? Cre8tive Con OTR (On The Road) is the traveling live-event series from Cre8tive Con, bringing entrepreneurs, authors, and podcasters together city by city — Boston was the launch stop, with Orlando next. What are the 8 Pillars of Owning Your Ecosystem? Website, email list, book/IP, podcast, community, content library, live events, and your own stage — the framework Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky use to help entrepreneurs stop renting audiences and start owning them. Who spoke at Cre8tive Con OTR Boston? Kerry Brett, John Lee, Neil Rodgers, Nick Hutchison, and the Keap team joined hosts Julie Lokun and Dominick Domasky. When is Cre8tive Con OTR Orlando? It's coming up around PodFest Expo — details at cre8tivecon.com. What book did John Lee talk about? His New York Times bestseller Money Unlocked, covering how to protect, grow, and scale your money. About the Hosts Julie Lokun, JD is a media entrepreneur, podcast strategist, and brand consultant, and founder of The Mediacasters LLC. She co-founded Dragonfly Cre8tions LLC and Dragonfly Podcast Academy, and co-hosts both The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast and Get Obsessed Podcast — both ranked in the top 0.05% globally on Listen Notes. Learn more at julielokunconsulting.com. Dominick Domasky is a speaker, brand strategist, and founder of Motivation Champs, known for his signature mantra: "Control it, don't let it control you." He co-founded Cre8tive Con and Cre8tive Con OTR with Julie Lokun. Learn more at motivationchamps.com. Links & Resources Cre8tive Con & OTR Orlando: www.cre8tivecon.com Motivation Champs (Dominick Domasky): www.motivationchamps.com Julie Lokun Consulting: www.julielokunconsulting.com Big Better Brand: www.bigbetterbrand.com Subscribe, rate, and review The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast — and follow along as OTR heads to Orlando next. Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Dr. Robert Epstein says he was warned he could die for exposing the Search Engine Manipulation Effect. Months later, his wife was killed in a crash police still can't fully explain. IN THIS EPISODE WITH DR. ROBERT EPSTEIN:In Part 2 with Dr. Robert Epstein, Julie Lokun is joined by special co-host Jen Fontanilla, filling in for Dom Domasky, for a conversation that goes somewhere darker than Part 1: the personal cost of being a whistleblower. Epstein shares the warning he says he received after testifying before the U.S. Senate about the Search Engine Manipulation Effect (SEME) — and the devastating loss of his wife, Misti, in a car accident he has publicly said made him question whether it was truly accidental. Jen and Julie sit with the weight of that story and what it means to speak truth to power when power is a trillion-dollar company. This isn't clickbait — it's a firsthand account of what it can cost to blow the whistle on Big Tech. Timestamped chapters: 00:00 — Cold open: "Makes you wonder" 03:40 — Recap: what the Search Engine Manipulation Effect is and why it made Epstein a target 09:15 — The warning Dr. Epstein says he received 17:30 — Misti's story — who she was, not just how she died 25:00 — The night everything changed 33:10 — What the police investigation found — and didn't find 40:00 — Living with uncertainty: grief, suspicion, and moving forward 47:00 — What Dr. Epstein wants entrepreneurs and creators to take from his story 52:15 — Jen Fontanilla's take: what this means for anyone building a platform online Guest bio: Dr. Robert Epstein is Senior Research Psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology (AIBRT), the last PhD student trained under B.F. Skinner at Harvard University, and former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today. He testified before the U.S. Senate on the Search Engine Manipulation Effect and has spoken publicly about the threat he says preceded it, as well as the loss of his wife, Misti Vaughn, in 2019. More at drrobertepstein.com. Co-host bio: Jen Fontanilla joins this episode as special co-host, filling in for Dom Domasky. More about Jen and her work at jenfontanilla.com. QUOTES: "I'm not suicidal. Hear that, Google?" "You don't forget a warning like that — even when you want to." "Grief and suspicion can live in the same sentence." Resource links: Dr. Robert Epstein: drrobertepstein.com Julie Lokun, JD: julielokunconsulting.com Jen Fontanilla: jenfontanilla.com Dom Domasky / Motivation Champs: motivationchamps.com Cre8tive Con: cre8tivecon.com Cre8tive Con OTR: cre8tiveconotr.com Dr. Epstein also unpacks his Humanness Test, the tool he built to measure how "human" a person's responses really are — and what that means now that AI can pass for human in blind conversation studies. He points listeners to MyDigitalHygiene.com, home of his Digital Hygiene Inventory, a free assessment that scores your real-world skills for staying safe and private online. Add a chapter marker: 44:30 — The Humanness Test, AI, and why "sounding human" isn't what it used to be 46:00 — MyDigitalHygiene.com: are your digital hygiene habits protecting you? Add to resource links: Humanness Test: howhumanareyou.com Digital Hygiene Inventory: mydigitalhygiene.com What is Dr. Robert Epstein's Digital Hygiene Inventory? The Epstein Digital Hygiene Inventory (EDHI) is a free online questionnaire at MyDigitalHygiene.com that measures 11 competency areas needed to use technology safely and privately. It's available in a one-minute abridged version and a 15-minute full version, both developed through Epstein's American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology (AIBRT). Did Dr. Robert Epstein say he was warned about his safety? Dr. Robert Epstein has publicly stated that after briefing state attorneys general on Google's ability to influence elections, one official told him he could "die in an accident in a few months." He has referenced this warning in connection with his wife's death, though he has also said he does not believe Google or Hillary Clinton were involved. How did Misti Vaughn, Dr. Robert Epstein's wife, die? Misti Dawn Vaughn died in December 2019 after her truck spun out on a wet road in California and collided with a tractor-trailer and an SUV. Investigators found no evidence that drugs or alcohol were a factor, and Epstein has publicly questioned — without confirming — whether the crash was truly accidental. Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bar Tips: The Bartender-Turned-Author Who Cracked the Code on Sales Without Selling The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast | Julie Lokun & Dominick Domasky ft. Neil Rogers Forget the funnels. Forget the scripts. The best sales training on earth might be happening behind a bar top on a Friday night — and Neil Rogers is here to prove it. Neil is the author of Bar Tips: Everything I Needed to Know in Sales I Learned Behind the Bar — a book Julie calls dog-eared, underlined, and genuinely transformational. In this episode, Julie Lokun and Dominic Domasky sit down with Neil for an unscripted conversation about what decades in hospitality taught him about selling, leading, and connecting — the human way. If you've ever felt like traditional sales advice makes you feel gross, manipulative, or fake — this episode is your reset. What You'll Learn in This Episode Why hospitality principles outperform traditional sales scripts every time How to read people instead of reading a pitch deck The fastest way to build real rapport (hint: it starts with a name) How bartenders master the art of the upsell — without ever feeling pushy Why time management and organization are underrated sales superpowers How to handle difficult customers (and difficult clients) with grace Why every sales skill is actually a life skill in disguise How humility and kindness quietly outperform hustle culture From Behind the Bar to the Boardroom Neil breaks down why bartenders are some of the most naturally gifted sales professionals alive — masters of first impressions, active listening, emotional regulation, and grace under pressure. His philosophy: "We are not in the product business. We are in the hospitality business." Whether you're closing six-figure deals or pouring drinks, the same truth applies — people want to feel seen, heard, and respected. Neil shares real stories from his career that prove trust and loyalty can't be manufactured through tactics. They're built one interaction at a time. A Conversation That Goes Deeper This episode isn't just about sales. Neil opens up about being a father to a non-speaking autistic son, the impact the book Underestimated had on his family, and how spelling-to-communicate practices reshaped the way he thinks about empathy, patience, and truly listening — in business and in life. Featured Book Bar Tips: Everything I Needed to Know in Sales I Learned Behind the Bar by Neil Rogers Available on Amazon — a must-read for entrepreneurs, sales professionals, and anyone who works with people. Who This Episode Is For Small business owners • Entrepreneurs & founders • Sales professionals • Coaches & consultants • Side hustlers • Creative professionals building sustainable businesses Memorable Quotes "Never avoid an opportunity to keep your mouth shut." "Be humble and be kind." "Sales is not about pressure. It's about presence." Subscribe, Review & Share If this episode hit home, subscribe to The Creative Entrepreneur Podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts, and share it with an entrepreneur who needs to hear it. It helps more creatives and founders find the show. Explore more episodes and upcoming events: www.cre8tivecon.com ️ Join us live in Chicago in 2027  at Cre8tive Con! Interested in being a guest on the Creative Entrepreneur Podcast?Reach out : www.creativeenrepreneurpod.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.