How to Turn Clicks Into Real Revenue | Bathroom Break #104

Most marketers track clicks…but almost nobody is using them correctly. Jay and Daniel break down how to turn click data into one of the most powerful tools in your marketing stack. From building high-intent audiences to improving segmentation, they explain why clicks should be treated as a signal, not just a metric. They cover how to create retargeting audiences from click activity, why tagging clicks by topic unlocks smarter campaigns, and how to filter out low-quality or misleading clicks so you’re not optimizing based on bad data.  Jay also shares a simple (and slightly controversial) way to estimate bot click inflation and why your reported metrics might not be as accurate as you think. If you want to get more value out of the traffic you already have, this episode shows you how to make your clicks actually count. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

While everyone fights over Meta and Google…smart brands are going offline. In this episode, Daniel sits down with Olivia Oshry, CMO of the Out of Home Advertising Association of America (OAAA), to break down why billboards, out-of-home, and real-world media are booming again and why most brands are still underutilizing them. Olivia shares her journey from digital-first companies like AOL to betting big on out-of-home, and explains why the pendulum is swinging away from pure performance marketing toward a more balanced, brand-first strategy. They dive into why out-of-home works so well in today’s AI-driven, hyper-digital world and why she calls it “the human medium.” They also unpack why attention matters more than impressions, how Gen Z discovers brands differently, and why great creative (not just spend)is what separates campaigns that get ignored from ones that go viral. If you’re wondering how to break through rising CAC and creative fatigue, this episode will change how you think about media mix and where your brand should show up next. Wrike brings structure, visibility, and accountability to work, so companies can make better business decisions, improve efficiency, and reduce risk. Learn more at wrike.com/tmm Follow Olivia: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olivia-oshry-82189356/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What does it take to run Marketing for multiple global brands at once without losing creativity or performance? Daniel sits down with Natalie Wills, SVP of Marketing & Creative at Expedia Group, to break down how she leads Marketing across Hotels.com, Expedia, and Vrbo…all at the same time. Natalie shares her unconventional path into Marketing (from economics to global brand leadership), and then dives into the real strategy behind Expedia’s latest campaigns, including how mascots like “Bellboy” drive memorability in a crowded market and why bringing back nostalgic brand assets can outperform starting from scratch. And, why do most companies still get brand vs. performance Marketing completely wrong? Natalie and Daniel discuss.  If you’re scaling a brand, managing multiple products, or trying to balance creativity with performance, this is the episode for you. Wrike brings structure, visibility, and accountability to work, so companies can make better business decisions, improve efficiency, and reduce risk. Learn more at wrike.com/tmm Follow Natalie: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliealisonwills/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Are you posting on Instagram and just hoping for the best? Jay and Daniel break down some of the most underused Instagram tactics that Marketers should be paying attention to right now. Daniel explains why Instagram's Trial Reels feature is a game-changer for creators and brands who want to test content before it hits their main feed, and how the platform's built-in analytics can tell you exactly where your audience is dropping off. They also get into what Adam Mosseri actually said about sharing posts to your story (and whether Jay buys it), why posting as a Reel instead of a static image gives you a better shot at reaching non-followers, and the engagement story trick Daniel uses to warm up his audience before posting. If you’re flying blind on Instagram and want a plan, this episode is for you. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

What does it really take to launch a product that actually sells, not just looks good on a marketing plan? For this special episode, Daniel brings on a very special guest: Ari Murray (Chief Digital Officer of Salt & Stone, founder of Go-To-Millions, and his wife) to break down the real playbook behind high-performing product launches. Ari walks through how she approaches launches from the inside: why timing is often the biggest lever, how to structure drops to create urgency (and why fake urgency kills trust), and what most brands get wrong when introducing new SKUs.  And, Ari also shares how to think about media mix at different budget levels, why momentum is everything in marketing, and when to aggressively scale vs. pull back. If you're launching a product, planning a big campaign, or trying to turn Marketing into a growth engine, this episode is for you. Wrike brings structure, visibility, and accountability to work, so companies can make better business decisions, improve efficiency, and reduce risk. Learn more at wrike.com/tmm Follow Ari: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arimurray/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Marketing is easy to understand as a Marketer, duh. But to other departments (like Finance, Ops, Sales, etc.), it can be hard to get them to understand WHY your company needs Marketing.  Enter: Steve Stano, a Marketing leader in the financial services space. Sure, not everyone is a Marketer, but he’s here to break down how you can get everyone on board, in the loop, and up to date about what Marketing can do.  What does data have to do with it? Turns out, data should be the reason you do anything. You need the numbers to back it up. And as Marketers, it’s our job to paint the picture so others understand why we do things.  Plus, what’s smarter ABM? We talk about how account-based marketing tactics are evolving based on buying signals and behavior. Whether you’re a Marketer at a large company or at a startup, this is the episode for you.  Wrike brings structure, visibility, and accountability to work, so companies can make better business decisions, improve efficiency, and reduce risk. Learn more at wrike.com/tmm⁠ Follow Steve: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevestano/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

When was the last time you actually tested your subject line formula? Jay and Daniel are back with some quick win email Marketing tips that you can use TODAY.  Jay breaks down why adding your edition number back into your subject line is lifting open rates again, why your pre-header is still one of the most underrated tools in Email Marketing, and the 3 magic words that can bump your open rates by 10%.  Daniel shares why adding a simple personal question to your newsletter boosts reply rates, improves deliverability, and makes your emails feel way more human than whatever everyone else is sending. Plus, is Email Marketing just a chain? Turns out, one weak link loses the reader for good. If you want a handful of tactics you can test right away, this episode is for you. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/

What does it take to create $100 million in incremental pipeline in a single year? Kyle Coleman, Global VP of Marketing at ClickUp, unpacks his mission to help the company reach $1B in ARR and why “normal f***ing sucks” might be the best company value he’s ever worked under. From his start as an SDR to becoming a two-time CMO, Kyle shares lessons on category design, uniting sales and marketing, and creating demand in a saturated AI-hyped world.  Plus, what’s ClickUp’s “No Lead Left Behind” initiative all about? Kyle breaks it down, along with how to productize a horizontal platform, why brand awareness makes or breaks regional sales success, and how to build strategic messaging that resonates.  Whether you’re scaling a PLG motion or trying to land 7-figure enterprise deals, this is the episode for you.  Wrike brings structure, visibility, and accountability to work, so companies can make better business decisions, improve efficiency, and reduce risk. Learn more at wrike.com/tmm⁠ Follow Kyle: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyletcoleman/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

You’ve got a great idea, operations, and some funding. But how do you actually build the brand…and make it the best it can possibly be? With AI disrupting the space, what do we need to change and what should stay the same? Matt Kerbel, Head of Global Brand Strategy at Turo, joins the show to unpack what marketers are missing in the age of AI. He and his team are on a mission to change the way we rent cars and it turns out, it’s working in major cities.  From building soft skills like vulnerability, storytelling, and confidence, to launching high-impact brand campaigns rooted in human insight, Matt shares a compelling case for why the fundamentals still matter. Whether you’re an entrepreneur at a startup or in growth at a large company, this is the episode for you.  Wrike brings structure, visibility, and accountability to work, so companies can make better business decisions, improve efficiency, and reduce risk. Learn more at wrike.com/tmm⁠ Follow Matt: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewkerbel/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Birthday week energy is in the air and Jay and Daniel are celebrating by dropping some of the most practical AI tips they've actually been using. Jay breaks down how to use Gemini to instantly pull a summary of every new social ad unit across Meta, LinkedIn, TikTok, Reddit, and Pinterest from the last 30 days so you're never behind on what to test. Daniel shares how he uses Perplexity to build a daily Marketing news feed pulling from Reddit, blogs, and news articles so he always knows what's happening before it hits mainstream channels. Daniel also walks through how he used Claude Code and Visual Studio to build an internal brand voice tool in about an hour, and how you can flip that same idea into a public lead gen tool like an ROI calculator or brand voice grader. Jay rounds it out with his love for Gamma, the AI deck builder that has saved his team an embarrassing amount of time on slide decks. Oh, and somewhere in the middle, there's a deep dive into birthday Eves. Yes, plural. Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: https://themarketingmillennials.com/ Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: https://workweek.com/