SecondSwap - The Dex For Locked Tokens

Andy sits down with Kanny Lee, CEO and co-founder of SecondSwap, to explore one of crypto's most under-discussed structural problems: liquidity for locked and vested tokens. With a background spanning two decades in Big Four forensic accounting and early institutional crypto OTC trading in Hong Kong, Kanny brings a rare blend of TradFi discipline and on-chain realism to the conversation. Why you should listen Kanny explains why crypto's evolution now demands proper secondary market infrastructure—something traditional finance has always relied on, but Web3 has largely ignored. SecondSwap is building a decentralized, on-chain marketplace that allows locked token positions to be traded without breaking vesting schedules, inflating supply, or undermining token integrity. By operating directly at the smart-contract layer, SecondSwap enables partial exits, discounted entry for new investors, and real liquidity where none previously existed. The discussion digs into "mid-life markets," token dump cycles, and the difference between superficial liquidity driven by short-term speculation versus sustainable liquidity built on conviction and patience. Kanny makes the case that healthy secondary markets could be a missing piece behind the stalled altcoin cycle—and that better liquidity design benefits founders, early investors, and new entrants alike. The conversation wraps with rapid-fire hot takes on Bitcoin maximalism, real-world assets, AI, privacy chains, and whether another alt season is still possible.  Supporting links Stabull Finance SecondSwap Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin   If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.

Vijit Katta is the CEO and co-founder at Tria, a self-custodial neobank that unifies spending, trading, and earning across all chains — without bridges, gas, or custodians. Why you should listen Vijit explains Tria's core vision as building both a protocol layer and a consumer layer that abstracts away blockchain complexity for users and businesses. He describes how the fragmentation of chains, gas fees, bridges, failed transactions, and security risks have slowed mass adoption, and how Tria's infrastructure removes these friction points across Bitcoin, EVM chains, Solana, and beyond. This foundation enabled the launch of Tria's consumer-facing product, a self-custodial neo-bank experience where users can spend, trade, and earn without needing to understand the underlying blockchain mechanics. The conversation explores Tria's early traction, including more than 50,000 users in its closed beta generating close to $100 million in transaction volume across spending, swaps, and bridges within just three months. Vijit attributes this growth to Tria's ability to seamlessly bridge real-world payments and on-chain assets, allowing users to spend thousands of supported tokens directly via cards without manual off-ramps or asset conversions. The emphasis is on maintaining full self-custody while delivering a user experience comparable to traditional Web2 banking apps. Vijit also discusses Tria's intent-based infrastructure, which routes transactions across multiple paths to reduce failure rates and improve reliability in a multi-chain environment. Rather than relying on single bridges or interoperability layers, Tria processes user intent and dynamically fulfills transactions through the most reliable route, ensuring users receive the outcome they want without being exposed to technical failures. The episode covers Tria's card offerings, including virtual and physical cards across different tiers, each unlocking varying cashback rates, trading fee discounts, and access to curated DeFi yield strategies. Vijit explains how Tria aims to surface opportunities that are typically inaccessible or too complex for everyday users, while aligning rewards and benefits with long-term usage rather than speculation. Vijit outlines his conviction that blockchain-based payment rails will ultimately replace legacy systems and envisions Tria becoming a primary bank account for millions across emerging markets within the next decade. He also touches on emerging developments such as agent-driven payments, where AI systems initiate transactions on behalf of users, and reflects on the uneven distribution of technological progress. The episode concludes with Vijit sharing his optimism for borderless, accessible finance and his belief that seamless on-chain banking is closer than most people realise. Supporting links Stabull Finance Tria Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.  

Kam Punia is the Founder and CEO of Pixion Games, the London based studio behind Fableborne and the $POWER gaming ecosystem.  Why you should listen In this episode, Kam Punia, founder and CEO of Pixion Games, shares his background as a long-time game industry veteran and explains how that experience shaped the studio's approach to building competitive, mobile-first games. He reflects on lessons learned from working on large global franchises such as Yu-Gi-Oh!, including how to scale game universes, balance progression, and design systems that keep players engaged over long periods of time. Kam also discusses the broader state of the gaming market and why mobile remains the dominant platform for global player hours. The conversation focuses on Pixion Games' flagship title, Fableborne, a mobile action RPG that blends fast-paced combat with strategic base building and asynchronous PvP gameplay. Kam explains the core mechanics of the game, including hero collection, kingdom defence, and raid-based progression, as well as the fantasy setting of the Shatterlands. He outlines how Fableborne is designed to be accessible for casual players while offering deeper strategic layers for more competitive audiences. Kam discusses how Web3 elements are integrated into Fableborne in a way that supports gameplay rather than replacing it. He explains Pixion's philosophy of optional blockchain participation, where players can enjoy the full game experience without needing to interact with wallets or tokens. The episode explores how Web3 can enable ownership, progression systems, and long-term incentives, while keeping onboarding friction low for traditional gamers. The discussion covers Pixion's partnerships and ecosystem support, including collaborations with infrastructure providers and investors that help power live operations, scaling, and community engagement. Kam shares insights into how Pixion thinks about player trust, controlled economies, and sustainable reward systems as part of building a long-lasting game. Finally, Kam looks ahead to the future of gaming, outlining why competitive, mobile-first experiences with strong live-ops foundations are likely to lead the next wave of innovation. He explains how community-driven content, evolving game worlds, and optional digital ownership can coexist with proven free-to-play models, and why experienced game designers will play a critical role in shaping the next generation of hybrid games. Supporting links Stabull Finance Pixion Games Fablebourne Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin   If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.

Florian Klein is the Commercial Lead at Bitpanda's Web3 team. Bitpanda, one of Europe's most regulated digital asset platforms (7M+ users, multiple MiCA licences), is expanding into Web3 through Vision ($VSN), its ecosystem token for compliant tokenisation and DeFi infrastructure. Why you should listen Vision is Bitpanda's unified Web3 ecosystem designed to make decentralised technologies accessible through a familiar, compliant, and integrated framework. The initiative brings together a suite of products; one wallet, one protocol, one chain, and one token, intended to create a consistent experience for users exploring on-chain finance. By combining intuitive interfaces with regulatory alignment, Vision aims to bridge traditional finance and the decentralised web in a way that supports long-term adoption. The ecosystem is built around several core components: the Bitpanda DeFi Wallet, Vision Protocol, Vision Chain, Bitpanda Launchpad, and the Vision Token (VSN). The DeFi Wallet provides non-custodial access with features such as smart onboarding, sponsored and discounted gas fees for eligible actions, multichain swaps, staking and an Engage section coming soon, allowing users to earn monthly rewards through collecting XP by interacting with Web3.  Vision Protocol acts as an interoperability layer that aggregates liquidity and routing across multiple chains and major DEX aggregators, while Vision Chain is presented as an Ethereum-based Layer-2 with compliance tools suitable for tokenisation and institutional on-chain activity. The VSN token serves as the unifying token that powers rewards, governance, and participation across the ecosystem.  Staking VSN enables users to earn rewards, and in the future, owners of VSN may access early launchpad rounds, participate in governance, and benefit from Bitpanda's loyalty programmes. Its tokenomics include a dynamic emission model that will be governed by token holders, a distribution structure designed to prioritise circulating supply and revenue flows, such as buybacks and programme funding, managed by the Vision Web3 Foundation. Together, these components form what Bitpanda describes as a connected Web3 environment where user activity reinforces the growth and utility of the network. Supporting links Stabull Finance Vision Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.  

Canopy Network powers the peer-to-peer launchpad for new application-specific chains. Built on a recursive architecture, applications bootstrap each other into independence, forming an unstoppable web of utility and security. Why you should listen Canopy Network is a blockchain project designed to help teams build their own independent blockchains that are connected to a wider network. Instead of forcing many applications to share the same chain, Canopy allows each application to run on its own dedicated chain while still being part of a shared ecosystem. This structure is intended to give applications more control over how they operate, including performance, rules, and economics. The network is built so that these individual chains, called Nested Chains, can connect to one another and share security and resources when needed. Canopy provides a common framework and base network that helps new chains launch and operate without relying on centralized services. Participants such as validators and delegators help secure the network by staking the Canopy token, which supports the operation of active chains. Canopy Network aims to make it easier for developers to launch scalable, independent blockchains without the limitations of shared infrastructure. The project's stated goal is to support a growing ecosystem of applications that can operate autonomously while still benefiting from being part of a broader decentralized network, enabling long-term growth and flexibility for blockchain-based products and services. Supporting links Stabull Finance Canopy Network Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin   If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.  

James Ashton is a former Chelsea FC and Premier League footballer turned gamer. He is the Founder & CEO of Planet-X  and Core Contributor to Gallaxia. Why you should listen Gallaxia is a gaming and entertainment studio built on its own blockchain infrastructure, designed so that gamers, creators, and community members can hold shared ownership in the ecosystem. The project positions this model as an alternative to traditional centralized publishers, with its blockchain serving as the underlying system for game assets, rewards, and participation rights. James says it has brought on 50 co-owners made up of professional gamers and digital creators. Collectively, these creators are said to have an audience reach of over 200 million followers and more than 30 billion total video views across their channels. Gallaxia presents this creator network as a built-in distribution and engagement engine for the games and products developed within the ecosystem. Gallaxia is developing a suite of games, including a location-based mobile title involving treasure hunting and extraction-style gameplay, a hyper-casual game called One Pixel, and additional console and PC titles planned for future release. The ecosystem also includes the Gallaxium Bar, a digital asset that grants holders co-ownership rights and a share of proceeds generated by Gallaxia's games and related products, alongside a native token used within the platform. Supporting links Stabull Finance Gallaxia Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin   If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.  

Haven is a blockchain ecosystem based on the foundations of anonymity and authenticated ownership. Using real and continuous biometric authentication it verifies that the user is the true authenticated owner at all times. It protects users from fraud, loss, and impersonation by making your face the ultimate key. No passwords, no seed phrases, no risks of theft. Why you should listen Haven is building what it calls the world's first blockchain ecosystem powered by continuous biometric authentication. Instead of relying on passwords, seed phrases, or private keys, Haven ties wallet access directly to an encrypted, live biometric signature — essentially letting users interact with the blockchain simply by being themselves. The goal is to make digital ownership feel seamless and secure, removing one of the biggest points of friction in Web3: losing or managing keys. At the heart of the project is the Haven Blockchain, designed so every wallet and transaction is verified through the user's biometric identity. This creates a user experience where onboarding is immediate, recovery is intuitive, and security is built in from the ground up. Haven's approach also aims to bridge mainstream audiences into Web3 by offering familiar, easy-to-use authentication rather than complex crypto tooling. Haven is also positioning itself as a developer-friendly platform. Through Open Layer — their upcoming development environment — builders will be able to create dApps that automatically inherit Haven's secure, biometric-first design. Their roadmap includes the Haven Wallet & App launch in October 2025, followed by a pre-ICO in November and a full blockchain release in 2026, promising a growing ecosystem built around identity-native Web3 experiences. Supporting links Stabull Finance Haven Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.

Bill Dafflon is Co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of Wondera.AI, an AI music company backed by leading Silicon Valley venture capital firms. Bill is currently an investor in WebX, the world's first Bitcoin Accumulation Company (BAC). Why you should listen WebX International Holdings Limited began its journey in manufacturing — transforming raw materials into value. Today, that same spirit of transformation drives the company towards a new frontier: computation power. Around the world, computation resources are abundant yet scattered — powerful, but often idle or misallocated. WebX saw an opportunity: to turn this fragmented infrastructure into a connected, efficient, and finance-enabled network. Evolving from a textile innovator into a computing-power pioneer, WebX builds the systems that convert energy and computation into digital value — redefining how infrastructure powers growth in the digital age. Backed by world-class partners across finance, technology, and blockchain, WebX connects global capital with computation power — unlocking transparent, sustainable, and enduring value creation. Digital asset treasury companies are booming, but WebX is taking a very different path. Instead of raising capital to buy and hold Bitcoin, the company accumulates BTC directly through operational revenue and targeted investments—feeding value back into the Bitcoin ecosystem over time. After securing an account with a regulated Hong Kong crypto trading provider, WebX recently completed its first Bitcoin purchase, fully funded from internal resources. The company's strategy addresses a major problem in the Digital Asset Treasury (DAT) sector. More than 100 publicly traded firms now hold Bitcoin and other digital assets, but most do so passively. Without income-generating operations tied to their treasury, traditional DATs rely heavily on external fundraising—often at inflated market prices—which dilutes shareholders and collapses in bear markets. WebX's active accumulation model avoids these pitfalls by using its own operating business to steadily buy BTC. Supporting links Stabull Finance WebX Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.

Harvey Liu is the CEO at LeveX, a crypto exchange built by traders who believe that sharing strategies and successful trades builds a stronger community where everyone wins. Why you should listen ​​LeveX is a centralized cryptocurrency exchange that launched in 2023. It offers a wide array of trading options — spot and perpetual futures — across hundreds of coins and trading pairs to serve both casual and advanced crypto traders.  What sets LeveX apart is its emphasis on community-driven trading rather than treating every user as a lone investor. The platform integrates a social feed where traders can share strategies, follow experienced peers, and learn from the community instead of going it alone. On top of that, there are extra features like regular trading tournaments, educational content, and a "creator following" system that brings market analysis and real-time trade insights from seasoned traders right into the interface.  LeveX offers serious logical advantages: very competitive fee structure (makers can pay as little as 0.0060% under their VIP program), transparent operations (including a public "proof-of-reserves" policy), and advanced order/position tools. Their "multi-trade" system is especially appealing for seasoned traders: you can hold multiple, independent positions on the same trading pair — with different leverage, margin, and risk settings — which allows for hedging, scaling in/out, or running parallel strategies in a way few other exchanges offer. Supporting links Stabull Finance LeveX Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.  

Jack Cameron is the co-founder of CreatorFi, a unified platform for creative capital, partnerships, and growth enablement to help the world's best creators Why you should listen CreatorFi is a financing platform developed by the team behind Insomnia Labs, designed to provide working capital to digital creators across categories such as YouTube, music, and user-generated gaming platforms like Roblox. The product emerged after multi-channel networks and creator organizations—including Yoola, which represents around 3,000 creators—approached Insomnia seeking a more efficient way to lend against creators' digital earnings. CreatorFi underwrites assets such as YouTube channels, music catalogs, and in-game item sales, determining how much a creator earns and how much can be advanced to them. The platform uses machine-learning models to evaluate creator data, behavioral patterns, and catalog performance to generate risk-adjusted financing offers. Because digital earnings can be redirected at the platform level, CreatorFi operates as a receivables-based lender—allowing repayments to occur in real time and reducing risk for liquidity providers. Underwriting challenges vary by vertical: YouTube and Roblox offer relatively clean data streams, while music earnings require additional normalization due to fragmented reporting systems. CreatorFi issues advances and repayments primarily in USDC and operates on Aptos, selected for its native USDC support, low transaction fees, and robust on-/off-ramp payment infrastructure. This stablecoin-based system enables faster, lower-cost global payments, particularly benefiting creators in regions where FX conversion fees can exceed 70%. CreatorFi has active partnerships with YouTube networks, music distributors, and Roblox studios, and the company is expanding its origination capacity following a newly announced $2 million strategic partnership with Aptos, with additional creator-focused partnerships planned. Supporting links Stabull Finance Creator Finance Andy on Twitter  Brave New Coin on Twitter Brave New Coin   If you enjoyed the show please subscribe to the Crypto Conversation and give us a 5-star rating and a positive review in whatever podcast app you are using.