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This week on Swimming with Allocators, Frank Mihail describes his path from oil and gas engineering to real estate, wealth management, institutional investing, and his current role as CIO of North Dakota Board of University and School Lands. The roughly $9 billion portfolio is supported in part by revenue from state-owned land, including oil royalties, which Mihail says can help cushion market declines. Because the fund has no pension liabilities and a perpetual time horizon, it can take a long-term approach while keeping its investments concentrated and manageable for a lean three-person team. Mihail explains how he uses a two-meeting education-and-approval process with the elected board, relies on external commingled funds to simplify operations, and uses consultants or fund-of-funds when they provide access to smaller managers. The conversation also explores infrastructure and rising energy demand from data centers, the evolution of alternatives in public plans, and the scarcity value of sports teams. Also, Shane Goudey of Sidley describes how legal counsel can provide fund managers with proactive business guidance and legal support.
Highlights from this week’s conversation include:
Frank’s Career Path From Oil And Gas To Institutional Investing (1:02)
Why Frank Joined North Dakota Trust Lands (2:54)
Lessons From New Mexico’s More Mature Program (4:46)
Building a Venture Portfolio With Fewer Line Items (6:33)
Oil Royalties, Portfolio Risk, and the 2022 Downturn (9:32)
Board Approval, Due Diligence, and Public Records (12:33)
Running a $9 Billion Portfolio With a Lean Team (14:32)
Using Consultants and Fund-of-Funds Managers (16:50)
Selecting Consultants and Evaluating Emerging Managers (26:38)
Alternatives in Personal Wealth Portfolios (28:25)
Market Cycles, Skepticism, and Staying Invested (31:02)
Infrastructure, Data Centers, and Long-Term Energy Demand (32:53)
The History of Alternatives and Venture Allocations (38:07)
Strategies Frank Wants to See More Of (42:03)
Final Thoughts and Takeaways (44:01)
North Dakota Trust Lands manages 2.6 million mineral acres, 700,000 surface acres and 13 permanent education trusts, including the Common Schools Trust Fund currently valued at over $8.8 billion as of Feb 2026. North Dakota Trust Lands operates under the direction of the five-member North Dakota Board of University and School Lands, chaired by the governor of North Dakota. Mineral royalty income, agricultural rents and easement revenues from state-owned lands are invested to provide income and grow trusts to benefit education now and for future generations. Since 2014, the Common Schools Trust Fund has distributed more than $2 billion to K-12 education, reducing the burden on local property taxpayers and the state’s general fund. During the 2025-2027 biennium, the Common Schools Trust Fund will distribute $585 million, translating to approximately $2,508 in funding per K-12 student and making up 24% of state funding share.
Sidley Austin LLP is a premier global law firm with a dedicated Venture Funds practice, advising top venture capital firms, institutional investors, and private equity sponsors on fund formation, investment structuring, and regulatory compliance. With deep expertise across private markets, Sidley provides strategic legal counsel to help funds scale effectively. Learn more at sidley.com.
Swimming with Allocators is a podcast that dives into the intriguing world of Venture Capital from an LP (Limited Partner) perspective. Hosts Alexa Binns and Earnest Sweat are seasoned professionals who have donned various hats in the VC ecosystem. Each episode, we explore where the future opportunities lie in the VC landscape with insights from top LPs on their investment strategies and industry experts shedding light on emerging trends and technologies.
The information provided on this podcast does not, and is not intended to, constitute legal advice; instead, all information, content, and materials available on this podcast are for general informational purposes only.
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