Episode 783 | Bootstrapping ScrapingBee to $5M ARR and an 8-Figure Exit

When is the right time to sell your profitable SaaS? In this week's episode, Rob Walling talks with Pierre de Wulf, co-founder of ScrapingBee, about how they mostly bootstrapped their web scraping SaaS to $5 million ARR and an eight-figure all-cash exit. They explore the pivotal shift that took them from $7K MRR to nearly $1M ARR in just 15 months, what Pierre splurged on post-exit, and the emotional, legal, and strategic complexities of selling a company. Topics we cover:  (3:31) – Why they chose to sell (5:41) – Post-exit emotions and celebrations (9:57) – Lessons from failed startups before ScrapingBee (13:16) – From 8k to $1m ARR in 15 months (17:14) – Building a scalable SEO content engine (29:19) – Handling a major cease-and-desist Links from the Show:  MicroConf Connect MicroConf Talk by Pierre de Wulf The Java Web Scraping Handbook ScrapingBee Blog TinySeed Discretion Capital Pierre de Wulf (@PierreDeWulf) | X Pierre de Wulf | LinkedIn If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

Looking back on your entrepreneurship journey, which decisions made the biggest impact? In this solo episode, Rob Walling breaks down the 10 decisions that shaped his success, like choosing action over perfection, learning fast from failure, and building a financial cushion to take smarter risks. It’s an honest look at what worked and the choices that made the biggest difference. Topics we cover:  (2:53) – Stop reading, start shipping (4:48) – Learn from mistakes and change course (6:47) – Build a financial cushion (8:38) – Write publicly about your journey (13:04) – Make bigger, but manageable bets (15:21) – Embrace the unsexy, grindy work (18:05) – Identify blind spots to grow faster (19:39) – Set clear goals and stick to them (21:26) – Know when to persist, pivot, or quit (24:40) – Don’t make decisions in emotional moments Links from the Show:  MicroConf Connect Start Small, Stay Small Comic Lab Podcast  TinySeed Institute If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

Are you repeating any of these mistakes in your business?  In this episode, Rob Walling walks through his ‘founder regret list’, detailing 12 key mistakes from his 20-year entrepreneurial journey. In this very personal episode, he tells some stories he’s never shared publicly before. Topics we cover:  (4:17) – Thinking venture capital was the only path (6:12) – Launching without validating the idea (9:26) – Choosing ideas that couldn’t be bootstrapped (12:48) – Relying too much on books (16:36) – Trying to do everything solo (21:10) – The arrival fallacy (23:19) – Delaying email list growth (25:51) – Taking random advice too seriously (28:43) – Overestimating skills after early wins (30:29) – Letting anxiety steal the joy from success (32:34) – Not letting wins build confidence (33:50) – Holding onto a scarcity mindset Links from the Show:  TinySeed Institute Sponsor the Podcast or MicroConf Start Small, Stay Small The SaaS Playbook Zero to Sold by Arvid Kahl If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

What if your biggest growth blocker isn’t the market, but the story you’re telling yourself? In this episode, Rob Walling welcomes back fan favorite Ruben Gamez, founder of SignWell, to debunk common bootstrapper myths. They discuss misconceptions like never needing to sell your company or market your product, and emphasize the realities of growth plateaus, business valuation, and exit strategies. Topics we cover:  (4:50) – I’ll never sell my company (11:40) – I can just coast on profit forever (21:48) – I’m built differently, so I don’t need to market (31:54) – Building many tiny projects is a strategy (34:46) – It’s all about luck Links from the Show:  Invest in TinySeed Fund 3 Ruben Gamez (@earthlingworks) | X SignWell Ruben Gamez | LinkedIn MicroConf YouTube Channel If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

Are common SaaS myths sabotaging your success? In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with SaaS growth expert (and TinySeed Institute coach) Marc Thomas to break down ten persistent and damaging myths believed by many SaaS founders and why challenging them is key to scaling smart. Topics we cover:  (4:52) – “I’m not good at marketing” is a lie (8:48) – Top-of-funnel obsession (13:12) – Lifetime affiliate payouts = profit killers (18:21) – Hiring a marketing team too soon (21:52) – Chasing new markets too early (25:08) – Fear of sending more email (27:36) – Chasing shiny growth hacks like programmatic SEO (31:14) – Dismissing sales in favor of only self-serve (35:10) – Avoiding competitor content out of fear Links from the Show:  MicroConf Europe – September 28–30 · Istanbul, Türkiye TinySeed SaaS Institute Positive Human Marc Thomas | LinkedIn Marc Thomas’ LinkedIn post on 10 SaaS Myths If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

How do you price pilot projects and niche down without hedging your bets? In this episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about pricing pilots, choosing niches, and skipping steps on his Stair Step Method of Bootstrapping.  Want to get your question answered? Drop them here. Topics we cover:  (3:25) – Feedback on Season 4 of TinySeed Tales (8:55) – How do you price pilot projects? (15:11) – How to niche down and de-risking a new SaaS? (22:40) – What does it really take to build a hit open-source tool? (29:53) – Can you skip straight to SaaS or is that a trap? Links from the Show:  MicroConf Connect: Online community of SaaS founders TinySeed Tales Podcast Startup Stories Podcast Stair Step Method of Bootstrapping If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

What if the traditional dream of retirement is actually a trap for entrepreneurs? In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Derek Coburn, author of Let’s Retire Retirement: How to Enjoy Life to the Fullest, to challenge the long-held belief that early retirement is the ultimate goal. They explore why many entrepreneurs feel unfulfilled after retiring and how shifting toward purpose-driven work can create more freedom, meaning, and longevity. Topics we cover:  (2:17) – Why traditional retirement often leads to boredom and regret (6:44) – How working longer can drastically reduce your savings burden (11:05) – The power of $50K moments and appreciating time with loved ones (17:03) – Prioritizing health and well-being as a long-term strategy (21:42) – Smarter and more flexible alternatives to full retirement Links from the Show:  MicroConf Europe – September 28–30 · Istanbul, Türkiye TinySeed – Invest Let’s Retire Retirement – Book on Amazon Derek Coburn’s Website Derek Coburn | LinkedIn Derek Coburn (@cadredc) | X If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

What’s it take to bootstrap a niche SaaS to $90M without raising a dime? In this episode, Kevin Wagstaff joins Rob Walling to share how he and his brother bootstrapped Spectora from a scrappy MVP to a $90M valuation. It’s a masterclass in finding traction in unsexy markets, building with empathy, and making smart bets like embedded payments. Topics we cover:  (4:39) – The surreal moment Kevin and his brother became multimillionaires (9:14) – Why a mobile-first approach won in an outdated, overlooked niche (17:39) – How adding payments created a second revenue stream and bigger valuation (20:36) – The early hustle: trade shows, 6 AM demos, and Facebook group tactics Links from the Show:  SaaS Launchpad Course MicroConf Kevin Wagstaff | LinkedIn Kevin Wagstaff (@KevinWagstaff3) | X Spectora Kevin’s Built to Sell Radio Episode If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

What shortcuts are actually worth taking when you're building a SaaS? In this episode, Rob Walling and fan favorite Derrick Reimer delve into listener questions about startup development. They discuss the impact of AI coding tools on building minimum viable products (MVPs) and the importance of user experience (UX) with advice on balancing UX investment based on the product's nature.  You’ll also hear a breakdown of the real costs of leaving the cloud, plus tips on email deliverability and validation. Throughout, they highlight how validating ideas through user feedback and research is still critical, no matter how fast you build. Episode Sponsor: This podcast is brought to you by Mercury. I've been banking with Mercury for years and whenever I set up a new account, I'm reminded why traditional banking feels stuck in the past.  When our previous bank faced solvency issues, we needed to spin up new accounts quickly that could handle millions in funds across multiple businesses. Mercury had us up and running almost immediately. I manage half a dozen different Mercury accounts across a wide range of companies – from my personal, single-member LLC to MicroConf, our 7-figure global events and education platform, to TinySeed, our venture fund and accelerator. Mercury easily handles them all. The interface is elegantly simple for daily banking, paying invoices, and sending and receiving international wires, yet powerful enough to handle the multi-step approval processes we needed to put in place when funding founders with large transfers.  Anytime founders ask me who they should set up their accounts with, I send them to mercury.com. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group, Column N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust; Members FDIC. Topics we cover:  (4:55) – How AI coding tools are changing the MVP timeline (16:11) – When UX design actually matters (and when it doesn’t) (23:47) – Should you ditch cloud hosting for your own servers? (32:38) – Pro tips on email deliverability and keeping out of spam folders Links from the Show:  SaaS Launchpad Course MicroConf Remote | May 21, 2025 Windsurf AI Editor SavvyCal Derrick Reimer | LinkedIn Derrick Reimer (@derrickreimer) | X If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Noah Tucker, the non-technical founder behind Social Snowball, an affiliate marketing SaaS built for Shopify. Noah bootstrapped the company to $5M+ in ARR, navigating technical roadblocks, team-building hurdles, and a crumbling codebase, while leveraging bold growth tactics like influencer partnerships to scale fast. Topics we cover:  (3:26) – Spotting the gap in affiliate tools for creators (7:09) – The agency MVP failure and early dev misfires (11:15) – Losing a CTO to priesthood  (16:33) – How influencer partnerships fueled fast early growth (30:12) – Hiring a world-class CTO and engineering team Links from the Show:  Discretion Capital MicroConf Remote | May 21, 2025 TinySeed Noah Tucker | LinkedIn Noah Tucker (@noatuck) | X If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify