AI, IP, And The New Marketing Rules With Sharon Toerek

We talk with Lynn Ward about why marketing is shifting from search and retrieve to solve my problem, and why speed is becoming the moat for agencies and clients alike. We break down what AI-first agencies are building right now to protect conversions, reduce bottlenecks, and stay visible as web traffic and SEO change.• search behavior shifting as ChatGPT and other LLMs absorb intent• speed as the new moat for agencies and operators• why agency pricing based on headcount starts to fail• practical case studies like instant quoting and support automation• building a data room as the foundation for AI systems• using AI chatbots to capture real customer questions and drive content• data governance, privacy, and shadow AI risks inside companies• how we use ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, and Perplexity differently• lead gen fading while brand building and microinfluencer content rise• YouTube Shorts as a visibility lever for LLM citationsGuest Contact Information: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lenwardhttps://commexis.com/More from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

Matthew Bertram sits down with David Albert of CRO Metrics to unpack what is actually changing across SEO, AEO, GEO, LLM visibility, and the modern stack as tools like Claude Code make custom apps and automations feel effortless.• the shift from bloated martech stacks to custom AI middleware and small internal apps • why compliance, governance, and shadow AI access are now daily marketing risks • using guardrails and shared boilerplates to democratize internal tool building • turning years of experiment data into RAG search and predictive CRO scoring • how SEO, AI visibility, and paid traffic performance depend on on-site conversion work • practical signs a site needs CRO even when the ask is “more leads” • a modern definition of CRO built on statistical validation and incrementality • starter tools and simple first tests like headlines, CTAs, trust signals, and form friction Guest Contact Information: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidpaulalberthttps://crometrics.com/More from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We dive into how AI is reshaping marketing law and what agencies can do today to protect work, clients, and brand trust. Sharon Toerek shares a practical playbook for policies, contracts, and IP strategy while courts and states sort out the rules.• AI ownership and liability questions for agencies• Copyright cases on training data and outputs• State patchwork versus federal pressure on AI rules• Practical guardrails and written AI policies• Contract terms for AI use, warranties, and indemnities• Insurance stack realities and cyber coverage gaps• SEO, watermarks, and useful AI content• IP triangle: trademarks, copyrights, trade secrets• Attribution limits and proving substantial similarity• Authenticity, disclosure, and consumer trust• Refreshing contracts and policies more oftenGuest Contact Information: Website: legalandcreative.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/sharontoerekMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We trace the fast shift from link-based search to AI-generated answers and show how that change reshapes content, measurement, and strategy. Connor Kimball of Cairrot shares data on LLM traffic surges, concrete AEO tactics, and how unified analytics reveals brand lift beyond referral clicks.• AI search replacing link lists with answers• AEO as the method, LLM visibility as the metric• Informational traffic down, transactional content up• Comparison and battle-card pages driving citations• GA4 and GSC integration for unified insights• Measuring halo effects across direct and organic• E‑E‑A‑T signals across site and profiles• Partner ecosystems and regulated-industry expertise• From LLM visibility to multimodal AI visibility• Agents and automated reporting speeding decisionsGuest Contact Information: Website: connorkimball.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/connor-kimballInstagram: instagram.com/connorkimballFacebook: facebook.com/connor.kimballMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We cut through AI hype to show what actually scales: disciplined ops, brand-led content, and a practical framework for awareness, nurturing, and trust. Eric Huberman shares Hawk Media’s scaling lessons, where AI helps, where it hurts, and how to build a moat in a noisy market.• LLM shifts to persona-first, Q&A-led visibility• AI as acceleration, not strategy replacement• Hiring and tooling only with clear business cases• Lean tech stack choices that reduce complexity• Brand as the moat in a copycat software world• Branded entertainment and YouTube as growth engines• Limits of synthetic audiences and AI-looking creative• Deepfakes, eroding trust, and authentic messaging• The Hawk Method: awareness, nurturing, trust• Channels that scale for B2B and B2C performance—----------Guest Contact Information: Website: erikhuberman.comInstagram: instagram.com/erikhubermanLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/erikhubermanYouTube: youtube.comMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We push past rankings and traffic to map the real skills SEOs need to influence AI answers. Duane Forrester explains the machine layer, vector embeddings, semantic density, and why structured data is a must if you want reliable retrieval.• AI reshapes marketing and elevates SEO’s role across the business• Good SEO foundations as the prerequisite for AI performance• Writing for chunks with high semantic density• Structured data and entity clarity to validate facts• Vector embeddings as the new alignment target• KPIs beyond rankings: retrieval confidence and zero‑click presence• Why LLMs.txt lacks adoption and what matters instead• Practical tracking of AI answers and trend analysis• The gap between search engines and LLM information retrieval• Learning paths to keep pace with faster platform updatesGuest Contact Information: Website: duaneforrester.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dforresterTwitter/X: x.com/DuaneForresterMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We unpack how search is changing as LLMs reshape discovery and why revenue, not rankings, should anchor your strategy. Corey Morris joins Matt to map a practical path: entity clarity, brand differentiation, GA4 fixes, and forward-looking KPIs that speak C-suite.• shifting from keyword rankings to revenue KPIs• LLM visibility layered on modern SEO foundations• entity clarity, consistent data, and brand trust• quality content over AI slop with lived expertise• GA4 configuration and custom attribution• dashboards that follow dollars not vanity metrics• podcasts and thought leadership as ROI channels• forecasting, risk assumptions, and boardroom languageGuest Contact Information: Website: coreymorris.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/coreymorrisMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We unpack how AI finally lets marketers count what matters, why attribution is broken across platforms, and how to use behavioral insight and benchmarking to choose better bets. We share a simple playbook: listen in niche communities, test in organic, scale what pops, and measure outcomes not vanity.• AI compressing the cost of data integration and analysis• Platform bias, privacy limits and pixel gaps in attribution• Traffic down, leads up as signal quality improves• Behavioral personas outperforming demographic personas• Niche communities seeding mainstream trends with delay• Organic as a testbed to inform paid investments• Benchmarking growth against the category, not just yourself• Operational discipline for clean data and controlled spend• Directional signals over false precision to act fasterGuest Contact Information: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/charliegrinnellWebsite: rightmetric.coInstagram: instagram.com/charliegrinnellTwitter/X: x.com/CharlieGrinnellMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show

We unpack how search is shifting from blue links to AI-driven answers and why clean data, focused positioning, and public citations now decide who gets recommended. Solomon Timothy joins us to share practical frameworks for AEO, prompt mapping, and measurable AI visibility.• why prompts replace keywords across the funnel• how to make content machine-readable with schema and FAQs• why entity clarity and niche focus boost trust• media, podcasts, YouTube, and press as authority signals• differences between AI Overviews, ChatGPT, and Perplexity• tracking prompts, mentions, and reverse engineering citations• fixing iframes and technical blockers to visibility• building internal tools while the market matures• what to measure before and after AI visibility work• practical wins for local and niche brandsGuest Contact Information: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/solomonthimothyWebsite: thimothy.comYouTube: youtube.com/c/ClickxioInstagram: instagram.com/sthimothyTwitter/X: x.com/sthimothyMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: Support the show

We argue that SEO isn’t dying; bad SEO is. Fundamentals still drive wins while LLMs change how answers surface, making complete, original content and smart strategy more valuable than ever.• fundamentals over fads as LLMs shift discovery• why pages beyond top ten fuel LLM citations• customer journey, CRO, PR, and dev fluency as real leverage• global markets with lower competition and faster output• enterprise constraints, silos, and when to say no• partnerships over one‑stop shops to deliver depth• personalization pitfalls in tracking and sane KPI alignment• future of agents, multimodal search, and offline attentionGuest Contact Information: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kresimir-corlukaWebsite: canonical.hrSummit: croatiaseosummit.comMore from EWR and Matthew:Leave us a review wherever you listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon PodcastFree SEO Consultation: www.ewrdigital.com/discovery-callWith over 5 million downloads, The Best SEO Podcast has been the go-to show for digital marketers, business owners, and entrepreneurs wanting real-world strategies to grow online. Now, host Matthew Bertram — creator of LLM Visibility™ and the LLM Visibility Stack™, and Lead Strategist at EWR Digital — takes the conversation beyond traditional SEO into the AI era of discoverability. Each week, Matthew dives into the tactics, frameworks, and insights that matter most in a world where search engines, large language models, and answer engines are reshaping how people find, trust, and choose businesses. From SEO and AI-driven marketing to executive-level growth strategy, you’ll hear expert interviews, deep-dive discussions, and actionable strategies to help you stay ahead of the curve. Find more episodes here: youtube.com/@BestSEOPodcastbestseopodcast.combestseopodcast.buzzsprout.comFollow us on:Facebook: @bestseopodcastInstagram: @thebestseopodcastTiktok: @bestseopodcastLinkedIn: @bestseopodcastConnect With Matthew Bertram: Website: www.matthewbertram.comInstagram: @matt_bertram_liveLinkedIn: @mattbertramlivePowered by: ewrdigital.comSupport the show