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This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. Trying to manage the mind is like trying to get dry in the shower without turning the water off. What if the biggest shifts in life don’t come from trying to improve your mindset, but from understanding something far more fundamental about how the mind actually works? This episode it's taken from a recording where Piers  was on the Deadlines and Details podcast which is hosted by Matt Barrington Packer, who came on the Quality of Mind Open Programme in March 2025  Matt shares how Quality of Mind changed his life, after years of trying to stay calm, stay focused, or stay in control, he finally saw something upstream of all of that: a deeper layer of mind that changes everything from the inside out. No techniques, no hacks, no effort — just a shift in understanding that made the world look and feel different. Together, they explore what sits behind this kind of real-world change, how it becomes practical without being prescriptive, and why so many people sense this truth long before they have language for it. This episode explores: The “aperture of mind” and why the same situation can feel totally different from one moment to the next Flow, ease and clarity as natural by-products of a less self-identified mind Why the mind’s “unreliable narrator” creates so much unnecessary pressure The role of sensation, story and selfing in shaping our experience Why mindset tools and techniques only ever offer partial relief How insight — not effort — leads to real and sustainable transformation What this understanding offers leaders, teams and anyone wanting a more easeful way of being Why this episode matters: This is not a story about willpower or mental strategies. It’s a simple, grounded exploration of what changes in everyday life when someone begins to understand the mind before psychology — and why that understanding is so relevant for today’s world of constant change, ambiguity, and cognitive load. Matt actually called this episode on his show. “Is This It?” Mid-Life, Burnout & The Truth About How Your Mind Really Works Resources Mentioned / Useful Links Connect with Matt here.  Explore Find all things Quality of Mind www.qualityofmind.biz  3-minute Quality of Mind Quiz Short Course https://qualityofmind.online/courses/qomaudiointrocourse/ YouTube Explainer — What is Before Psychology? here Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.   “You Can’t Train Flow — You Can Only Stop Interrupting It”   🧭 Episode Summary In this special episode, the tables turn — Piers becomes the guest. Joined by friend and regular contributor Craig Willman, he explores what happens when the principles of Quality of Mind are taken out of the conversation room and onto the road — quite literally. After saying yes to a 750km cycling challenge from Milan to Rome, Piers explores with his years of understanding “Before Psychology,” how the mind can still weave its illusions — of fear, striving, and self-doubt. What unfolds is a personal, honest and often funny exploration of how the illusion of self, the myth of control, and the nature of flow play out in real life. If this conversation sparked something in you — whether you’re a leader, a creator, or simply someone curious about what’s before the mind — explore more at qualityofmind.biz. And if you’d like to support the Ride25 fundraising for 1MoreChild, visit the link  🧭 What you’ll hear  A personal story of saying “yes” to a challenge for aliveness, not ego. How the Quality of Mind realization of Real but Never True applies when your legs burn or a descent feels scary. Why experts “see” fewer hazards—and how that translates to leadership. What flow actually feels like on the bike and a simple, everyday way to notice what doesn’t come and go—without a bike or Italy 🚲 If you’re a cyclist (new to Quality of Mind) You’ll get: A relatable breakdown of the mental side of riding: climbs, descents, headwinds, skills. How perception (your “aperture”) can make a hill look steeper—or simpler—without changing your fitness. A practical pointer to find more calm and flow on rides and in life, with no hacks or rituals. 🧠 If you’re a Quality of Mind regular You’ll hear: Lived examples of Before Psychology in a “physical” domain. Subtle ego re-appearances (“managing the cyclist” vs training the body). Oneness & flow as non-identification, not state chasing. How the ego subtly reappears as the voice of “trying your hardest.” What “real but never true” means when your legs are burning on a climb. Why flow can’t be trained — only revealed by stopping interference. How the same insight that transforms leadership also transforms cycling. And why aliveness doesn’t come from comfort or discomfort — but from seeing what’s truly before both. It’s a personal glimpse behind the mic — a lived demonstration of what “Before Psychology” looks like when rubber meets the road. And if you’d like to support the Ride25 fundraising for 1MoreChild, visit the link    Explore more Quality of Mind resources: www.qualityofmind.biz – Find all things Quality of Mind Video: Why Do We Describe Quality of Mind as Before Psychology? — clear short intro Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. 🧭 Episode Summary In this open and thought-provoking episode, Piers welcomes Adam Shuty to discuss his diverse journey from martial arts, to standup comedy, and his current enterprise, Everest Longevity. Having explored decades of personal development, performance psychology, and transformation work, Adam wanted to know: What exactly is this “Before Psychology” thing? His immediate resonance with the conversation signalled there was more to see.  What unfolds is a live exploration and inquiry looking fresh to see what sits beyond all methods and mindsets. The Discussion Covers The case of mistaken identity — why believing we are a separate “me” is the root illusion behind all striving. The sky and the weather — a simple metaphor for understanding awareness and thought. ''Real but never true'' — how experience can feel vividly real yet not be fundamentally true or causal. From trying to flow — why the intelligence of life does better work when we stop trying to manage our minds. Direct experience inquiry — how to look freshly, without concepts, and glimpse what never comes or goes. Practical implications — what happens to leadership, relationships, and even financial legacy when we see who we truly are.   0:00 Introduction to Quality of Mind 01:05 Adam's Journey, Philosophy and Career 07:00 Exploring the Concept of Quality of Mind 07:27 The Secret Sauce to Unlocking Potential 16:31 The Case of Mistaken Identity 18:37 The Nature of Human Experience 22:12 The Illusion of Separate Self 36:29 Understanding Time Perception 37:10 The Evolution of Life and Perception 38:27 The Case of Mistaken Identity 40:40 The Concept of the True Self 43:06 Realizing the True Self 44:57 Practical Applications and Realizations 48:52 The Path to Realization 51:01 Direct Experience and Awareness 66:06 Final Thoughts and Deciding We a Need Part 2!   ✉️ Connect & Learn More  Adam's website and profile and  Explore more Quality of Mind resources: www.qualityofmind.biz – Find all things Quality of Mind Video: Why Do We Describe Quality of Mind as Before Psychology? — clear short intro Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. 🧭 Episode Summary In this practical-meets-profound conversation, Piers welcomes back Craig to explore how people can genuinely love the work part of work—not by adding hacks and perks, but by subtracting what obscures our natural flow. Craig shares his new venture, Love Your Work, and a simple doorway into effortless productivity: Rather than pushing or “trying harder,” we explore how work becomes energising when the self isn’t busy resisting or controlling. Expect a grounded entry point that naturally points upstream to the deeper Before Psychology understanding—so the benefits don’t stop at a better half-hour block, they recalibrate how you work and live. We cover: Subtraction over addition: Why real engagement comes from removing friction, not adding pool tables, perks, or more process. The OFF Method: A practical way to turn everyday tasks and meetings into “objective meditation”—revealing the system’s built-in intelligence. From trying to allowing: How “trying” creates dissatisfaction and worse results, while allowing reveals presence, ease, and better outcomes. Aperture & flow at work: Why the same spreadsheet can feel draining one day and enlivening the next—clue: it’s not the spreadsheet. Art, sport & emergence: Brilliance arrives when the personal self steps aside  From practice to default: Start with a doorway like OFF; let it point you to upstream seeing so flow becomes the baseline, not a borrowed state. 🔎 For listeners who: Sense there’s more to work than grinding—and want results with ease, not instead of ease. Lead teams and are tired of context-switching, Slack pings, and “performative productivity.” Want a non-woo, practical entry to deeper insight that actually improves delivery, wellbeing, and culture. Are curious about non-duality/Before Psychology but prefer a work-first, lived experience 🧩 Mentioned in the episode Love Your Work — Craig’s new venture (how to make work itself your source of wellbeing). The OFF Method (Objective • Focus • Flow) — simple instructions, profound implications. Aperture / Self-identification / Is-ness — the upstream principles behind effortless performance. Cold-shower / Urge-surfing analogy — leaning into sensation vs. conceptualising it. The Meta Realisation: The source of all lack of flow = Self identification  ✉️ Connect & Learn More from Craig Craig's Love your Work Website The highly recommended Meaningless Problems podcast that Craig has created. Remember to check out the Forced Episode Craig's Linkedin Profile 💻 Explore more Quality of Mind resources: www.qualityofmind.biz – Find all things Quality of Mind Video: Why Do We Describe Quality of Mind as Before Psychology? — clear 2-min intro Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself

From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast   Quality of Mind unlocks the Secret Source to more performance, peace and potential. But it does it in a very transformative, sustainable way, by explore 'Before Psychology'  - What is that, and does it help? Listen here Please leave any feedback or comments on the podcast, and if you want to ask a question please do so here https://sayhi.chat/QoM - we'd love to hear from you!!   Curious - want to know more? Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind   Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of posts

SNIPPETS From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast Part of our 'Not Even 5 Mins Series' Ep 14:  ''A Business Owner Reflects on the Real Impact of Quality of Mind (5min)   What if the life you thought was already great… could feel even more alive, connected, and easeful? In this short testimonial episode, Chris, a successful business owner, shares how the Quality of Mind programme revealed a whole new way of being. Not by adding tools or strategies, but by subtracting the misunderstandings that cloud our experience, and how he wishes he'd done it sooner in life Listen in as he reflects on: • The surprising difference he felt • Why even “perfect” lives can feel more free • Amplified his sense of peace and connection • Made time alone something to savour • Helped him show up in life and work with more presence and joy A beautifully grounded and human account of what becomes possible when we see Before Psychology. Please leave any feedback or comments on the podcast, and if you want to ask a question please do so here https://sayhi.chat/QoM - we'd love to hear from you!!  Curious - want to know more? Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here For a more in depth looking into the nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind  listen here  or here Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind   Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of posts  

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology'' - the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. 🧭 Episode Summary: Leading from Your Highest Frequency: The Shift That Changes Everything - What if the secret to transformation wasn’t more effort, but less? In this conversation, Piers is joined by Carolina—a self-described “quantum-preneur” and lifelong system challenger—to explore what lies beyond the conventional narrative of psychological effort, productivity, and leadership. T Drawing on examples from nature, frequency science, and lived experience, they examine what it means to lead from the inside-out, why presence is more powerful than personality, and how leadership shifts when we stop managing our minds and start tuning into a deeper field of intelligence. Listen in to explore and unravel the deeper intelligence of frequency, presence, and felt experience. This episode covers: The Myth of Mental Effort: Why even brilliant, well-intentioned leaders feel trapped in a system of grind — and what opens up when we stop playing that game. From Thinking to Feeling to Sensing: How most of what we call “feeling” is actually thought — and how to recalibrate to the real, felt experience beneath it. Frequency & Flow: You’re not “low energy,” you’re just misaligned. The power of vibrational awareness and coherence in leadership. Language Gets in the Way: When describing falls short, sensing takes over. Why flow, frequency, and state can’t be fully explained — but they can be known. Nature as a Teacher: What horses, babies, and “cutting the tension in the room” show us about energetic leadership. Leadership as State, Not Strategy: Your presence is doing the work. How your inner aperture influences everything around you. We Are Not Broken — Just Desensitised: You don’t need fixing, you just need remembering. Reconnection, not self-improvement, is the path. From Me to We: Why legacy isn't about doing more — it’s about being differently. The shift from personal success to embodied impact.   🔎 For Listeners Who: Feel the weight of responsibility, but suspect there’s another way Want to access their best-day leadership more consistently Sense the limitations of conventional mindset tools Are curious about how presence and frequency influence business, relationships, and wellbeing Are ready to go beyond the conceptual and into direct experience This episode is a invitation to stop efforting and start sensing. If you’re curious about what it means to live, lead, and create from an entirely different paradigm... this one’s for you.   🧭 Mentioned in the Episode: Energy Fields & The Heart’s Intelligence: Why the heart’s magnetism matters more than the brain’s charge Expanded vs Contracted Aperture: A Quality of Mind lens for understanding state and clarity Cold Showers, Grounding & Nature: Simple ways to sense the raw intelligence of presence Human Doings vs Human Beings: Why we’ve forgotten how to feel — and how to get it back The Field is Always Working: But are we available to receive? Feeling as Feedback: Using sensation as a gentle, impersonal indicator of aperture ✉️ Connect and Learn More: You can connect with Carolina via Linkedin  and her website here   💻 Explore more Quality of Mind resources: www.qualityofmind.biz – articles, explainer videos, and programme info Video: Why Do We Describe Quality of Mind as Before Psychology? — clear 2-min intro Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself    

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology'' - the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation. 🧭 Episode Summary: In this expansive and exploratory conversation, Piers joins Dr Amy Johnson on the Changeable Podcast show for a deep dive into the lived reality of the Quality of Mind and Before Psychology understanding. Showing how through every day life relationships, desires, discomforts, and even minor eye-roll moments—functions as a mirror showing us where self identity is still subtly hiding. The episode explores how our desires and reactions are not random or personal but invitations to notice where we are still believing in a separate self.  Life is a Mirror: Everything—especially your desires, discomforts, and relationships—acts as a mirror showing where identity is still subtly hiding. Desire is Not the Problem: Desire becomes a compass. Clean wants flow naturally; unclean ones reveal where the self is trying to prop itself up. Feeling vs Thinking: Much of what we call “feeling” is actually conceptualisation. Real transformation begins when we stop analysing and start sensing. Real but Never True: All experience is real but not objectively true. When seen from this lens, experience becomes less personal and more revealing. Subtlety is the New Frontier: As our aperture widens, we become more attuned to the micro-resistances and subtle patterns where identity still hides. There Is No Separate Self: The shift isn’t in fixing yourself—it’s in seeing that what you think you are never existed in the way it seemed. Practical Non-Duality: These insights aren’t just philosophical—they profoundly shift parenting, working, relating, and even cooking dinner. The System Learns Naturally: You don’t have to figure this out. When you're no longer distracted, the system shows you exactly what you need to see. 🔎 For Listeners Who: Sense there's more to life but are tired of trying to fix themselves to find it Feel stuck in loops of self-improvement or subtle identity work Want to bring more freedom, insight and presence to work, leadership, parenting, or any aspect of daily life Are curious about non-duality and want to explore it in grounded, relatable ways Feel stuck in loops of self-improvement or subtle identity work Want to bring more freedom, insight and presence to parenting, work or daily life Are noticing the limits of conceptual thinking and are ready to live more from the raw aliveness of the present 🧭 Mentioned in the Episode: Silent Retreats: As a direct pointer to the parts of ourselves we habitually distract from The Mirror Metaphor: A recurring theme—how life reflects our inner landscape back to us “Clean” vs “Unclean” Desires: A practical tool for checking where we’re coming from Parenting Examples: Real-life stories about identity, validation, and subtle control Direct Inquiry: Practices like “Which ‘I’ is asking?” and “Can I find the one who is upset?” The ‘Isness’ of Experience: A term used to describe the raw, pre-conceptual nature of life The System’s Learning Extravaganza: Piers’ phrase for how insight unfolds naturally Telepathy Tapes Podcast: Referenced as an example of unfiltered sensing without self-identification Cold Showers as Practice: A visceral pointer to raw sensation vs conceptualised feeling ✉️ Connect and Learn More You can find out more about Amy and her work here Amy's most recent Book 'Just a Thought' (aka That's Just What Minds Do :) purchase and get a free chapter here  A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind  Check out our other podcast episodes, a curated list here Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post    

This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates ''Before Psychology'' - the Secret Source' that exponentially increases the peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.     🧭 Episode Summary: What if everything we’ve been taught about resilience and healing is upside down? Piers chats with leadership coach and former lawyer Bill Giruzzi about the hidden architecture behind healing, resilience, and our capacity for wellbeing. They explore how society’s obsession with avoiding discomfort is not only unhelpful — it’s quietly costing us our aliveness, potential, and freedom. Through Bill’s deeply personal story of debilitating anxiety and the profound insights that emerged on the other side, we unpack: Why “getting rid of symptoms” isn’t the same as true wellbeing How trying to manage or avoid uncomfortable feelings can keep us stuck The real shift that dissolves suffering at its source (and why it’s not what you think) Why the system is already built to heal — if we stop interfering The modern misunderstanding of resilience in business and leadership How our resistance to discomfort is often driven by a case of mistaken identity This episode challenges the conventional view of performance, healing, and leadership — and invites a deeper, more liberating understanding of the mind that’s surprisingly simple, yet profoundly transformative. 💡 Key Takeaways: The problem isn’t the feeling — it’s the resistance to it. There’s nothing wrong with you. You’re not broken. You’re just believing something untrue. True resilience comes not from building a thicker skin, but from seeing there’s nothing you need protection from. Your wellbeing isn’t something you earn — it’s something you uncover. 🔎 For Listeners Who: Are leaders, entrepreneurs, or coaches feeling worn down by chronic coping Sense there must be more to life and leadership than managing stress and ticking boxes Want to understand how to access a deeper, more sustainable version of wellbeing and freedom Are open to looking in a direction that challenges everything they thought they knew about the mind 🧭 Mentioned in the Episode: The myth of "fixing" yourself Flow state, self-identification, and the illusion of control Cold showers, toddlers, and the surprising route to emotional freedom ✉️ Connect and Learn More 📩 Email Bill 📘 Bill's Book A Life Worth Living (Bill notes this reflects an earlier stage of his understanding) A summary of the Quality of Mind resources, to find out more TASTE THE MANGO  YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind  Check out our other podcast episodes, a curated list here Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of articles and post

From the QUALITY OF MIND Podcast Part of our new 'Not Even 5 Mins Series'   Ep 13:  'What Could Make a Difference to Everything in the World?' A 3 min snippet from the episode ''Unlocking Human Evolution: The Potential AI Revolution in Coaching with Katrijn Van Oudheudsen  Quality of Mind unlocks the Secret Source to more performance, peace and potential. But it does it in a very transformative, sustainable way, by explore 'Before Psychology'  - What is that, and does it help? Listen here Please leave any feedback or comments on the podcast, and if you want to ask a question please do so here https://sayhi.chat/QoM - we'd love to hear from you!!   Curious - want to know more? Check out our other podcast episodes; a curated list here Watch past clients talk about the power of Quality of Mind here For a more in depth looking into the Before Psychology nondual understanding behind Quality of Mind listen here  or here Find out more about the relevance of Quality of Mind   Subscribe to our Quality of Mind YouTube channel for a series of 2 min videos all about Quality of Mind Piers Thurston regularly writes about Quality of Mind on LinkedIn and has a large collection of posts 00:24 The Impact of Self-Identification 01:11 Understanding Awakening 01:34 The Nature of Resistance 02:30 The Concept of 'Isness' 03:13 Living Without Self-Identification