Episode 300: Measuring Success in Kidmin Beyond Head Counts with Jen Edwards

What makes a great VBS, and how do you pull one off without burning yourself out in the process?In this episode, Nick sits down with Jeremy O'Neill to talk all things VBS, from big-picture planning and promotion timelines to volunteer leadership, programming strategy, registration questions, and what actually makes a VBS successful. Jeremy shares lessons from years in local church kids ministry, why he wrote How to VBS, and how church leaders can think more clearly about whether their event is primarily about evangelism, discipleship, or both.They also talk through practical issues every ministry leader faces: when to start planning, whether VBS should be free or paid, how to reduce no-shows, how to measure if your event is really reaching new families, and how to use summer events to build your volunteer team for the rest of the year.Jeremy also shares creative ideas like staggered promotion plans, invite-day strategy, planning grids that reduce stress, and how VBS leadership roles can become a training ground for future ministry leaders.Whether you’re leading a traditional VBS, a summer camp, or any large kids ministry event, this conversation is full of practical wisdom to help you plan smarter, lead better, and make the most of one of the biggest ministry opportunities of the year.In this episode, you’ll hear about:Why Jeremy wrote How to VBSA realistic VBS planning timelineSave the date vs theme reveal vs registration launchFree vs paid VBS and the pros and cons of eachHow to think about attendance, outreach, and follow-upEvangelism vs discipleship in VBS strategyA smart registration question every church should askHow to use VBS to recruit and develop future leadersPlanning grids and systems that reduce overwhelmJeremy’s new projects: Simple Kids Ministry, KidmenU, and the VBS VaultLinks mentioned:Howtovbs.comSimpleKidsMinistry.comKidminU.comChapters00:00 Intro and welcome00:07 Why this is the right time to talk about VBS00:54 Jeremy O'Neill update and what he’s doing now01:25 Family update, adoption, and life with two little ones03:01 Why Jeremy wrote How to VBS06:10 What makes this book different from publisher guides07:13 The structure of the book: planning, programming, and people09:11 When should you start planning VBS?12:03 Save the date, theme reveal, and registration strategy13:15 Should VBS be free or paid?17:43 How pricing affects commitment and no-shows18:35 What actually makes a VBS successful?21:37 Practical ways to reach more new families22:24 The power of an invite day24:29 Is VBS more about evangelism or discipleship?31:53 A must-have registration question for every VBS34:08 Programming tip: planning grids that reduce stress42:54 People tip: use VBS to identify and develop leaders47:44 Jeremy shares about Simple Kids Ministry and KidmenU48:53 Book release, VBS Vault, and where to find everything51:10 Final thoughts and wrap-up

In this episode, Sean Sweet shares insights on the evolution and importance of preteen ministry, drawing from his transition from church staff to leading a nonprofit focused on preteen resources. He highlights the unique developmental needs of preteens, the value of intentional programming, and how preteen ministry can effectively bridge children’s and youth ministries through engaging, community-building experiences.Sean SweetConnect with Sean and find resources at the following sites:Sean's EmailFourFiveSix.orgThe Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysPreteen ministry is essential for addressing the unique developmental needs of preteens.Creating intentional spaces for preteens is crucial for their growth and engagement.Events specifically for preteens help them take ownership of their faith and friendships.The evolution of preteen ministry has led to more resources and awareness in churches today.Leadership structure matters; preteen ministries can thrive under either children's or youth ministry, depending on context.Preteens are at a stage where they begin to question and explore their faith more deeply.Distinct experiences for preteens help them transition smoothly into youth ministry.The importance of community and relationship-building in preteen ministry cannot be overstated.Preteen ministry should not mimic youth ministry but rather cater to the specific needs of preteens.The age of 12 is significant in faith development, marking a transition in maturity.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or Tune In radio. Keep your friends and co-workers up-to-date

In this episode, Jen Edwards explores how to measure health in kids ministry beyond attendance and numbers. She emphasizes evaluating milestones, building trust with families, and understanding long-term impact while navigating the pressure of performance metrics in ministry.Jen EdwardsConnect with Jen and find resources at the following sites:Jen Edwards WebsiteJen Edwards IGThe Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysJen Edwards has a decade of experience in kids ministry.Measuring success should go beyond just head counts.Milestones like baptisms and dedications are key indicators of health.Trust is built through consistent relationships with leaders.Attendance numbers can be misleading and should be contextualized.It's important to track engagement and partnership with families.The long-term impact of ministry is often unseen but significant.Ministry work requires patience and a focus on relationships.Leaders should not tie their worth to attendance numbers.Engagement metrics can provide a more accurate picture of success.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or Tune In radio. Keep your friends and co-workers up-to-date as well by sharing it with them via email or social media.Special Sponsor: ClearstreamThis episode is sponsored by Clearstream. Clearstream.io works with thousands of churches worldwide and integrates with tools your church already uses such as MailChimp, C

In this episode, Jessica Bealer shares insights from her experience in family ministry, focusing on volunteer management and building healthy team cultures. She highlights the importance of clear communication, volunteer care and appreciation, and layered leadership to effectively support and retain volunteers in today’s church environment.Jessica BealerConnect with Jessica and find resources at the following sites:Jessica Bealer IGJessica Bealer at GenerisThe Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysJessica Bealer has 23 years of experience in family ministry.The church must adapt to technology, including AI, for efficiency.Multi-use strategies for church buildings can bridge community gaps.Communication methods must evolve as people are less responsive to emails.Healthy volunteer culture is crucial for church growth and retention.Clarity, empowerment, and appreciation are key to volunteer longevity.Personalized communication fosters deeper connections with volunteers.Layered leadership is essential for managing larger volunteer teams.Creative appreciation strategies can enhance volunteer morale.Understanding volunteer retention rates helps in effective recruitment.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or Tune In radio. Keep your friends and co-workers up-to-date as well by sharing it with them via email or social media.Special Sponsor: ClearstreamThis episode is sponsored by Clearstream. C

In this episode, Tony Myles and Heather Flies share insights from their years in student ministry, reflecting on both the challenges and successes of connecting with today’s youth. They discuss their new book on relationships, dating, and singleness, emphasizing the need for honest conversations between parents and students as ministry continues to evolve.Heather Flies & Tony MylesConnect with Heather and Tony and find resources at the following sites:YM360 – https://youthministry360.comHeather Flies IGTony Myles IGThe Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysHeather has dedicated 28 years to youth ministry at the same church.Tony emphasizes the importance of being teachable in youth ministry.Creating a diverse volunteer team enhances youth engagement.Engaging parents in youth ministry is crucial for success.The book aims to provide a platform for youth to wrestle with their questions.LINK TO BOOK: Single, Dating, Friendships, and Romance: Questions for All of Your Answers Singleness should be viewed as a gift, not a waiting period.Communication exercises help youth develop social skills.The landscape of youth ministry has changed significantly in the last decade.Youth leaders must adapt to the cultural shifts affecting youth engagement.Partnership with parents can enhance the effectiveness of youth ministry.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, 

In this episode, Russ and Gail Ewell share their experiences in building a special needs ministry and the importance of fostering inclusion within children’s and student ministries. They discuss the structure of their Spiritual Resource Ministry, practical steps for starting a special needs ministry, and the impact of creating a culture of doing good that reaches the broader community.Russ & Gail EwellConnect with Russ and Gail and find resources at the following sites:Bay Area Christian – https://bacc.cc/Deep Spirituality – https://deepspirituality.com/Website – https://russewell.com/The Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysBuilding a culture of doing good takes time and commitment.Inclusion in ministry benefits both special needs and typical children.Creating sensory-friendly environments is essential for special needs ministry.Friendship deficits in special needs communities can be addressed through inclusive programs.Emotional intelligence is crucial for children in today's society.Start small when developing a special needs ministry to ensure success.Community outreach is a vital aspect of church ministry.Every child deserves the opportunity to participate in church activities.Volunteers play a key role in the success of special needs ministries.Churches can make a significant impact by being inclusive and supportive.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.

In this episode, Mutheu Esilaba of 242 Community Church discusses the evolution of student ministry, the balance between fun and discipleship, and the impact of COVID-19 on youth engagement. He highlights the importance of vulnerability, authentic community, and empowering Gen Z and Gen Alpha to take active roles in church leadership.Mutheu EsilabaConnect with Mutheu via EmailThe Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysThe importance of recruiting volunteers for family ministry.The shift from programming to small groups in student ministry.Vulnerability in leadership fosters trust and engagement.Gen Z is open to hard conversations about faith.Discipleship should be the core focus of youth ministry.COVID-19 accelerated the need for authentic community.Fun and discipleship can coexist in youth ministry.The next generation is looking for a big God.Churches need to adapt to the changing cultural landscape.Engaging students in meaningful roles is crucial for their growth.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or Tune In radio. Keep your friends and co-workers up-to-date as well by sharing it with them via email or social media.Special Sponsor: ClearstreamThis episode is sponsored by Clearstream. Clearstream.io works with thousands of churches worldwide and integrates with tools your church already uses such as MailChimp, Church Community Builder, Rock RMS, Planning Center, and more. You can get started on a free-trial, and if you're with a new church plant under 1 year old can use Clearstream free for 12 months.

In this episode, Nick talks with veteran youth pastor Jody Livingston about the importance of longevity in ministry, balancing personal health, and nurturing family relationships. They discuss challenges youth pastors face, the value of clear expectations and strong teams, and how healthy ministry flows from personal well-being and ongoing self-reflection.Jody LivingstonConnect with Jody via TheLongerHaul.comThe Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysJody has 26 years of experience in youth ministry.Longevity in youth ministry is crucial for effectiveness.The average tenure of youth pastors is often debated.Personal health is essential for successful ministry.Expectations in ministry should be clear and realistic.Building a strong team is vital for youth ministry success.Ministry should be a family affair, not a balance.Recognizing when to leave a ministry is important.Vision in ministry should align with the church's mission.Personal development is key to sustaining a long-term ministry.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher

In this episode, David Reneau shares insights on transitioning roles in ministry, prioritizing spiritual health, and the importance of aligning curriculum with a church’s mission. He also emphasizes building strong leadership teams to share the workload, foster growth, and ensure long-term sustainability in family ministry.David ReneauDavid Reneau is the Lead Pastor of Encounter Church in Toccoa, Georgia with his wife Liz and son Caleb. With over 17 years of experience in ministry, most of it in kids ministry, he has developed a passion to help others lead in their churches well. He loves to talk about ministry, leadership, video games and Star Wars. His goal is to develop an authentic faith in people that will last a lifetime.Connect with David via his website.The Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysMaintaining a relationship with God is crucial for ministry leaders.Curriculum selection should align with church doctrine and mission.Building a leadership team helps share the load in kids ministry.Effective leadership teams can prevent burnout and ensure continuity.Investing in volunteer development is essential for ministry growth.Creating a supportive community among ministry leaders enhances effectiveness.Curriculum should be practical and tailored to the needs of the children.Regular meetings with leadership teams foster collaboration and innovation.A well-structured ministry can sustain itself even during leadership transitions.Pre-order/Order new book HEREWatch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or Tune In radio. Keep your friends and co-workers up-to-date a

In this episode, Tyler Bates from Amazing Life shares the evolution of the Orange Curriculum, focusing on the importance of biblical depth, worship integration, and collaboration between parents and churches. He discusses ongoing improvements driven by church feedback, the development of new resources like the APlay app, and the commitment to maintaining theological integrity in children's ministry.Tyler BatesConnect with Tyler via InstagramThe Volunteer PlaybookMy first book is out! Buy the book by visiting volunteerplaybook.com or by visiting Amazon. Episode NotesKey TakeawaysTyler Bates has a rich background in kids ministry and worship.Orange Curriculum is evolving to better serve churches and families.Amazing Kids Curriculum will continue to exist alongside Orange.Changes in the Orange curriculum aim to enhance biblical depth and practical application.Worship plays a crucial role in kids ministry and is being expanded.A-Play app has the potential to revolutionize how churches access and use media.Feedback from churches is essential for curriculum development.The goal is to create a sustainable model for effective ministry.Watch it on YouTubeMinistry Boost CoachingClick here to check out the amazing benefits of coaching groups with Ministry Boost.Get An Email When Each New Episode Comes OutUse the form below to subscribe to my email list where you’ll get an email each Tuesday when a new podcast comes out.Subscribe | Share | Rate | CommentTo make sure you never miss a post, hit the subscribe button in iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or T