138: The Epstein Excuses of Megyn Kelly and Steve Bannon

We look at Megyn Kelly's sickening and ludicrous (and instantly infamous) apologia for Jeffrey Epstein in the wake of the dump of Epstein emails, and follow the thread from her, via Richard Hanania's deranged tweets about how it's normal for adult men to fancy minors, and Alan Dershowitz's seemingly eternal dedication to having Jeffrey Epstein's back, all the way back to a 2017 meeting between Epstein and Steve Bannon (et al), as related by Michael Wolff in a book, published in 2021, that contains many things now being treated as revelations by the media... Oh what a tangled web we weave... Gigantic and terrible content warnings. Episode Notes: Rebecca Watson's video on Epstein emails and Lawrence Krauss: https://youtu.be/VNLdyWPAz18?si=TEQwu2KcUdfJl3Tf Articles about Epstein and Bannon at Byline Times by Nafeez Ahmed: https://bylinetimes.com/2025/11/14/steve-bannon-offered-trumps-maga-as-shield-for-jeffrey-epstein/ https://bylinetimes.com/2025/11/17/jeffrey-epstein-had-access-to-trumps-inner-circle-while-working-with-steve-bannon/ Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

We finally deliver on a promise going back to the start of the show, an episode on the 'nazi dads' podcast Full Haus. Content extremely warnings.  Contains extensive clips featuring racism and sexism, and slurs (bleeped by us). Episode Notes: https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/us-state-department-official-involved-white-nationalist-movement-hatewatch-determines/ https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/white-nationalist-state-department-official-surfaces-photographs/ https://accollective.noblogs.org/post/2024/09/18/night-of-the-long-con-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-national-justice-party/  Oh, and Daniel's recent appearance on Half the Answer talking about the Tucker / Nick Fuentes interview: https://www.liberalcurrents.com/half-the-answer-47-the-tucker-carlson-nick-fuentes-interview-episode/ Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

We look at some recent news stories, including: Progressive Democratic Senate candidate Graham Platner, his scandals, and the reactions; Kenneth Leland Morgan walking into a pub in Athens Georgia in a full SS uniform, assaulting a woman, being arrested, and then being bailed out by Paul Miller AKA 'GypsyCrusader'; and the revelation that upcoming nazi video-maker 'Shameless Sperg' is Chris Booth, husband of Meghyn Booth, Republican treasurer of Maple Valley Township. Episode Notes: Platner: Graham Platner's claims that he didn't know tattoo was Nazi-linked undercut by new evidence | CNN Politics overview for P-Hustle Graham Platner asked why Black people 'don't tip' in Reddit posts Booth: Unmasked: the man behind one of the fastest growing far-right YouTube channels | Far right (US) | The Guardian https://rumble.com/user/ShamelessSperg/videos?e9s=src_v1_cmd Miller and Morgan: Kenneth Leland Morgan update: Who is Paul Miller? Man claims to help Georgia Nazi dresser get bail as new video emerges | Hindustan Times Who is Kenneth Leland Morgan? Athens, Georgia man in Nazi uniform allegedly assaulted woman outside Cutter's Pub | Hindustan Times Man in Nazi uniform assaulted Georgia student after he was denied entry to bar, officials say https://x.com/jokerwaffenfren/status/1982568060692427192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1982568060692427192%7Ctwgr%5E762b5102659e01bf355e40c126de12ef094256be%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F Nick Fuentes goes on Tucker: Tucker Carlson's interview with far-right antisemite Nick Fuentes divides conservatives | Tucker Carlson | The Guardian Heritage Foundation head defends Tucker Carlson for hosting white nationalist with antisemitic views - The Washington Post Antisemitism exposed in the ranks of the right — the GOP-Israeli honeymoon is over Angela Collier's The Faust and the Furious https://youtu.be/CnsDc9GDn1Y?si=zPCtZ1WI6wY_x7TS Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1  

A clip of our new bonus episode on Kurt Vonnegut's great anti-fascist absurdist tragicomic novel Mother Night and the 90s film version. Full episode exclusive for Patreon subscribers. Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

We're back with a news roundup.  One or two things have happened since we last talked.   Episode Notes: Katie Daviscourt on Poso's podcast, playing the video she recorded alongside their dramatization of it.  https://x.com/RealAmVoice/status/1973457224354898355 ICE shoots an unarmed priest: https://bsky.app/profile/johnpfaff.bsky.social/post/3m2nl24yqpc2v  Hecklers force ICE wannabees to give up. A ray of hope. https://bsky.app/profile/bluskypolitics.bsky.social/post/3m2hrcpo3qs2v  The "ten-car incident" video  https://bsky.app/profile/helldude.bsky.social/post/3m2fxjonrds2w  Show Notes: Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

Daniel welcomes very special guest Molly Conger of Weird Little Guys (and much renown besides) for the mother of all Cantwell news installments. Much Content Warning.   Molly's bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/socialistdogmom.bsky.social Weird Little Guys: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-weird-little-guys-201395214 Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

What do we know about Tyler Robinson?  What don't we know?  What are people saying?  Why are they saying what they're saying?  And again, who was Charlie Kirk really? Content Warnings Episode Links: https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/charlie-kirk-suspect-tyler-robinson-roommate-trans-relationship-65wvslwr8 https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/us/charlie-kirk-bullet-casings-engravings.html https://archive.ph/2025.09.14-154103/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-romantically-linked-to-trans-roommate-gov/?utm_campaign=owned_social&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_source=facebook_owned_tdb&source=TDB&via=FB_Page https://howdypolitics.substack.com/p/you-cant-eulogize-charlie-kirk-without?r=39ezrs&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/prague-cardinal-to-hold-mass-for-slain-conservative-charlie-kirk-sparking-debate-in-czechia https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/charlie-kirk-assassination-maga/ https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-meme https://web.archive.org/web/20250911142246/https://stonetoss.com/comic/turning-point/ (NOTE: Stone Toss comic, link to Internet Archive) https://www.bugeyedandshameless.com/p/who-was-charlie-kirk-anyway https://www.wsj.com/us-news/who-tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-814fd21f https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/it-was-one-of-us-utah-governor-spencer-cox-hoped-charlie-kirk-shooter-was-not-from-us-faces-backlash-online/articleshow/123858257.cms https://boingboing.net/2025/09/12/1350-word-feature-about-the-appeal-of-charlie-kirks-beliefs-doesnt-specify-them-or-quote-him.html (NOTE: A good read) https://web.archive.org/web/20240112121724/https://www.wired.com/story/charlie-kirk-tpusa-mlk-civil-rights-act/ (NOTE: Another good read) https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/10/magazine/charlie-kirk-american-right.html https://www.liberalcurrents.com/not-all-victims-should-be-martyrs/ https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/douglas-murray-and-charlie-kirk-agree-there-war-white-people https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-and-tpusa-are-fueled-far-right-extremism Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

Daniel and Jack discuss who Charlie Kirk really was, and what he really said. Features Megyn Kelly's reaction to the breaking news, and clips from Kirk's shows, including his very last podcast. Content Warnings Episode Notes: New York Times Coverage of the Death of Charlie Kirk. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/09/10/us/charlie-kirk-shot-utah Wall Street Journal, "Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology: Sources" https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b Ezra Klein Opinion, at The New York Times, "Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics the Right Way: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-fear-politics.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lE8.c8fl.bhF6iMJ6NLxJ&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare "You can dislike much of what Kirk believed and the following statement is still true: Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the era's most effective practitioners of persuasion. When the left thought its hold on the hearts and minds of college students was nearly absolute, Kirk showed up again and again to break it. Slowly, then all at once, he did. College-age voters shifted sharply right in the 2024 election. That was not all Kirk's doing, but he was central in laying the groundwork for it. I did not know Kirk and I am not the right person to eulogize him. But I envied what he built. A taste for disagreement is a virtue in a democracy. Liberalism could use more of his moxie and fearlessness. In the inaugural episode of his podcast, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California hosted Kirk, admitting that his son was a huge fan. What a testament to Kirk's project." Robert Draper, New York Times, How Charlie Kirk Became the Youth Whisperer of the American Right: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/10/magazine/charlie-kirk-american-right.html "But perhaps most important is that Kirk's dominant voice, via his podcast and his ubiquity on social media, has earned him credibility among conservatives as a die-hard Trump devotee. He has become a close friend of the president's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., with whom Kirk traveled to Greenland on Jan. 7 — wearing a "Charlie"-embroidered flight jacket for the occasion — to publicize Trump's proclaimed intent to acquire the Arctic territory. And Kirk was an early champion of JD Vance as Trump was deciding whether the senator would be his running mate." Megyn Kelly, YouTube, Charlie Kirk Dead at 31 -- Assassination on Utah College Campus During Turning Point Event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goia3bx9aZ8 The Charlie Kirk Show, "What Does 'Phillies Karen' Say About American Men" https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/what-does-phillies-karen-say-about-american-men Tricia McLaughlin at dhs.gov: https://www.dhs.gov/person/tricia-mclaughlin USA Today Story on "Phillies Karen" https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2025/09/10/phillies-karen-outrage-explained/86070492007/ https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/133-the-mamdani-reaction https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/102-rittenhouse-anarcho-tyranny-and-blood-libel https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/episode-36-the-groyper-war https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/09/pardoned-insurrectionists-are-using-charlie-kirks-death-to-call-for-civil-war/ https://drwilliamhorne.substack.com/p/why-we-pretend?r=1hkrua&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/sep/17/turning-point-usa-professor-watchlist https://x.com/queenie4rmnola/status/1965960315587416268 https://www.the-end.news/after-kirk-right-wingers-double-down-on-eliminating-opponents/ https://www.404media.co/charlie-kirk-was-not-practicing-politics-the-right-way/ https://meidasnews.com/news/charlie-kirk-wants-coca-cola-sponsored-televised-executions-of-trumps-political-opponents Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

Daniel and Jack continue to be haunted by the fetid shade of David Irving as they discuss the 1991 UK television mini-series Selling Hitler (starring Jonathan Pryce, Alexei Sayle, and various once-and-future Doctor Whos)... and also the 1986 non-fiction book by Robert Harris upon which it is based... and thus also the real-life 1983 Stern Magazine fake Hitler diaries scandal which both are about.  Content warning: Jack is very enthusiastic about this. The mini-series, free on YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWzIjl-RsZKuDuoLINA6pvhzmAj_v9-eQ&si=2Q30UUkBb1_R7kyx A good article about the real event: https://www.dw.com/en/how-a-german-magazine-fell-for-fake-hitler-diaries/a-65399517 Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1

In this episode we talk about two dramatic portrayals of a seminal 2000 libel trial, the court case brought by Holocaust denier David Irving against American scholar Deborah Lipstadt: a contemporary UK television drama-documentary 'Holocaust on Trial' and the 2016 film Denial.  We then consider the legacy of Irving, his reputation today, how fascists now see him, how they see the 2016 film, the planned republication of his work by Antelope Hill books, and how he is weirdly replicated in current 'rising star' internet Holocaust denier Darryl Cooper.  We then consider our own coverage of Israel's genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza and the question of how to talk about genocide after the Nazi Holocaust.  Our discussion also touches upon another of the 'guests' brought on by Jubilee to debate Mehdi Hasan in the recent edition of 'Surrounded'.   We also briefly discuss the Sydney Sweeney jeans ad thing. CONTENT WARNINGS Episode Notes: Mother Jones piece on Darryl Cooper: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/07/martyr-made-darryl-cooper-nazi-jews-juggernaut-nihilism-tucker-carlson-joe-rogan-substack/ Mari Cohen at the *Jewish Currents*, "Can Genocide Studies Survive a Genocide in Gaza" https://jewishcurrents.org/can-genocide-studies-survive-a-genocide-in-gaza "Little changed even after Amnesty International published a landmark report accusing Israel of genocide in December 2024. For Nimer Sultany, a scholar of international law at SOAS University of London, this silence pointed to a glaring double standard, in which many scholars could rush to imply that the Palestinians had committed acts reminiscent of genocide, but be "unable to or unwilling to make the same charge against Israel, when Israel has committed much worse atrocities against the Palestinians since then." "This shows that the early use of genocide was propagandistic and political in nature. It shows that they don't care in the same way about Palestinian civilians or Palestinian victims," he said." Polite Conversations, with the same title: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5mpxDnGm1c8isJlDGgidqc?si=igr81Hv4SvOMw_rdFA6V9Q Doomernaut Substack: https://substack.com/@thatonewhitepopulist , "Number 1 alogger of the kosher right "" Antelope Hill Publishing, *Nuremberg, The Last Battle* by David Irving https://antelopehillpublishing.com/product/nuremberg-the-last-battle-by-david-irving/ Holocaust on Trial (2000) – NOT on the pro-Irving channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCe3G9gODU4&t=1s Show Notes: Please consider donating to help us make the show and stay ad-free and independent.  Patrons get exclusive access to at least one full extra episode a month plus all backer-only back-episodes. Daniel's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/danielharper/posts Jack's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4196618&fan_landing=true IDSG Twitter: https://twitter.com/idsgpod Daniel's Twitter: @danieleharper Jack's (Locked) Twitter: @_Jack_Graham_ Jack's Bluesky: @timescarcass.bsky.social Daniel's Bluesky: @danielharper.bsky.social IDSG on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-dont-speak-german/id1449848509?ls=1