21. Kelly Chase—Myth as Transformation

In December of last year, five short months ago, a substack appeared, and it made quite a splash. It’s titled MAZE TO METANOIA, and it’s authored by a shining new voice in this field—Meredith Spearman. Her essays are a much needed antonym to the steady drumbeat of “disclosure” news and speculation. Meredith is ignoring the UAP headlines, and instead looking at the complexities of contact with a grace and insight that is so needed right now.  This is a really strong interview— and it’s exactly the kind of conversation I want to have. Meredith is a gifted speaker, and beautifully addresses the elusive issues, and how they’re all tangled up within a long list of overlapping subjects. This interview runs one hour and 23 minutes. Maze to Metanoia on Substack The scientific paper mentioned early in the show: The Bias Against Creativity: Why People Desire But Reject Creative Ideas, PDF linked HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Samantha’s story is a rich tapestry of experiences that shouldn’t be connected—but they are. Things like: UFOs, OBEs, NDEs, psychic knowing, dreams, poltergeists, mediumship, spirit visitations, angels, hell hounds, and mythic power animals (including owls). And Jesus, too. Samantha just self-published her first book, BORN AWAKENED, with the sub-title An Otherworldly True Story. This is a deeply personal memoir of travels beyond the veil. This conversation explores the emotional and spiritual power of contact. Samantha’s book, HERE  BORN AWAKENED Contact her through Instagram, HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last night I posted a short essay about a very typical event involving an owl, and today I recorded it as an audio post. The essay is on my Substack page, linked HERE. This audio is less than six minutes long, and it's exactly the kind of thing that defines my research. My comrade in blogging, Lucretia Heart, tells the same story from her point of view on her site, HERE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Before we met, Lucinda sat directly across from me and declared that owls are connected to UFOs and shamanism. Be assured, we talked after that. Lucinda is an intuitive medium and shamanic healer; she’s also a 3rd generation contact experiencer. She has spent transformational time with the Lakota people on the sacred lands around Pine Ridge, South Dakota. Her story is at the powerful intersection of Shamanism, mediumship, contact experiences, Bigfoot, fairies, psychic knowing, spirit guides, and owls. Find more at: Her homepage HERE. Strange Familiars (with Timmothy Renner), part ONE and TWO Contact Lucinda thru Mike C (I'll forward messages) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rabbit Trap is a movie about fairies. It’s also a story of the landscape, and the yearning for connection.  Bryn Chainey is a young British director with a vision of how a film should feel, and the emotions it can generate. The film features Dev Patel and Rosie McEwen and a mysterious third character, played by Jade Croot. But the real stars are the sound and the land. We talk about movies, folklore, inspiration, healing, and the mystery of the creative process. Rabbit Trap is available for streaming on Amazon Prime, Apple TV and Google Play. Recommended listening: Bryn talks with Tim on Strange Familiars Bryn talks with Jo on The Modern Fairy Sightings Podcast Please note: This is my second podcast within a week, and the third in less than a month—and that's a lot. Part of me wanted to wait to publish this one, but it was done and I want it out there. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kristen shared an experience with me in the autumn of 2006. We saw owls, and that event changed my life. She shares her memories and insights of those twilight moments, and a lot more. Her life has had its own challenges and new beginnings. Kristen played an important role in my story, and I've been wanting to do this interview for years. This is a lively conversation on life, wilderness, spirituality, and friendship. We talked about a photo from our second trip into the mountains, and it's included in the second link below. Owls at sunset — This is the second post on my Hidden Experience blog, from March 4, 2009. The first comment is from Whitley Strieber, the second is from Mac Tonnies. Kristy talks about owls (and God) — Another blog post, a follow up with Kristen, from March 12, 2009. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a wide-ranging conversation with one of our great thinkers. Joshua Cutchin has published seven books in less than ten years, and each of these has pushed at the boundaries of how we understand the paranormal. This includes UFOs, cryptids, fairies, psi phenomenon, consciousness, the creative process, and death. We focus on the need to express our first person voice. There is no one I enjoy talking with more! Find Josh’s books HERE Joshua’s homepage Speaking of Jung on UFOs My two previous interviews with Josh: Mysteries of the Faerie Realm from 2019 and The Overlap of Experiences from 2021.  The recent movie RABBIT TRAP in discussion with The Modern Fairy sightings Podcast and Strange Familiars Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a short conversation between two extraordinary thinkers, Terence McKenna and Kenneth Ring. The book The Omega Project was written by Ring, and in it he explores the relationship between the UFO phenomenon and the Near Death Experience. This audio was lifted from a video shot in Prague, Czechoslovakia during the International Transpersonal Conference in June 1992, known at Prague Gnosis. This was initially posted on my Hidden Experience blog back in January of 2014, and the audio quality was terrible. I'm reposting it with enhanced audio, and it's now a much improved listening experience. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I started a substack account. I've been wanting to get back into blogging, and also to have a way to help promote my podcast. I wrote a short essay about my frustrations with how "disclosure" has dominated the entirety of the UFO community. It's titled Disclosure Without a Spark, the full text is linked HERE. My audio reading is above. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“The UFO as evolutionary function, seeding new myths and meanings” This from Kelly Chase. We discuss her recent essay, Unfurling the Myth. This is an exploration into the deepest mystery, and why it seems to present itself as myth—with transformation as its inevitable outcome. Our previous conversation from January 2025 is essential listening, as well as Kelly’s reading of her insightful paper. Both are linked below. COSMOSIS—Kelly reads: Unfurling The Myth — Narrative as interface between Psyche and the field, HERE Episode 15. Kelly Chase-UFOs and the deeper self, HERE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices