Ship it! with Avery Pennarun and Tailscale

In this episode of the Prodcast, guest host David Blank-Edelman sits down with four of the editors of the seminal Site Reliability Engineering book—Betsy Beyer, Niall Richard Murphy, Christof Leng, and David Huska—for the first of a two-part retrospective and sneak peek into the upcoming Second Edition (2e). A decade after the original book introduced SRE principles to the world, the team reflects on its runaway success and how the industry has evolved from Google's internal setup to forging independent reliability cultures. The authors share why 2e is a ground-up, complete rewrite—retiring commoditized infrastructure walkthroughs to focus on platform engineering, sociotechnical systems, and real-world case studies from other companies. The conversation also tackles industry dogma around SLOs and error budgets, features a lightning round of the authors' favorite new chapters, and dives into what AI means for the future of SRE. Join us for an honest, funny, and insightful conversation on where production engineering has been—and where it's headed next!

In this episode of the Prodcast, hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler are joined by Vasa Krishnamoorthy, Head of Web Foundations at Pinterest. They  discuss what it takes to ship software at scale, how to manage technical migrations, and how AI is transforming the developer workflow. Vasa observes that AI makes generating code faster and cheaper, and it creates new bottlenecks in code review and CI validation, reinforcing that human accountability for trade-offs and quality remains essential.

In Season 7, Episode 3 of The Prodcast, hosts Jordan Greenberg and Steve McGhee sit down with William Holroyd, an Site Reliability Engineer specializing in regulated cloud, for an insightful and engaging discussion on navigating complex compliance landscapes. Together, they break down what it really means to run software in regulated environments—covering key concepts like data residency, access controls, key custody, and audit evidence across international frameworks like FedRAMP and GDPR. Beyond explaining the technical guardrails embedded directly into cloud platforms, William highlights how software teams can stay ahead of compliance drift and reduce operational toil. If you anticipate entering a regulated market within the next three years, start designing for your jurisdictional boundaries today—building inside a compliance boundary early is far easier and more cost-effective than attempting to migrate into one later. Tune in for a fantastic conversation on modern cloud architecture!

Avery Pennarun, CEO and co-founder of Tailscale, joins the Prodcast to discuss reliability, enterprise scaling, and engineering philosophy. This episode discusses how taking responsibility for user networking and edge cases builds long-term product reliability. Avery also talks about how AI tools can improve psychological safety, reduce noise, and serve as an information spine for teams

Daniel Hobe, SRE leader for Search, Geo, and DeepMind at Google, joins hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler to discuss the unique engineering and cultural challenges of maintaining reliability for products with billions of users. This episode explores the evolution of release processes—from traditional canary gating and A/B testing to the complexities of monitoring non-deterministic AI models and generative features. The discussion highlights a shift in modern SRE: moving beyond abstract SLO percentages to measure real human impact, ensuring that engineering decisions remain tightly aligned with business goals and user experience. Hobe also offers an inspiring perspective on how AI can serve as an engineering enabler to tackle long-standing technical debt and enhance system resilience. Whether you're scaling traditional infrastructure or navigating the new paradigm of AI-driven products, this episode offers essential lessons on risk management, observability, and customer-centric engineering. Join us as we kick off our seventh season!

Google's Tech Incident Response Team (IRT) manages the complex production environment during times of intensive change. In this episode, IRT member Adam Kramer talks about the importance of psychological safety to ensure that engineers can communicate effectively.  

Courtney Nash of The VOID discusses the role of human expertise in managing complex systems, and how SREs continue to bring critical value even as technology and AI evolve.  

John Allspaw joins Prodcast hosts Matt Siegler and Florian Rathgeber for a candid discussion of reliability topics at SREcon Americas 2026.

John Allspaw discusses reliability with Prodcast host Steve McGhee at SREcon Americas 2026

We speak with Ricard Bejarano about being an SRE at home, discussing Home Lab systems.