When Bodies Talk: Running with Resilience

Listen in to hear Joan and Jamie’s kids express their ideas of death, while Joan examines truth-telling and Jamie discusses a new identity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The death of season two is upon us! But in keeping with the theme of death-rebirth-life, our hosts announce that Season 3 is happening! Join us today for a peek into what's emerging next and a final discussion on death and the afterlife. Jamie and Joan share their former religious beliefs and the impact those ideas had on their bodies. And they each share what heaven has come to mean to them in the here and now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Joan and Jamie share about dreams, grief, empathy, and the importance of living through all of life’s highs and lows. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re joined today by Dr. Hillary McBride for a conversation about grief and its effect on our bodies. Joan and Jamie share a similar journey of leaving religion as Hillary, so the three discuss the grief over losing one’s identity in God. Hillary explains how important and routine it is for humans to change and reshape our ideas of reality, and it is in these repeated moments that we build our resilience and confidence to withstand the grief that accompanies us throughout all of life. To find out more about Hillary and her newest book, Holy Hurt, visit her website and follow her on Instagram @hillaryliannamcbride. For additional reading, check out the book Hillary mentions by Tanya Luhrmann, How God Becomes Real, on Tanya’s website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as our hosts share similar stories of building resilience within their bodies and how cycles of death and rebirth connect to exercise and healthcare. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, our hosts dive deeper into the world of healthcare as they discuss how death is viewed, experienced, and processed within the modern-day system. Joan offers insights on how physicians handle conversations about death with their patients and families, and the inherently flawed structure that prevents all bodies involved from thriving. Our hosts describe a vision for the future that they hope will replace the current, unsustainable framework. And we get a sneak peek at Jamie’s coaching, as she facilitates an on-the-spot session with Joan during their Body Check-Ins. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in to the sounds of freezing, crunching rain as Joan reflects on the dying systems in healthcare and the new limits her body has set, while Jamie shares her new motivation to run and the importance of trusting our bodies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In today’s episode, Joan and Jamie discuss the death of modernity and its large-scale systems. From mass co-dependence to the need to control others, they discuss the various structures of society that are slowly dying. On the practical level, they recount stories from personal experience of the various changes they see happening within the modern healthcare system. And they circle back to their Season 1 theme that will inspire us toward an embodied future. Be sure to check out the book they referenced, “Hospicing Modernity” by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen in as Jamie and Joan share vulnerable moments from each of their families’ recent losses. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we have our first guest, Caroline Lee, who joins Jamie and Joan to discuss death doulas. Caroline offers a brief overview of her Bay Area practice and how she got started in this unique line of work. Similar to giving birth, Caroline describes the routine steps that precede death and her role as a doula in making those transitions as smooth as possible for her patients and their families. She also shares the ethereal aspects that oftentimes accompany someone’s passing. And Jamie asks Joan and Caroline to recount how their bodies feel when they care for a dying body. For such a weighty subject, their answers may be a bit surprising! You can find out more about Caroline by emailing or following her on social media: @howcarolinecarolines, @death.ed_, TikTok, and [email protected]. Be sure to check out the hospice booklet by Barbara Karnes and the documentary, “The Last Ecstatic Days,” about Ethan Sisser. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices