Beyond the Frameworks: Narrative Coaching and Human Maturity with David Drake

In this episode of Coaching Revealed, host Austin Matzelle sits down live at the Institute of Coaching Conference with Dr. David Drake, founder of The Moment Institute and pioneer of narrative coaching. Moving past rigid traditional coaching models, Dr. Drake breaks down how focusing on a client's natural storytelling unlocks deep-seated psychological insights and drives genuine personal development.They explore the crucial role of human maturity in professional growth, the five distinctions of maturity, and how coaches can drop the need to "be helpful" and instead cultivate true presence. Plus, Dr. Drake shares his perspective on the future of coaching in the age of AI and how honoring narrative can transform leadership, organizational change, and personal growth.

In this episode of Coaching Revealed, we interview Elix Cintron an executive coach who specializes in working with C-suite transformation. As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, Elix has helped create spaces for queer coaches and allies to have community, address challenges, and grow together. In this conversation, Elix and IOC Podcast Host Austin Matzelle cover the following: How does a coaches’ LGBTQ+ identity impact their client relationshipsHow can coaches show up to client engagements authentically as themselvesWhat does belonging look like for coachesWhat does building a supportive coaching community look like?Utilizing the Listen to Connect Framework from Judith Glaser

In this episode of Coaching Revealed, we interview Pauline Fatien, Associate Professor of Management at Grenoble Ecole de Management. Focusing on power dynamics and ethics, Pauline explores how we can develop critical skills in leadership and management. In this episode of Coaching Revealed, Pauline and IOC Podcast host Austin Matzelle cover: Myths surrounding coaching such as neutrality, and ethicality How social elements such as neutrality and power show up in coachingDifferent kinds of power and power at the macro, meso, and micro levelsHow the three party contract in coaching impacts power dynamicsEpisode Shownotes:Pauline Fatien: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulinefatien/Pauline Fatien Research Gate:https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pauline-Fatien-Diochon Institute of Coaching: https://instituteofcoaching.org/join

How does coach training impact leadership training? In this episode of Coaching Revealed, we interview Ruth Reitmeier, a researcher, educator and coach who serves as the Director of Coaching at Rice University. Ruth draws from her research and work with MBA students while exploring the impact of the leader-as-coach training intervention on leadership identity, developmental self-concept, and aspirational clarity. In this episode of Coaching Revealed, Ruth and IOC Podcast host Austin Matzelle cover: Shifting towards a coaching mindset in leadership problem-solvingKey findings from Ruth’s research on leader identity, developmental self-concept, and aspirational clarityComparing the ‘leader as coach’ model with other leadership models Utilizing coach training to produce measurable and scalable leadership growth Exploring areas of benefit for coaching based-leadership including trust building and team efficacy Shownotes:Ruth Reitmeier Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruth-reitmeier-ms-pcc-11751012Ruth Reitmeier Rice University: https://business.rice.edu/person/ruth-reitmeier

What does the science of coaching actually tell us about how people grow, lead, and thrive? In this episode, Coaching Revealed host Pamela Larde interviews Joel DiGirolamo, Vice President of Research and Data Science at the International Coach Federation (ICF) — a leading global coaching organization with over 50,000 coaches across over 140 countries. Joel shares his surprising journey from electrical engineering at Purdue to leading cutting-edge coaching research, and what that research reveals about the future of the profession.In this episode, Joel and Pamela cover: How coaching skills enhance dialogue, in formal and non-formal coaching sessions The role of safety in the coaching relationship — and how to navigate trust when a manager holds organizational authority.Findings from a 42-coach qualitative study on specialty coaching — revealing the three core elements that make coaching unique as a 1-to-1 learning modality.How the ICF Core Competency update process works including coaching competencies for AI and Technology 

Have you ever worked with a client who struggled  to regulate their nervous system? In this episode of Coaching Revealed, IOC Podcast hosts Austin Matzelle and Emily Terrani interview Chris Lyon, a coach, Board Certified Hypnotist, and Certified Applied Neuroscience and Brain Health Practitioner. The three discuss how coaches can be active in assisting their clients in regulation, deal with dysregulation, and learn how to utilize their breath, body, and mind. In this interview, Chris, Austin, and Emily cover:Understanding what dysregulation is from a neuroscience perspectiveHelping clients harness neuroplasticitySupporting clients navigating complex PTSD and stressExploring the 3 pillars of regulation: Breath, Body, and Mind

In this episode of Coaching Revealed, IOC Founder Carol Kauffman talks about the Institute of Coaching’s 16th annual Coaching in Leadership and Healthcare conference with conference director, researcher, and psychologist Robert Biswas-Diener. Happening on May 1-2 2026, this conference is bringing together speakers from Google, Moderna, Harvard Business and Medical School along with top rated coaches from Thinkers 50. Robert and Carol discuss what parts of this conference they are most excited about and how they have seen the field of coaching grow since the Institute’s first conference over 16 years ago. Show Notes:The Inflection Point of Coaching: https://instituteofcoaching.org/conferences/conference-2026

In this episode of Coaching Revealed, hosts Austin Matzelle and Emily Terrani are joined by Joel Bennett, psychologist, author, and president of Organizational Wellness Systems (OWLs). We interview Dr. Bennett on his work with our relationships with time and time pressure. Drawing from his master’s thesis research into love and power in romantic relationships, Dr. Bennett introduces his four part framework on time including acceptance, presence, flow, and synchronicity.In this episode, Dr. Joel Bennett, Emily, and Austin Cover:The impact of time pressure on individualsThe connection between workaholism, avoidance, and unprocessed griefFive different types of time pressure that can impact individualsThe four social capacities of acceptance, presence, flow, and synchronicity 

In this episode of Coaching Revealed, hosts Austin Matzelle, and Emily Terrani are joined by Jeffrey Yip, researcher and associate professor of management studies at Simon Fraser University. The episode focuses on Simon’s research into the subject of listening in leadership and coaching. So how do we know if we are properly listening? Through his academic and professional career, Jeffrey has explored psychology, leadership, and management as he has explored what contributes to effective or ineffective listening. Drawing from his extensive research on the transformative power of listening on working relationships and leadership, Jeffrey introduces his Listen and Build framework as a practical way for individuals to continually hone their listening skills. In addition to the framework, Jeffrey introduces the simple concept of “pain storming” which helps leaders and coaches to move towards creating collaborative solutions even when encountering difficult situations. In this episode, Austin, Emily, and Jeffrey cover:Why leaders consistently overestimate their listening ability and how this impacts coaching effectivenessThe concept of naive realism and how it prevents us from truly hearing different perspectivesThe three key capacities for effective listening: suspending judgment, taking perspective, and empathyThe Listen and Build framework for transforming organizational challenges through structured listeningShow Notes:Psychology Today Column: Listen and Build: Listening Works (Free Playbook): https://www.listeningworks.ca/toolsJeffrey Yip: LinkedIn  Institute of Coaching: https://instituteofcoaching.org

In this episode of Coaching Revealed, hosts Austin Matzelle and Emily Terrani are joined by Dr. Zorana Ivcevic Pringle, researcher at the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence and author of The Creativity Choice. Together, they explore creativity as a psychological and emotional process—one that unfolds over time and is deeply shaped by mood, environment, and relationships.Dr. Pringle shares insights from decades of interdisciplinary creativity research, challenging common myths that creativity is reserved for artists or requires complete freedom. Instead, she reframes creativity as something both original and effective, accessible to everyone, and profoundly influenced by emotional awareness, constraints, and social context.Throughout the conversation, the hosts and Dr. Pringle examine how thinking and feeling are inseparable in creative work, how different emotional states serve different creative functions, and what coaches and leaders can do to cultivate environments where creativity can reliably emerge.Episode LinksYale Center for Emotional Intelligence: YCEIThe Creativity Choice: https://www.zorana-ivcevic-pringle.com/