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232: Why Men Are Terrified of Their Emotions & How to Deal with Anxiety & Depression: Dr. Margaret Nagib

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I sit down with Dr. Margaret Nagib, a clinical psychologist and one of my most trusted friends, for a conversation I've wanted to have for a long time: how do you actually work through anxiety and depression as a man? Margaret breaks down why so many of us are struggling right now, from information overload to unprocessed childhood trauma, and explains what's really happening in your body and brain when you hit your window of tolerance. We get into the COVID season specifically, including her own story of telling God "I'm done" with the news, and how that moment shaped the way she now helps her clients regulate their emotions.

The heart of this episode is a tool Margaret taught me that genuinely changed my life: recognize, relabel, refocus. I share exactly how I used radical thankfulness to pull myself out of anxiety spirals during one of the hardest seasons of my life, tapering off medication I'd been on for eight years while caring for a newborn. Margaret explains why fighting anxious thoughts only makes them louder, why distraction is actually a healthy tool, and why "it's not me, it's anxiety" became the phrase that finally let me detach from the spiral instead of getting swept up in it.

We also go deep on depression, including the medical side I didn't expect, like a severe vitamin D deficiency that mimicked major depressive symptoms, and I open up about a recent surgery that triggered a spiral of hopelessness I had to consciously fight my way out of. Margaret closes with the psychology of hope, the story of the rats who kept swimming, and why every man needs a "hope holder" in his life when he can't hold onto hope himself. If you've ever felt like anxiety or depression was something only you were dealing with, this conversation is for you.

Chapters:
0:00 – Meet Dr. Margaret Nagib
6:04 – COVID Overload: When the News Became Too Much
12:06 – Why Men Are Taught to Suppress Their Emotions
18:07 – Anxiety Isn't a Problem to Solve, It's a Spiral to Exit
24:12 – Avoidance, Trauma, and Why We Run From Emotion
30:14 – The Power of Radical Thankfulness to Break Anxiety
36:15 – Mapping Your Anxiety Triggers Before They Hit
42:20 – Vitamin D, Medication, and the Medical Side of Depression
48:21 – Jason's Surgery Story: Catching Depression Before It Spirals
54:27 – Agency, Hope, and Finding Your "Hope Holder"

Dr. Margaret Nagib is a speaker, author, and clinical Psychologist. In this episode, Jay and Margaret explain how to deal with anxiety and depression. You will be better equipped to respond to your triggers and regulate your emotions.

Episode Notes:
- We experience anxiety and depression when we are beyond our capacity to cope.
- One of the most powerless feelings for a man is wanting to help someone without knowing how to help them.
- Avoidance is a symptom of trauma
- Hope is the overall perception that a goal can be met
- A person filled with hope has high agency (belief in yourself) and multiple pathways (ways to get where you want to go)

Margaret's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/margaretnagib/

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