708: Primary, Tertiary, and Third Cousin

Pre-show: Siri AI foibles The High Line 🗣️ ATP Holiday Store is here! 🗣️ Follow-up: Fineliner Fineliner 🤝🏻 ATP Graffiti shirt (via Nick Foster) Download for use in Fineliner (in Fineliner’s settings, Font, Import Profile; note that this will overwrite your icons and avatar, too) Palm Vx PalmOS emulator Why Overcast Radio LLC? MacBook PROLED Allison points out some dimensional errors on our part You can completely turn off the touch screen (via Gui Rambo) Pinch-to-zoom Glowing Apple logo implementation software details Avoiding keyboard marks with a microfiber keyboard dust cover (via Keith Huss) Rounded corners (via Jeff) Video Reimar Servas show us why rounded corners are bad (via Marcin Wichary) iPhone Duo iPhone Duo will welcome you… sometimes? (YouTube timestamp link to 1m15s) Crackgate Andy Ihnatko notes Crackgate is a thing Jay Peters at The Verge with a statement from Apple CuriousHagi on YouTube (via Terrence O’Brien at The Verge) Inner case with and without matte protector on JerryRigEverything (YouTube timestamp link to 6m45s) Hinge is an ingress point for sand (10m35s) iFixit Teardown Two batteries are listed separately in Settings iPhone Mirroring is outer-screen only (via Stephen Robles) (YouTube timestamp link to 42s) Unlocking using the meat of your right index finger (via Sam Shepherd) Reachability is coming in iOS 27.3 Phil Schiller’s long goodbye …and Ternus’s long hello …and Tim’s long goodbye Apple Leadership Post-show: Marco’s iPhones Duo Members-only ATP Overtime: Some fan-made tools for ATP listeners ATP Titles by Cole Orton Quiz ATP Thingy Finder Transcript search sites CatATP Chapter art ATP Search by Marcos Huerta ATP Transcripts by Roger Goldfinger Podsearch by David Smith Sponsored by: Granola: The AI notepad for back-to-back meetings. Claude: Ready to tackle bigger problems? Get started with Claude today. Tailscale: A secure network that just works. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

Pre-show: Marco has a new toy Stock checker 🗣️ ATP Holiday Store is here! 🗣️ 🗣️ New ATP Member’s Special: ATP Insider: Time Management is here! 🗣️ iPhone Duo first impressions Stephen Robles’s shortcut New Apple announcements Monday: iPad Mini Tuesday: M6 iMac Tuesday: M6 MacBook Pro Wednesday: OLED MacBook Pro Launch video Advertisement 🚨 THE LID LIGHT IS BACK! 🚨 Stephen Levy at Wired Design for Touch on Mac Mac Studio with 512 GB RAM Post-show: Marco’s new app, Fineliner Parakeet Members-only ATP Overtime: Is Apple re-entering the server market?? Macworld: Apple may revive Xserve for the AI market The Information Gurman responds on Twitter Sponsored by: Granola: The AI notepad for back-to-back meetings Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

Pre-show: John’s of Bleecker Marco and Casey at John’s 🗣️ ATP Holiday Store is here! 🗣️ Follow-up: HomeView When was the HomeView hardware created? Is it expensive? (via Paul Heering) Amazon Echo Show 5: $99 Amazon Echo Show 8: $199 Amazon Echo Show 11: $249 Amazon Echo Show 15: $349 Wall-mount & regular HomeView pricing Is it to prevent cheapskates? (via mvk) Is it to prevent add-on dinguses (via Ben O’Matic) Knock-offs coming soon? Turns out, Jimmy is that guy. 😏 Phone screen vs. Duo screen Will Marco be adding CarPlay support? (via Rick Allen) Apple TV Price history March, 2015: Apple lowers the price from $99 → $69 (timestamp link to 10m14s) Glenn Fleishman’s chart Microphones and HomePods AV1 (via Michael Barnes et al) Reddit feature comparison What is “audio passthrough” (via Andrew Haglund) Explainer from Caleb Denison The iPhone Duo has a replaceable cover layer Interview with Kate Bergeron iPhone Duo Creator Showcase iPhone Duo preorder experience iPhone Duo reviews MKBHD HTX Studio Tim Pan Joanna Stern Nilay Patel & Allison Johnson Gruber John also brought up Computer Chronicles Apple “Pro and Tell” event next week Post-show: Marco has something to share ATP Diamond Dogs: Talk Me Out of It II The thing Marco shared 🚨 You will want to click this after Marco introduces it, but before John talks about his experience! 🚨 Members-only ATP Overtime: The people holding up the internet XKCD 2347 Sponsored by: zocdoc: Find the right doctor, right now. Quince: Elevated essentials and staples that last. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

Apple’s New Home-Related Products HomeView Newsroom iMac G4 Intro video TV commercial Schneider press release Wired’s review WWDC 2026: Rev Up Your CarPlay App Developer agreement “HomeView” & “homeOS” Apple TV 4K gen 4 Nvidia Shield TV Newsroom Intro video MacRumors Buyer’s Guide New Siri Remote Precision finding requirements HomePod mini 2 Newsroom Intro video Home collection Newsroom MacRumors (See also the Schneider press release above) Post-show: Casey got a UTR-LR UTR Flex Mini Members-only ATP Overtime: Regarding Passkeys are a Trap… Ricky Mondello’s response Scott Helme’s response Sponsored by: Tailscale: A secure network that just works Factor: Healthy Eating, Made Easy Quince: Elevated essentials and staples that last Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

Pre-show: Marco tries a Waymo Follow-up: Casey’s MyBMW foibles iMazing Approov BMW case study Screen sharing OBD-II Home Assistant + Pushover + Shortcuts? (via Khaos Tian) GL.iNet Comet Q PiKVM Lex Friedman: Claude writes code; I author the apps AirPower desk video was by HTX Studio …who previously interviewed Tim Cook! (via Elijah Yap) Original video (via Adeiko) Ubiquiti home Wi-Fi vs. Eero Previously on ATP Overtime A positive anecdote A negative anecdote FiOS CableCARD discontinuation RecDiffs #295: If I Adjust for Europe TiVo’s desperation One-AirPod vs. two-AirPod audio settings Settings → Accessibility → AirPods → your AirPods M6/A20 Pro details High Yield & SemiAnalysis video on A20 Pro Timestamp link to cores discussion @ 9m37s High Yield & SemiAnalysis video on the M6 vs. M5 Timestamp link to M6 layout discussion @ 8m9s Timestamp link to core images @ 12m40s Timestamp link to A20 vs. M6 core comparison @ 9m37s Rumored October event See also, new home trinkets? Updates to Full Disk Access in macOS Jason Aten on Muse reading his iMessages Meta calls foul Post-show: Casey and Marco go Phishing Q Barbecue Capital Ale House Allianz Ampitheater Setlist Recording Cupertino’s iPhone Duo 3D-printing model (you want the variant labeled “Fixed the large black areas showing through.”) Members-only ATP Overtime: AppZapper 3000 and The Delicious Generation Disco Demo video John’s review of Delicious Library from 2004 Maslow’s hierarchy of needs Sponsored by: Coax: Channel-surf your home media server Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

Pre-show: Marco has M6 performance numbers 🗣️ It’s St. Jude time! 🗣️ Podcastathon on Friday October 2 @ noon eastern The Marco Offset™ Follow-up: John’s mouse pad (via Andy) Rounded corners are, bad, maybe? AirPower… desk? 🤨 John’s weird AirPods 5 issues Finding Intel apps in macOS System Settings → General → About → Intel-based Apps Learn more… M5 Ultra Mac Studio GPU scores New Mac mini storage caveats 𝓍OS 27 Screen Time woes (Timestamp link to 8m50s) iOS 27 vs. Pi-hole dazfuller Aaron Vegh GM vs. CarPlay Casey’s blog post Casey’s mea culpa Wait, just kidding Apple Watch is listening… Steve Riggins What about “Hey, Siri”? Nick Heer MKBHD Ask ATP: What’s the highest mileage we’ve ever gotten to in a car? (via Elliot) Saturn SL2 Nissan 300ZX Nissan Maxima Volvo 200 series Honda Civic fifth-gen Porsche IMS bearings BMW VANOS What is John going to do to deal with Gmail policy changes? (via Mark Bramhill) Would Apple reuse the 2019 design for a phantom new Mac Pro? (via Ben Cooper) Post-show: Casey tries to hack his car Home Assistant Wireshark Charles Proxy MQTT Members-only ATP Overtime: Ternus’s “Intelligent Personal Hub” and Apple’s home AI hub Digital Hub strategy (Timestamp link to 1h29m46s) Intelligent personal hub Gurman Sponsored by: Granola: The AI notepad for back-to-back meetings. Claude: Ready to tackle bigger problems? Get started with Claude today. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

🗣️ It’s St. Jude time! 🗣️ Podcastathon on Friday October 2 @ noon eastern The Marco Offset™ Flying Spaghetti Monster Follow-up: New treats John iPhone 18 Pro John’s case AirPods 5 with Wireless Charging Case IP57 Dust protected Immersion, up to 1m, for 30 minutes Oddities Volume control Marco Apple Watch S12 Ceramic Apple Watch S12 bezels are bigger than S10? Mac mini Casey: Apple Watch S12 Aluminum How should Apple have handled iPhone Duo dev tools? (via Oscar Echeverri) Photos libraries on external drives (via Larry Fieman) Preliminary M5 Ultra GPU Geekbench scores Chart Apple watch “Readiness Score” seem to be mostly bunk? (via Michael Katz) iPhone Duo dev tools released Aaron Vegh’s video Post-show: Marco’s Mac mini update Ubiquiti WAN Switch GL.iNet Comet Q and the PoE one Members-only ATP Overtime: Ubiquiti’s new home Wi-Fi that does “full-duplex MLO Previously discussed on ATP #672: Wi Hyphen Fi The Disappointing Truth about Wi-Fi 7 Introductory video Sponsored by: Daft Music: Made for Apple Music. Clic for Sonos: A premium Sonos companion. No lag. No hassle. Just music. Quince: Elevated essentials and staples that last. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

🗣️ New ATP Member’s Special: ATP Insider: Show Q&A 🗣️ It’s St. Jude time! 🗣️ The Marco Offset™ Todd Vaziri on James Bond homages in the event video Comparison video Previously, in 2018 Making of (via Techzha) Preliminary Geekbench scores A20 Pro (iPhones 18 Pro) CPU GPU M6 CPU GPU M5 Ultra CPU iPhone 18 Pro Max & Apple C2 Solar phone charging? 🤔 (via flanker) Pragmatic #38: Watch This Time and Space Aperture blades on iPhone 18 Pro / Pro Max camera MKBHD’s review PetaPixel’s Review Explaining starbursts Straight vs. rounded examples Debate on DPReview forums iPhones 18 Pro Face ID (YouTube timestamp link to 13m34s) iPhone Duo How will iPhone Mirroring work? No Action Button 💔 The Duo does have a split keyboard An aside about our enthusiasm for the Duo Ternus & Joz interview part 1 & part 2 Thomas Ricker at The Verge Stephen Robles insights iPhone side-dock example MagSafe accessories will be… tough A Face ID complication (via Pedro Fernandes) Apple Pencil support USB-C Apple Pencil not Pencil Pro Gruber Steve Troughton-Smith Fake bezel Benjamin Mayo at 9to5Mac Demo video (Twitter link) iOS 27 doesn’t include automated password changing Photos libraries on external drives (via Mike Brogan & Jason Snell) Optimize Storage (via Jason Snell & Fabrice Neuman) John’s cheap S3 setup Configuration CLI invocation: aws s3api put-bucket-lifecycle-configuration \ --bucket my-cool-bucket-name \ --lifecycle-configuration file:///Users/yourusername/Desktop/s3-lifecycle.json \ --transition-default-minimum-object-size varies_by_storage_class _DavidSmith on iPhone Air & 17e sales Gruber’s breakdown iPhone 17: 36.5% iPhone 17 Pro Max: 29.9% iPhone 17 Pro: 29.4% iPhone 17e: 2.5% iPhone Air: 1.5% Post-show: John needed Marco’s 3D printer Oyen Digital MiniPro RAID V4 Dual-Bay Modesty panel Command Strips Members-only ATP Overtime: The triumphant return of the Genius Bar? Sponsored by: Granola: The AI notepad for back-to-back meetings zocdoc: Find the right doctor, right now. Claude: Ready to tackle bigger problems? Get started with Claude today. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

🗣️ It’s St. Jude time! 🗣️ The Marco Offset™ September 2026 event MacRumors on the cellular chips SynthID Standard Apple Audio Intelligence Privacy Overview Surface Duo PowerBook Duo Rafa’s toot about layouts Apple Developer Videos Post-show: Jetty update Members-only ATP Overtime: Apple’s new business terms in the EU Ben Thompson’s breakdown Gruber’s take Adrian Weckler at Irish Independent Sponsored by: ElevenLabs: AI Customer Support Agents Factor: Healthy Eating, Made Easy Quince: Elevated essentials and staples that last Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!

🗣️ It’s St. Jude time! 🗣️ The Marco Offset™ Follow-up: Luz fooled me, Jerry! Extremely convincing fake by Daniel Luz Mea culpa Apple fooled us all Siri blobs fix System Settings → Screen Time → Content & Privacy → Content & Privacy (turn the switch on) → Siri → Writing Assistance (turn the switch off) John is happy with new Macs timetable Are photo libraries on external disks supported? Knowledge base Iris Yankees / Sox in Apple Vision Pro Dithering Motivations for SME adoption (via shac ron) ✅ Tim Cook exit interview AT 688: A Company Man at 1h8m29s (Overcast timestamp link) Phil takes another step toward the door Emma Roth at The Verge Phil on ATP #317: We’re Customers Too iPhone 17 / 17 Pro / 17 Pro max / Air Exit interviews iPhone event preview Post-show: John’s storage update Backblaze B2 Amazon S3 Members-only ATP Overtime: Ternus & the Vision Pro 10 May: Mark Gurman 3 June: Juli Clover at MacRumors 21 August: Gurman 30 August: Gurman Sponsored by: zocdoc: Find the right doctor, right now. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!