Escape Route

We started our podcast five years ago because we wanted to talk about the things we’re into. By now you know what they are: travel, style, sports (and airline lounges!) and the details that make those things better. Oh, and we wanted to have a good time. That’s the same reason we started a newspaper: The Print Edition. We like the idea of escaping the screen and the algorithm and getting back in print. Making a newspaper allowed us to work with our talented friends, like designer John Segal, and some of our favorite writers, Rosecrans Baldwin, Darrell Hartman, Hannah Elliott, Ruaridh Nicoll and Nathan King. We talked to Mickey Drexler, Matt Hranek, Jake Lacy and Tom McGuane. That’s a lot of good people who agreed to be part of a shoestring operation. We thought that the release of our newspaper was worth getting together and making a little video. So we planned the way only we can: Michael took a redeye the night before and Coggins drank a bottle of wine. We gave hair and makeup the day off. This was filmed at Libertine, our beloved restaurant in the West Village. Thanks to Cody who let us take over the dining room and Trent for all his help. We’ll still be coming at you as podcast classic, but hope you like this change of pace. And you can order your copy of The Print Edition below. See you at the newsstand, David & Michael This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe

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We’re back from Iceland and celebrate my Atlantic salmon success. Hope you like it! -Michael This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe

This is Nick Hilton. He’s someone who the real menswear people all know and respect. They also like him because he’s a pretty nice guy. If you are interested in style, clothing, and dressing well, then Nick is a good person to meet. He has an interesting story, which he details in his book A Tailor-Made Man. At one point, Nick’s family had one of the world's largest American-made tailored clothing brands. Fun fact: His father gave Ralph Lauren (who worked for Norman Hilton) the seed money to start Polo. This is just one of the many interesting stories surrounding the Hilton family, which Nick chronicles so well in his book. A friend recommended A Tailor-Made Man to me, but Nick reached out to me before I could read it. We met via Zoom, and we spoke for over an hour. I was intrigued with Nick, his family, and his history in menswear. I also liked that Nick has serious opinions about dressing and doesn’t shy away from sharing them. I’ve always been fascinated by the history of things we use in our everyday lives. That’s a big part of what has driven my point of view with ACL through the years. I arrived in New York after many of these apparel manufacturers were gone, but I still could extract some of the stories about the golden years of U.S.-made clothing. I love to hear stories about the prime days of American-made suits when hundreds of thousands were made in Brooklyn and all over the Northeast. Having guests like Nick on the podcast to tell some of these stories is important to me. If you read his book, you’ll understand that era even better. Until then, I hope you enjoy our conversation. Below are two ads from the Norman Hilton natural shoulder glory days.The ACL Podcast is meant to be a companion to the newsletter. You can listen in the Substack App, on Apple Podcasts or via Spotify directly if you prefer that. If you like this story, please consider subscribing and sending it to a friend. As always, I appreciate your support.Big thanks to Al James for lending me his music. The song is Hard Working Dogs by Dolorean. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe

We catch up after a long month away. I talk about Los Angeles, then we get to our usual programming of sad fandom, the Pitti clown show and fishing trips.Hope you like it! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe

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One of the great joys in life is finding a hobby which involves travel. To play tennis in Italy, go fly fishing in Argentina or play golf in South East England (as I am doing this week) is a wonderful prism in which to meet people and see the world. Over the past several years I’ve traveled with The Fliers Club to incredible places that I would have not likely experienced. The discovery of this group has been such an inspiration for me that I wanted to talk to Founder Eric Stepanian about his perspective on travel and golf. Most importantly I wanted to talk about how they have built such an amazing community. Happiness in golf was easy to find, but it was harder to find people who share the same values around the game. Some might not realize just how nuanced golf can be or how it can open up space in your life for happiness via competition, camaraderie and travel. No one has taught me more about the possibilities in golf than Eric. We chat about travel, life, etiquette, merch, and celebrating the ancillary benefits of golf. Hope you enjoy our conversation. The ACL Podcast is meant to be an add-on to the newsletter. You can listen in the Substack App, on Apple Podcasts or via Spotify directly if you prefer that. If you like this story please consider subscribing and sending to a friend. As always I appreciate your support.Big thanks to Al James for lending me his music. The song is: Hard Working Dogs by Dolorean. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe

Kevin McLaughlin is the owner of the beloved New England heritage brand Quaker Marine and the co-founder of J.McLaughlin. He’s a no nonsense New Yorker with an intimate knowledge of the nuts-and-bolts of making clothes. I would have a hard time finding someone more involved in the history of garment manufacturing in New York. It’s a delight to be able to chat and learn from him. When I meet someone like Kevin, my mind starts to race with questions. He’s seen a lot when it comes to making clothes and manufacturing in America. Every year the footprint of New York clothing-makers continues to shrink as factories close. Even in my short time working in the business things have continued to get noticeably smaller. Conversations with guys like Kevin help to preserve some of the history of the garment industry and give it a place in the dialog of today. These stories are but a small tribute to the hard working people of the trade, past and present. I hope you enjoy our conversation. The ACL Podcast is meant to be an add-on to the newsletter. You can listen in the Substack App, on Apple Podcasts or via Spotify directly if you prefer that. If you like this story please consider subscribing and sending to a friend. As always I appreciate your support.Big thanks to Al James for lending me his music. The song is: Hard Working Dogs by Dolorean. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe

Historically there is perhaps no contribution to the game of golf and the Masters Tournament as overlooked as the hardworking, predominantly Black local caddies of Augusta National Golf Club. In a recent update to his book, The Legendary Caddies of Augusta National, Ward Clayton gives a voice to these incredible people and their long overlooked contributions to America’s most prestigious golf club and most famous golf tournament. Following a rule change in 1982, the Masters Tournament was the last of the major championships to allow outside caddies. This meant that players could then bring their own full-time outside caddie, and most players did. Prior to the 1983 Masters every player competing in the invitational tournament used a local caddie who worked at Augusta National Golf Club each season. The majority of the caddie corps was Black and mostly from a nearby community called Sand Hills. These men were highly skilled at navigating the topography of Augusta. No one knew that golf course as well as they did. The acquired expertise of a course as demanding as Augusta National is often learned and perfected over decades. This understanding of the wind, topography and contours of the course was truly an art form. The knowledge was passed down from man-to-man thru generations. Ward’s book rightfully celebrates these often overlooked men who spent their lives guiding some of the best players and most powerful people in the world around the green hills of Augusta National Golf Club. There are few as knowledgeable about the Masters Tournament and golf than Clayton. He is an accomplished sportswriter, author and editorial contributor for Masters.com. In 2019 his book about the Augusta National caddies was the inspiration for the film *Loopers: The Caddie’s Long Walk*, which he also helped to produce. In the book Ward tells the story of caddie (and Atlanta Bus Driver) Walter “Cricket” Pritchett who caddied for Charles Coody during his 1971 Masters win. That story and the explanation for his towel (as pictured above) is in our conversation. I hope you enjoy our chat. The ACL Podcast is meant to be an add-on to the newsletter. You can listen in the Substack App, on Apple Podcasts or via Spotify directly if you prefer that. If you like this story please consider subscribing and sending to a friend. As always I appreciate your support.Big thanks to Al James for lending me his music. The song is: Hard Working Dogs by Dolorean. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe

David’s new book The Believer is out today. This past week I joined him for the launch of the book at The Ranch at Rock Creek in Montana. We sat down to record this podcast and talk about The Believer in detail. We also get into bigger and smaller issues surrounding the main themes in the book — travel, friendship, leisure, acquired skill, patience, our own mortality and of course fishing. This is our 151st podcast together and I think this is one of the best conversations we have had. If you have made it to this page I think it’s safe to say it’s worth your time. I want to say that I am incredibly proud of David for this book. His perspectives in The Believer will no doubt inspire many to push themselves further — be that in fishing or just in life. I like to needle-him and crack jokes, but I think now is a good time as ever to say something serious about David —someone who has become one of the closest people in my life. David is incredibly generous with his time, his patience (while fishing) and his support in life. He’s not just the fishing friend you want, he’s the friend friend you want. David is always the first one to celebrate a win with you, or to provide perspective in something that doesn’t go your way. He’s the best person to go on adventure with — be that to a dive bar in NYC or maybe a continent away. His generosity as a friend exists in many places, but none more than while fishing. He encourages you probably more than you deserve and takes genuine excitement when you do something well. He’s confident enough in what he’s doing to really care about your success and that shows through. Learning to fish with him and getting to see that side of things has reveled a part of our friendship which almost transcends everything else. I’m grateful to him for giving that to me. In a way, The Believer is a similar gift to everyone who reads it. David’s great perspective on life shines through, leaving a lasting impression. I’m lucky to benefit directly from David’s outlook and spirit as a friend. Through his writing we all get a chance for him to enrich our lives in the same way. This book is a beautiful expression of that, and I’m proud to see it out it the world. We are all better off having someone like David to blaze a trail of civility, style and adventure for us. Even if that means putting up with carrying heavy wheel-less luggage and avoiding a FaceTime chat when he’s near. In the end, it’s all very much worth it to have him in our lives. You can read an excerpt in Esquire later this week, buy signed copies from Three Lives or come out to one of these events. The Believer East Coast Tour-April 18. Filson. New York. 6pm.-April 20. American Museum of Fly Fishing. Manchester, VT. 2pm.-May 4. Inness. Accord, NY. 4pm.-May 11. Catskill Fly Fishing Center and Museum. Livingston Manor, NY. 2pm. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.acl.news/subscribe