How 'The Plague' Perfected the Horror of Growing Up

This episode of the No Film School Podcast features two conversations. First, host GG Hawkins reunites with filmmaker Pete Ohs, who returns to share the unique distribution experiment he’s launching with four films releasing throughout 2026. He reflects on his “table of bubbles” filmmaking philosophy and his desire to find joy instead of stress in the release process. Later, GG is joined by composer Hollie Buhagiar, whose original score for GG’s debut feature I Really Love My Husband is now out. They break down their collaborative process in detail, from early cue drafts to the film’s final emotional moments, revealing how bird calls, pitch-shifted vocals, and “surf rock” found their way into the film’s DNA. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests discuss... Pete Ohs’ philosophy of “table of bubbles” and how it’s guiding his 2026 film distribution approach Why Pete is using a different distribution strategy for each of his four new films What feels broken about indie film distribution today — and how to approach it differently Hollie Buhagiar’s journey into composing and her intuitive, emotion-driven scoring method The evolution of the score for I Really Love My Husband, including early drafts and final cues How creative freedom, happy accidents, and imperfect instruments brought the film to life The importance of developing a shared language between director and composer Memorable Quotes: "The films are a table made of bubbles. They cannot support anything." "The biggest result is just — is this fun?" "What's a convincing note?” "With great power comes great responsibility — even for the piano." Guests: Pete Ohs Hollie Buhagiar Resources: Pete's original pod interview Score for I Really Love My Husband on Spotify Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, the tables are turned as No Film School host GG Hawkins becomes the interviewee, speaking with No Film School founder Ryan Koo about the journey of releasing her micro-budget feature I Really Love My Husband. The episode dives into the emotional, logistical, and marketing challenges of putting an independent film into the world after festival premieres and securing distribution. GG shares the lessons she’s learned, the unexpected hurdles she’s faced, and the importance of personal PR, audience-building, and staying true to your creative voice—especially when your movie doesn’t follow traditional paths or genres. In this episode, No Film School’s Ryan Koo and GG Hawkins discuss... The overwhelming and technical process of delivering a film to distributors and platforms How to strategically approach festival and release PR, including budgeting and outreach The importance of having a “community producer” to build your audience from day one Lessons learned from critical feedback, press rejections, and audience reactions How to navigate marketing when your film doesn’t fit neatly into genre boxes The value of making work that represents your voice—even if it’s not a commercial hit What filmmakers should always be working on while waiting for the "yes" from the industry Memorable Quotes: "I would rather make something that makes people feel things one way or the other versus sort of like a lukewarm back." "The only way to know how to make a movie is to make a movie... and then make another." "Greenlight yourself. That is the most important thing any of us can be doing." "It is not the time to pinch pennies... this is the time to spend it.” Resources: How to Write a Movie that Shoots in Three Months You’re Picture Locked. Now What? (Plus Dir. Ruben Fleischer!) Filmmaker’s Guide to SXSW: Tips, Takeaways, Tough Lessons Watch I Really Love My Husband: Apple Amazon Google Play and more Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Host GG Hawkins sits down with filmmaker Charlie Polinger to unpack the making of his debut feature, The Plague. Polinger discusses his transition from theater to film, the personal childhood memories that shaped the story, and how embracing chaos—rather than controlling it—became central to his directing process. From casting an electrifying ensemble of young actors to shaping dread through sound design and editing, the conversation explores how specificity, vulnerability, and trust can turn a coming-of-age story into psychological horror. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest discuss… Transitioning from theater directing to feature filmmaking Drawing from childhood memory to create visceral, psychological horror Why a boys’ water polo camp became the perfect contained setting Casting and directing a large ensemble of young actors Letting location do the storytelling heavy lifting Embracing chaos on set instead of fighting it Building anxiety through sound design and post-production rhythm Hands-on collaboration in the edit and score development Advice for emerging filmmakers on making work consistently Memorable Quotes: “I just wanted to create a really kind of visceral, subjective, psychological experience of being a 12-year-old boy.” “There’s strategy built into the cruelty and the violence and getting away with it—and that felt really ripe cinematically. “The space is sort of like a character in this film.” “The more I put out into the world, the more that the world gave back.” Guest: Charlie Polinger Resources: The Plague EP by Lexi Tannenholtz on Cannes first-timers: A First-Timer’s Guide to the Cannes Film Festival Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, host Charles Haine sits down with cinematographer Oren Soffer to dive deep into the groundbreaking and much-discussed visual style of The Creator. As the co-DP alongside Greig Fraser, Soffer shares how they achieved the film’s unique aesthetic using a prosumer Sony FX3 camera, a single vintage lens, and a minimalist, indie-inspired production model. This discussion covers everything from lighting choices and VFX collaboration to gear workflows and lens testing, offering an in-depth look at how one of the year's most visually striking sci-fi films was crafted. In this episode, No Film School's Charles Haine and guest Oren Soffer discuss... How Oren Soffer became co-DP on The Creator alongside Greig Fraser The decision to shoot 95% of the film on one vintage 75mm Kowa anamorphic lens Using the Sony FX3 with an Atomos Ninja for ProRes RAW capture The benefits of designing visual effects around photography rather than the reverse Lighting choices inspired by naturalism and a small-footprint, indie ethos The influence of films like Baraka and Rogue One on the visual approach Operating with a nimble crew and custom-built gimbal rigs Remote collaboration between Soffer, Fraser, and director Gareth Edwards The impact of location shooting across Southeast Asia Memorable Quotes: "We shot 95 percent of the movie on a single focal length, which is the Kowa Cine Prominar... you're baking the look into the image." "The way to make visual effects feel more real is to let the photography lead." "We wanted to shoot this big movie as if it’s this tiny road movie." "It was an indie film with a 90-day shoot schedule and a full stunt team... but the filmmaking process itself felt really scrappy in the best way possible." Guest: Oren Soffer Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Allan Ungar started directing features at just 23 and has since evolved into a filmmaker known for his action-comedy chops and ability to elicit career-best performances from his actors. In this episode, he sits down with No Film School host, GG Hawkins, to discuss how his approach has matured from rigid control to meaningful collaboration, why psychological insight is essential for directors, and how to create an environment where actors can thrive. From early experiments with camcorders to directing viral hits and the critically acclaimed Bandit and London Calling, Ungar shares a masterclass in the art and strategy of long-term career building in film. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Allan Ungar discuss... Why understanding actor psychology is key to strong performances How Ungar transitioned from controlling sets to creating collaborative environments Techniques to push actors without breaking trust The evolution of Ungar’s directing style across films like Bandit and London Calling Building a career in chapters and managing “hurry up and wait” downtime Why creating your own opportunities is essential in today’s film landscape The importance of casting actors who can improvise and bring ideas How to know when a joke or moment fits the tone of a scene Advice for emerging filmmakers navigating their first projects Memorable Quotes: "Directing is more than just a creative outlet. You have to be good with people." "To be a filmmaker that's in control, you have to let go of control." "I leave no stone unturned. If I don't feel like I have it, I will push until we have it." "You have to figure out how to greenlight yourself." Guest: Allan Ungar Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Screenwriter and showrunner Rebecca Sonnenshine joins the No Film School Podcast to unpack her career and creative process behind hit adaptations including The Boys and The Housemaid. She shares how she got her start, how she discovered her voice in genre, and the intense pitch process behind landing The Housemaid. Rebecca also offers practical advice for writing contained stories, building a compelling script from source material, and creating work that audiences actually want to watch. She shares how she got her start, how she discovered her voice in genre, and the intense pitch process behind landing The Housemaid. Rebecca also offers practical advice for writing contained stories, building a compelling script from source material, and creating work that audiences actually want to watch. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Rebecca Sonnenshine discuss... How Rebecca’s early jobs and script coverage experience helped her become a screenwriter Why she embraced genre writing and how her perspective as a woman informs her work The pitch process for adapting The Housemaid, and how she knew it was the right fit How she avoids voiceover and instead finds cinematic ways to externalize internal character thoughts The importance of blocking and movement when writing contained, single-location stories Her writing habits: page goals, scene sketching, talking out dialogue, and more What filmmakers can learn from writing bottle episodes or adapting material Why thinking about your audience is key to writing something people actually want to watch Memorable Quotes: "I read something and it either clicks or it doesn’t." "Pitching… takes a long time. You need all the twists and turns… but not more than 28 minutes." "I don’t love voiceover. So I had to find a device in which we could get some of their thoughts out." "Blocking is everything. If you’re not thinking about blocking while you’re writing, then you’re doing your project a disservice." Guests: Rebecca Sonnenshine Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, No Film School founder Ryan Koo and host GG Hawkins, along with producer and guest Ana Liza Muravina, dig into the ramifications of the news that Netflix is bidding (or may be outbid by Paramount) to acquire Warner Brothers — and what this massive consolidation could mean for the future of theatrical film, streaming, and the livelihoods of filmmakers. In this episode, No Film School's Ryan Koo, GG Hawkins, and guest Ana Liza Muravina discuss... How theatrical attendance has been in decline for decades, long before COVID — from the post–World War II boom through the arrival of television, home video, and streaming. Why the recent surge in acquisitions and mergers (from Comcast/Universal, Disney/Fox, Amazon/MGM, to the potential Netflix–Warner deal) spells trouble for market competition in both production and distribution. What consolidation means for filmmakers trying to get projects financed and sold — fewer buyers, fewer distribution windows, and diminished bidding wars that once supported indie and mid‑budget films. The potential financial upside for studios and executives (like David Zaslav), contrasted with the limited upside — or none — for writers, directors, actors, and other creative laborers. The possible benefits of global streaming platforms: ability to reach worldwide audiences, support for diverse or niche stories (e.g., a basketball movie about a young Black player), and access for filmmakers outside traditional Hollywood systems. How now more than ever filmmakers might need to pivot: embrace scrappy, independent means of production/distribution, build creative communities, and consider alternate funding — rather than relying on traditional studio financing and residual structures. That this may be a painful but necessary transition: the collapse of one ecosystem could open space for a new kind of filmmaking — more distinct voices, counterculture, experimentation, and potentially a new model for how films get made and distributed. Memorable Quotes: “I pitched my Netflix movie 80 times — I got 79 no’s and I got one yes.” “In a world where all the ways in which my piece of content can be exploited … are concentrated, it forces you to think about what are the other sources.” “You hit pause, you hibernate for a minute … and you don’t feel like that’s the end of the freaking world.” “This is the math all of us are doing all the time … If you follow one person benefiting to the tune of a billion dollars … from the sale of a company … it tells you exactly why so many people had to leave L.A…” Guests: Ana Liza Muravina Resources: Ana Liza's Previous No Film School Appearance 'Prince of Broadway' Director Sean Baker on No-Budget Filmmaking, Improvisation, and Long Release Cycles Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School (https://nofilmschool.com/) Facebook: No Film School on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschool) Twitter: No Film School on Twitter (https://twitter.com/nofilmschool) YouTube: No Film School on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschool) Instagram: No Film School on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/nofilmschool)  📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, cinematographer Gayle Ye joins host GG Hawkins for an intimate and wide-ranging conversation about artistry, identity, and what it means to lead with authenticity as a DP. Gayle, who recently won a Canadian Screen Award for Paying For It and Late Bloomer, breaks down their creative process, from building visual language to managing crew dynamics. As the youngest and first queer, gender-fluid person of color to win a Daytime Emmy for lighting design, Gayle shares how they use their voice and position to advocate for meaningful change in the industry—on set and beyond. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Gayle Ye discuss... Gayle's path from shooting webcam videos in high school to winning a Daytime Emmy How their background in editing informs their cinematography Visual strategies and “cinematography pillars” used in Paying For It Shooting intimacy scenes with care and collaboration Why being a “Dream Manager” is a key part of being a DP The role of mentorship, advocacy, and representation in Gayle’s career Building visual tone in dramedy series Late Bloomer Advice for underrepresented filmmakers breaking into the industry Memorable Quotes: “I preferred to be on set for 14 hours than in a dark room for eight.” “I'm not here to just show up and throw all my cool shot ideas. I really need to immerse myself in the story.” “If I made it, then it’s an Asian and queer film. It doesn’t matter what the content is.” “A DP is also a Dream Manager—negotiating between vision and budget.” Guests: Gayle Ye Resources: BIPOC TV & Film Canadian Film Centre Scriptation GoodNotes Artemis Pro Sunseeker App Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram  📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

GG Hawkins speaks with directors Jessica Dimmock and Zackary Canepari about their haunting and thought-provoking HBO documentary Thoughts & Prayers. The film offers a chillingly observational look at the normalization of school shootings in America—not by focusing on the tragedies themselves, but by examining the surreal, billion-dollar industry of “school safety” that's risen in their aftermath. Through restrained cinematography and a surprisingly dark sense of humor, Dimmock and Canepari capture how everyday life continues against the backdrop of unimaginable trauma, and how children are often more articulate than adults about the realities they face. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests discuss... How the project evolved from a photo series to a full-length documentary The cultural and industrial normalization of school shootings in America Why the film avoids graphic depictions of violence and instead focuses on the systems around it The use of stillness, humor, and wide shots as storytelling tools Casting nontraditional “characters” in a documentary format The emotional challenges of working with children on such a sensitive topic Co-directing as creative collaborators and partners The gear and post-production tools that made the film possible Why the title Thoughts & Prayers was chosen and how satire plays into it Memorable Quotes: "In the middle of learning your ABCs, you pause to practice for mass death, and then you go back to learning... that's the chilling part." "Cut this more like a scene in a Christopher Guest film than in an important documentary.” "None of the adults ever say anything about guns... it's always the kids." "We're not going to practice our way out of this." Guests: Jessica Dimmock Zackary Canepari Resources: Thoughts & Prayers on HBO Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of the No Film School podcast, GG Hawkins and Ryan Koo dig into the often‑murky world of film release strategy and distribution from multiple angles—and then sit down with acclaimed filmmaker Ruben Fleischer to trace his path from indie start to big‑budget studio productions. In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins, Ryan Koo, and guest Ruben Fleischer discuss… GG’s journey with her micro‑budget feature I Really Love My Husband: festival strategy, light theatrical run, and streaming rollout The importance of marketing and audience‑building even for indie films (“the extra 50% of effort after picture‑lock”) Festival submission strategy: premium “buyer’s festivals” vs regional festivals, world‑premiere constraints, and timing decisions Tools and tactics: creating trailer/sizzle assets, leveraging sales & festival reps, doing the reference‑check on distributors Real‑world rejection: extracting learning from “pass” notes and small deals, how to choose between flashy name vs partner who will work for you The one‑to‑one interview with Ruben Fleischer: his early career, moving from shorts/commmercials to features, how he handles large‑scale shoots, visualising scenes, leading big crews, and navigating reshoots Ruben’s key pieces of advice for emerging filmmakers: making things now, learning by doing, honing your craft by continuing to create A bonus deep‑dive into how even locked‑picture films still require a lot of narrative strategy, deliverables, and business savvy in order to land distribution Memorable Quotes: “If you are going to bend over backwards, invest all this time, energy, and effort into making a film, but you’re not going to do the same for getting the word out there … you are setting yourself up for failure.” “Submitting to a film festival is like getting down on one knee and asking someone to marry you, but then you have to wait months for the response.” “I always go in with an intention of how I would imagine blocking the scene… but I’m also very flexible in working with actors.” “The only real way to direct stuff is to go out and do it.” Guests: Ruben Fleischer Resources: Shoot in Three Months – No Film School Filmmaker’s Guide to SXSW – No Film School A First‑Timer’s Guide to the Cannes Film Festival – No Film School Microbudget Filmmaker Podcast – No Film School Why Indie Film Distribution Is About to Go Punk Rock – No Film School Where to watch I Really Love My Husband: Apple TV: I Really Love My Husband Amazon: I Really Love My Husband Google Play: I Really Love My Husband Where to watch Amateur (Ryan’s first feature): Netflix Ryan’s podcast series First Feature – a case study about the making of Amateur: SoundCloud – No Film School Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School (https://nofilmschool.com/) Facebook: No Film School on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschool) Twitter: No Film School on Twitter (https://twitter.com/nofilmschool) YouTube: No Film School on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschool) Instagram: No Film School on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/nofilmschool)  📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices