#86 περὶ τοῦ Πλάτωνος σπηλαίου α᾽

χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! Here is part 2 of our series on Plato's Atlantis. This time we are talking about the founding of the island by Poseidon.εὐωχεῖσθε τοῦ ἐπεισοδίου!Josep & LeandrosHere are the sections discussed:(113 β) καθάπερ ἐν τοῖς πρόσθεν ἐλέχθη περὶ τῆς τῶν θεῶν λήξεως, ὅτι κατενείμαντο γῆν πᾶσαν ἔνθα μὲν μείζους λήξεις, ἔνθα δὲ καὶ ἐλάττους, ἱερὰ θυσίας τε αὑτοῖς κατασκευάζοντες, οὕτω δὴ καὶ τὴν νῆσον Ποσειδῶν τὴν Ἀτλαντίδα λαχὼν ἐκγόνους αὑτοῦ κατῴκισεν ἐκ θνητῆς γυναικὸς γεννήσας ἔν τινι τόπῳ τοιῷδε τῆς νήσου. (113 δ) τούτῳ δ᾽ ἦν ἔνοικος τῶν ἐκεῖ κατὰ ἀρχὰς ἐκ γῆς ἀνδρῶν γεγονότων Εὐήνωρ μὲν ὄνομα, γυναικὶ δὲ συνοικῶν Λευκίππῃ: Κλειτὼ δὲ μονογενῆ θυγατέρα ἐγεννησάσθην. ἤδη δ᾽ εἰς ἀνδρὸς ὥραν ἡκούσης τῆς κόρης ἥ τε μήτηρ τελευτᾷ καὶ ὁ πατήρ, αὐτῆς δὲ εἰς ἐπιθυμίαν Ποσειδῶν ἐλθὼν συμμείγνυται, καὶ τὸν γήλοφον, ἐν ᾧ κατῴκιστο, ποιῶν εὐερκῆ περιρρήγνυσιν κύκλῳ, θαλάττης γῆς τε ἐναλλὰξ ἐλάττους μείζους τε περὶ ἀλλήλους ποιῶν τροχούς.Check out Ioannes Stratakis' audiobook of Plato's Critias as mentioned in the episode:https://ancientgreek.eu/audiobooks/plato-critias.html

χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! Here is the first episode in a new run on Atlantis discussing a short section from Plato's Critias (108 δ - 109 α). καλῶς ὑμῖν γένοιτο!Josep & LeandrosHere is the section we discuss:μνησθέντες γὰρ ἱκανῶς καὶ ἀπαγγείλαντες τά ποτε ῥηθέντα ὑπὸ τῶν ἱερέων καὶ δεῦρο ὑπὸ Σόλωνος κομισθέντα σχεδὸν οἶδ᾽ ὅτι τῷδε τῷ θεάτρῳ δόξομεν τὰ προσήκοντα μετρίως ἀποτετελεκέναι. τοῦτ᾽ οὖν αὔτ᾽ ἤδη δραστέον, καὶ μελλητέον οὐδὲν ἔτι. πάντων δὴ πρῶτον μνησθῶμεν ὅτι τὸ κεφάλαιον ἦν ἐνακισχίλια ἔτη, ἀφ᾽ οὗ γεγονὼς ἐμηνύθη πόλεμος τοῖς θ᾽ ὑπὲρ Ἡρακλείας στήλας ἔξω κατοικοῦσιν καὶ τοῖς ἐντὸς πᾶσιν: ὃν δεῖ νῦν διαπεραίνειν. τῶν μὲν οὖν ἥδε ἡ πόλις ἄρξασα καὶ πάντα τὸν πόλεμον διαπολεμήσασα ἐλέγετο, τῶν δ᾽ οἱ τῆς Ἀτλαντίδος νήσου βασιλῆς, ἣν δὴ Λιβύης καὶ Ἀσίας μείζω νῆσον οὖσαν ἔφαμεν εἶναί ποτε, νῦν δὲ ὑπὸ σεισμῶν δῦσαν ἄπορον πηλὸν τοῖς ἐνθένδε ἐκπλέουσιν ἐπὶ τὸ πᾶν πέλαγος, ὥστε μηκέτι πορεύεσθαι, κωλυτὴν παρασχεῖν.Support the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/ Send us an email: [email protected] 

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χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! Here is the 4th and final episode on Plato's cave. We have had great fun reading this and hope that you have found it either educational or at least entertaining. Next time we will read the section from Plato's Critias on Atlantis, so stay tuned!καλῶς ὑμῖν γένοιτο,Josep & LeandrosHere is the section we discuss:τιμαὶ δὲ καὶ ἔπαινοι εἴ τινες αὐτοῖς ἦσαν τότε παρ᾽ ἀλλήλων καὶ γέρα τῷ ὀξύτατα καθορῶντι τὰ παριόντα, καὶ μνημονεύοντι μάλιστα ὅσα τε πρότερα αὐτῶν καὶ ὕστερα εἰώθει καὶ ἅμα πορεύεσθαι, καὶ ἐκ τούτων δὴ δυνατώτατα ἀπομαντευομένῳ τὸ μέλλον ἥξειν, δοκεῖς ἂν αὐτὸν ἐπιθυμητικῶς αὐτῶν ἔχειν καὶ ζηλοῦν τοὺς παρ᾽ ἐκείνοις τιμωμένους τε καὶ ἐνδυναστεύοντας, ἢ τὸ τοῦ Ὁμήρου ἂν πεπονθέναι καὶ σφόδρα βούλεσθαι ‘“ἐπάρουρον ἐόντα θητευέμεν ἄλλῳ ἀνδρὶ παρ᾽ ἀκλήρῳ” Hom. Od. 11.489’ καὶ ὁτιοῦν ἂν πεπονθέναι; μᾶλλον ἢ 'κεῖνά τε δοξάζειν καὶ ἐκείνως ζῆν; οὕτως, ἔφη, ἔγωγε οἶμαι, πᾶν μᾶλλον πεπονθέναι ἂν δέξασθαι ἢ ζῆν ἐκείνως.καὶ τόδε δὴ ἐννόησον, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ. εἰ πάλιν ὁ τοιοῦτος καταβὰς εἰς τὸν αὐτὸν θᾶκον καθίζοιτο, ἆρ᾽ οὐ σκότους ἂν ἀνάπλεως σχοίη τοὺς ὀφθαλμούς, ἐξαίφνης ἥκων ἐκ τοῦ ἡλίου;καὶ μάλα γ᾽, ἔφη.τὰς δὲ δὴ σκιὰς ἐκείνας πάλιν εἰ δέοι αὐτὸν γνωματεύοντα διαμιλλᾶσθαι τοῖς ἀεὶ δεσμώταις ἐκείνοις, ἐν ᾧ ἀμβλυώττει, πρὶν καταστῆναι τὰ ὄμματα, οὗτος δ᾽ ὁ χρόνος μὴ πάνυ ὀλίγος εἴη τῆς συνηθείας, ἆρ᾽ οὐ γέλωτ᾽ ἂν παράσχοι, καὶ λέγοιτο ἂν περὶ αὐτοῦ ὡς ἀναβὰς ἄνω διεφθαρμένος ἥκει τὰ ὄμματα, καὶ ὅτι οὐκ ἄξιον οὐδὲ πειρᾶσθαι ἄνω ἰέναι; καὶ τὸν ἐπιχειροῦντα λύειν τε καὶ ἀνάγειν, εἴ πως ἐν ταῖς χερσὶ δύναιντο λαβεῖν καὶ ἀποκτείνειν, ἀποκτεινύναι ἄν;σφόδρα γ᾽, ἔφη.ταύτην τοίνυν, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, τὴν εἰκόνα, ὦ φίλε Γλαύκων.Support the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/ Send us an email: [email protected] 

χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! Here is part 3 of our series on Plato's cave. This time we discuss the prisoner's reactions to the "real" world outside the cave (515d-516c7).καλῶς ὑμῖν γένοιτο!Josep & LeandrosHere is the section we discuss:οὐκοῦν κἂν εἰ πρὸς αὐτὸ τὸ φῶς ἀναγκάζοι αὐτὸν βλέπειν, ἀλγεῖν τε ἂν τὰ ὄμματα καὶ φεύγειν ἀποστρεφόμενον πρὸς ἐκεῖνα ἃ δύναται καθορᾶν, καὶ νομίζειν ταῦτα τῷ ὄντι σαφέστερα τῶν δεικνυμένων;οὕτως, ἔφη.εἰ δέ, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, ἐντεῦθεν ἕλκοι τις αὐτὸν βίᾳ διὰ τραχείας τῆς ἀναβάσεως καὶ ἀνάντους, καὶ μὴ ἀνείη πρὶν ἐξελκύσειεν εἰς τὸ τοῦ ἡλίου φῶς, ἆρα οὐχὶ ὀδυνᾶσθαί τε ἂν καὶ ἀγανακτεῖν ἑλκόμενον, καὶ ἐπειδὴ πρὸς τὸ φῶς ἔλθοι, αὐγῆς ἂν ἔχοντα τὰ ὄμματα μεστὰ ὁρᾶν οὐδʼ ἂν ἓν δύνασθαι τῶν νῦν λεγομένων ἀληθῶν;οὐ γὰρ ἄν, ἔφη, ἐξαίφνης γε.συνηθείας δὴ οἶμαι δέοιτʼ ἄν, εἰ μέλλοι τὰ ἄνω ὄψεσθαι. καὶ πρῶτον μὲν τὰς σκιὰς ἂν ῥᾷστα καθορῷ, καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο ἐν τοῖς ὕδασι τά τε τῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ τὰ τῶν ἄλλων εἴδωλα, ὕστερον δὲ αὐτά· ἐκ δὲ τούτων τὰ ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ καὶ αὐτὸν τὸν οὐρανὸν νύκτωρ ἂν ῥᾷον θεάσαιτο, προσβλέπων τὸ τῶν ἄστρων τε καὶ σελήνης φῶς, ἢ μεθʼ ἡμέραν τὸν ἥλιόν τε καὶ τὸ τοῦ ἡλίου.πῶς δʼ οὔ;τελευταῖον δὴ οἶμαι τὸν ἥλιον, οὐκ ἐν ὕδασιν οὐδʼ ἐν ἀλλοτρίᾳ ἕδρᾳ φαντάσματα αὐτοῦ, ἀλλʼ αὐτὸν καθʼ αὑτὸν ἐν τῇ αὑτοῦ χώρᾳ δύναιτʼ ἂν κατιδεῖν καὶ θεάσασθαι οἷός ἐστιν.ἀναγκαῖον, ἔφη.καὶ μετὰ ταῦτʼ ἂν ἤδη συλλογίζοιτο περὶ αὐτοῦ ὅτι οὗτος ὁ τάς τε ὥρας παρέχων καὶ ἐνιαυτοὺς καὶ πάντα ἐπιτροπεύων τὰ ἐν τῷ ὁρωμένῳ τόπῳ, καὶ ἐκείνων ὧν σφεῖς ἑώρων τρόπον τινὰ πάντων αἴτιος.δῆλον, ἔφη, ὅτι ἐπὶ ταῦτα ἂν μετʼ ἐκεῖνα ἔλθοι.τί οὖν; ἀναμιμνῃσκόμενον αὐτὸν τῆς πρώτης οἰκήσεως καὶ τῆς ἐκεῖ σοφίας καὶ τῶν τότε συνδεσμωτῶν οὐκ ἂν οἴει αὑτὸν μὲν εὐδαιμονίζειν τῆς μεταβολῆς, τοὺς δὲ ἐλεεῖν;καὶ μάλα.Support the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/ Send us an email: [email protected] 

χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! Here is part 2 of our close reading of Plato's cave (Rep. 7. 515b7-515d8). This time we discuss the man's reaction when he is released from captivity. καλῶς ὑμῖν γένοιτο!Josep & LeandrosHere is the section we discuss:τί δ᾽ εἰ καὶ ἠχὼ τὸ δεσμωτήριον ἐκ τοῦ καταντικρὺ ἔχοι; ὁπότε τις τῶν παριόντων φθέγξαιτο, οἴει ἂν ἄλλο τι αὐτοὺς ἡγεῖσθαι τὸ φθεγγόμενον ἢ τὴν παριοῦσαν σκιάν;μὰ Δί᾽ οὐκ ἔγωγ᾽, ἔφη.παντάπασι δή, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, οἱ τοιοῦτοι οὐκ ἂν ἄλλο τι νομίζοιεν τὸ ἀληθὲς ἢ τὰς τῶν σκευαστῶν σκιάς.πολλὴ ἀνάγκη, ἔφη.σκόπει δή, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, αὐτῶν λύσιν τε καὶ ἴασιν τῶν τε δεσμῶν καὶ τῆς ἀφροσύνης, οἵα τις ἂν εἴη, εἰ φύσει τοιάδε συμβαίνοι αὐτοῖς: ὁπότε τις λυθείη καὶ ἀναγκάζοιτο ἐξαίφνης ἀνίστασθαί τε καὶ περιάγειν τὸν αὐχένα καὶ βαδίζειν καὶ πρὸς τὸ φῶς ἀναβλέπειν, πάντα δὲ ταῦτα ποιῶν ἀλγοῖ τε καὶ διὰ τὰς μαρμαρυγὰς ἀδυνατοῖ καθορᾶν ἐκεῖνα ὧν τότε τὰς σκιὰς ἑώρα, τί ἂν οἴει αὐτὸν εἰπεῖν, εἴ τις αὐτῷ λέγοι ὅτι τότε μὲν ἑώρα φλυαρίας, νῦν δὲ μᾶλλόν τι ἐγγυτέρω τοῦ ὄντος καὶ πρὸς μᾶλλον ὄντα τετραμμένος ὀρθότερον βλέποι, καὶ δὴ καὶ ἕκαστον τῶν παριόντων δεικνὺς αὐτῷ ἀναγκάζοι ἐρωτῶν ἀποκρίνεσθαι ὅτι ἔστιν; οὐκ οἴει αὐτὸν ἀπορεῖν τε ἂν καὶ ἡγεῖσθαι τὰ τότε ὁρώμενα ἀληθέστερα ἢ τὰ νῦν δεικνύμενα;πολύ γ᾽, ἔφη.Support the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/ Send us an email: [email protected] 

χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! This week we continue with Plato with part 1 of a close reading on his cave allegory (Rep. 7, 514a-515b). What does it mean? Are we all trapped in Plato's cave? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!καλῶς ὑμῖν γένοιτο,Josep & LeandrosHere are the sections we discuss: μετὰ ταῦτα δή, εἶπον, ἀπείκασον τοιούτῳ πάθει τὴν ἡμετέραν φύσιν παιδείας τε πέρι καὶ ἀπαιδευσίας. ἰδὲ γὰρ ἀνθρώπους οἷον ἐν καταγείῳ οἰκήσει σπηλαιώδει, ἀναπεπταμένην πρὸς τὸ φῶς τὴν εἴσοδον ἐχούσῃ μακρὰν παρὰ πᾶν τὸ σπήλαιον, ἐν ταύτῃ ἐκ παίδων ὄντας ἐν δεσμοῖς καὶ τὰ σκέλη καὶ τοὺς αὐχένας, ὥστε μένειν τε αὐτοὺς εἴς τε τὸ πρόσθεν μόνον ὁρᾶν, κύκλῳ δὲ τὰς κεφαλὰς ὑπὸ τοῦ δεσμοῦ ἀδυνάτους περιάγειν, φῶς δὲ αὐτοῖς πυρὸς ἄνωθεν καὶ πόρρωθεν καόμενον ὄπισθεν αὐτῶν, μεταξὺ δὲ τοῦ πυρὸς καὶ τῶν δεσμωτῶν ἐπάνω ὁδόν, παρ᾽ ἣν ἰδὲ τειχίον παρῳκοδομημένον, ὥσπερ τοῖς θαυματοποιοῖς πρὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων πρόκειται τὰ παραφράγματα, ὑπὲρ ὧν τὰ θαύματα δεικνύασιν.ὅρα τοίνυν παρὰ τοῦτο τὸ τειχίον φέροντας ἀνθρώπους σκεύη τε παντοδαπὰ ὑπερέχοντα τοῦ τειχίου καὶ ἀνδριάντας καὶ ἄλλα ζῷα λίθινά τε καὶ ξύλινα καὶ παντοῖα εἰργασμένα, οἷον εἰκὸς τοὺς μὲν φθεγγομένους, τοὺς δὲ σιγῶντας τῶν παραφερόντων.ἄτοπον, ἔφη, λέγεις εἰκόνα καὶ δεσμώτας ἀτόπους.ὁμοίους ἡμῖν, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ: τοὺς γὰρ τοιούτους πρῶτον μὲν ἑαυτῶν τε καὶ ἀλλήλων οἴει ἄν τι ἑωρακέναι ἄλλο πλὴν τὰς σκιὰς τὰς ὑπὸ τοῦ πυρὸς εἰς τὸ καταντικρὺ αὐτῶν τοῦ σπηλαίου προσπιπτούσας;πῶς γάρ, ἔφη, εἰ ἀκινήτους γε τὰς κεφαλὰς ἔχειν ἠναγκασμένοι εἶεν διὰ βίου;τί δὲ τῶν παραφερομένων; οὐ ταὐτὸν τοῦτο;τί μήν;εἰ οὖν διαλέγεσθαι οἷοί τ᾽ εἶεν πρὸς ἀλλήλους, οὐ ταῦτα ἡγῇ ἂν τὰ ὄντα αὐτοὺς νομίζειν ἅπερ ὁρῷεν;ἀνάγκη.Support the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/ Send us an email: [email protected] 

χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! This week we are talking about Plato as a general introduction to the man and his work and next time we will begin a run of episodes reading some key sections from his Republic.Enjoy the episode!Josep & LeandrosSupport the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/ Send us an email: [email protected] 

χαίρετε, ὦ ἀκροαταί! This week we continue joking about Atlantis and Plato's cave as a bit of a soft introduction as we aim to read those sections from Plato's dialogues over the next few episodes. καλῶς ὑμῖν γένοιτο!Josep & LeandrosSupport the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809 Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/ Send us an email: [email protected] 

βρεκεκεκὲξ κοὰξ κοάξ! This week's episode is a little different as instead of talking about the text, as we usually do, we have created a totally original role play or pseudo comedy based on the Frogs. We hope that you have as much fun listening as we had writing and performing it! καλῶς ὑμῖν γένοιτο! Josep & Leandros Support the podcast and get access to episodes in advance as well as bonus materials such as listening exercises and episode transcripts: https://www.patreon.com/Hellenizdein  Follow us on “Twitter”: https://x.com/ancientgreekpod  Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/leighcobley.bsky.social  Join our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/604916774052809  Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ancientgreekpodcast/  Send us an email: [email protected]