Episode 323 - Chaka Khan

Sodajerker On Songwriting turns 15 today! To mark the occasion, we got together for a special bonus anniversary episode to look back on 15 years of making this show, answer listener questions, and reflect on what we've learned along the way. During the conversation, we discuss the craft of interviewing songwriters, the painstaking work of recording and editing, and the advice that has found its way into our own creativity. We remember guests we've lost, pick the songwriters we'd go back in time to interview, and share some news about what's coming next from us. Thanks to everyone who has supported us on our journey so far!

Teenage Fanclub's Norman Blake and Raymond McGinley join Sodajerker to discuss the band's new record Do Not Dare To Dream and the working methods that have kept the songs coming for more than three decades. The guys explain why nobody in the band second-guesses anyone else's idea and how a keyboard found in a studio cupboard can end up defining a record. They also talk about capturing fragments on their phones, booking the studio to set a deadline, and the discipline of calling a record finished and moving on to the next one.

This bonus episode of the podcast was recorded live on 4 September 2026 as part of the Sodajerker Songwriting Lab at the Royal Birmingham Conservatoire. Our special guests were two-time Ivor Novello winner Sacha Skarbek (Adele, James Blunt, Miley Cyrus) and songwriter, producer and session musician Ben Parker (Paolo Nutini, Paul Weller, Sons of Town Hall). Together, they are co-founders of the Skarbek Songwriting Academy. Before an audience of 15 writers about to co-write together for the first time, Sacha and Ben talked about their approach to songwriting, the challenges of working in the music business, and what it takes to collaborate at the highest level. If you'd like to come to a future Sodajerker songwriting workshop, join our mailing list or get in touch through the website.

Chaka Khan joins Simon and Brian to discuss her new album Chakzilla, a dance-pop record co-written with Sia and Greg Kurstin, and named after the Godzilla films she grew up loving. Chaka also looks back on classic hits like 'I'm Every Woman' and 'Through the Fire', writing poetry for Rufus and Prince, receiving 'Ain't Nobody' fully formed from David "Hawk" Wolinski, and lying at Anthony Jackson's feet to study his bass playing.

Brandon Flowers of The Killers joins Sodajerker to discuss his new solo album Thrasher, a country record cut live at Nashville's RCA Studio A. Brandon explains how the album returns him to the music his father raised him on, and the lessons that still underpin his fighting spirit today. He also discusses how U2 informed 'Mr. Brightside', what he learned about pre-choruses from Oasis, and writing on the piano Elton John sent to his house.

On Friday 4 September 2026 we're running the first Sodajerker Songwriting Lab at the Royal Birmingham Conservatoire, with acclaimed songwriters Sacha Skarbek and Ben Parker of the Skarbek Songwriting Academy. The workshop will feature a live Sodajerker interview with our guests, then a day of writing in small groups with guidance and feedback from Sacha and Ben. Places are limited, so have a listen to the announcement and decide whether you'd like to join us! To enrol for the Sodajerker Songwriting Lab visit https://sodajerker.com/lab

On this very special episode, the legendary Phil Collins joins Sodajerker to mark the 45th anniversary of his solo debut Face Value, which arrives as a deluxe reissue in September. Phil explains how songs like 'In the Air Tonight' grew out of "mucking about" in his home studio, and why intuition counts for more in his writing than formal technique. He also discusses writing with Genesis, working with Brian Eno, Lamont Dozier, and the Earth, Wind & Fire horns, and creating the Oscar-winning 'You'll Be in My Heart' for Disney's Tarzan.

Singer-songwriter and producer Beth Orton joins Simon and Brian for a conversation about the writing of her latest record The Ground Above. Beth shares how she turns instinctive first ideas into finished songs, the independence that came with producing her own records, and the influence of two formative relationships: her early collaborations with William Orbit and her guitar lessons with Bert Jansch.

Songwriter and producer Linda Perry discusses Let It Die Here, her first solo album in over 25 years, and its accompanying documentary, which offers a candid look at her life and creative process. Linda explains the ways that grief and the loss of her mother are bound up in the work, the role of vulnerability in songwriting, and what she's looking for when she collaborates with an artist in the studio.

Sean Ono Lennon joins Sodajerker to discuss The Great Parrot Ox and the Golden Egg of Empathy, the new sci-fi concept album from the Claypool Lennon Delirium. Sean talks about collaborating with Les Claypool, creating characters and mythology for the record, and exploring the dangers of artificial intelligence. We also examine the duo's use of wordplay, Sean's eclectic musical influences, and the lessons he absorbed from his parents.