We Argue, We Rant, We Recap 2025: A PMLE Holiday Spectacular

This week, we’re bringing you a special (and very fun) variety show-style holiday episode. Listen to hear Kaila and Kyle quiz each other on 2025 news trivia, followed by a listener-submitted Am I the A******?, 2025 work rants, and finally our rose, bud, thorn of 2025. 00:00 Intro 01:31 2025 Workplace Trivia 18:26 Listener-submitted “Am I the A******?” Segment 24:12 Work rants 30:36 2025 Rose, Bud, and Thorn This episode was sponsored by Industrious. Try out Industrious for yourself with a day pass OR a meeting room booking, now 50% off for Per My Last Email listeners. Visit industriousoffice.com/pmle to get your discount or free tour.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle break down their simple and effective End of Year Reflection Framework, which will help you give the best end-of-year performance review possible.  00:00 Intro 01:55 Kaila and Kyle’s 2025 overall vibe check 04:52 Step one of the reflection framework 08:34 Step two of the reflection framework 16:01 Big takeaways from completing the first two steps of the 4-step reflection framework 19:35 Step three of the reflection framework 27:46 Step four of the reflection framework 34:39 Step five of the reflection framework This episode was sponsored by Industrious. Try out Industrious for yourself with a day pass OR a meeting room booking, now 50% off for Per My Last Email listeners. Visit industriousoffice.com/pmle to get your discount or free tour.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this very special bonus episode of PMLE, Kaila and Kyle are joined by comedian, actor, and producer Joel Kim Booster to get his holiday hot takes. Listen to hear how Joel would organize his own office holiday party, the rule he thinks would make corporate America more fun, and his honest opinions in a round of Iconic of Moronic.  00:00 Intro 00:31 What Joel’s performance review would say if he held an office job today 02:02 The most unhinged party theme Joel would institute if he were in charge of the office holiday party 03:09 The office rule Joel would put in place that would make everyone’s work a little more chaotic and a lot more fun 04:34 Rapid Fire Round 09:34 Iconic or Moronic Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss both how family has influenced their career paths, how they talk about work with their families, and the importance of figuring out what the right amount of spillover is between work and family life. 00:00 Intro 01:40 How Kaila and Kyle talk about work with their families 07:28 The “spillover-crossover model” 13:19 The danger of co-rumination 15:42 How Kaila’s family influenced her career path 20:34 How Kyle’s family influenced his career path 25:12 Tactics This episode was sponsored by Industrious. Try out Industrious for yourself with a day pass OR a meeting room booking, now 50% off for Per My Last Email listeners. Visit industriousoffice.com/pmle to get your discount or free tour.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is it possible for us to start to digitally “detox” while still leveling up at work? In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Kate Noel (host of the podcast People Person, and Morning Brew’s SVP of People Operations) to talk about how we can start to become less dependent on our screens, while still remaining diligent at our jobs.  00:00 Intro 02:53 Should we even be trying to digitally detox? 06:37 How Kate, as an HR leader, is approaching organizational boundary setting 10:55 How to cultivate a boundary-respecting culture within an organization 15:08 How to help cultivate a boundary-respecting culture as an individual contributor 17:27 A different way to think about “work-life balance” 22:12 Should we be on our phones when we’re not working? 27:15 “You don’t rise to the level of your willpower, you fall to the level of your systems.” 32:49 An important thing to consider if you’re feeling overwhelmed at work 34:12 Final tactics for setting better boundaries at work This episode was sponsored by Industrious. Try out Industrious for yourself with a day pass OR a meeting room booking, now 50% off for Per My Last Email listeners. Visit industriousoffice.com/pmle to get your discount or free tour.  Check out People Person here: https://www.podpage.com/people-person/  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle break down and debate the worst career advice they’ve ever heard, and what they think you should do instead. 00:00 Intro 02:45 Bad advice #1 09:28 Bad advice #2 16:28 Bad advice #3 23:30 Bad advice #4 27:50 Work rant This episode was sponsored by Industrious. Try out Industrious for yourself with a day pass OR a meeting room booking, now 50% off for Per My Last Email listeners. Visit industriousoffice.com/pmle to get your discount or free tour.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle dig into “crisis culture” at work—what it is, how it came about, and what you can do about it if you’re experiencing it in your own workplace.  00:00 Intro 01:35 What is “workplace crisis culture”? 02:35 Why is this crisis culture happening? 09:49 How crisis culture has affected Kaila’s career 14:42 Kyle’s own experience with crisis culture 19:14 Another way to think about urgency 21:07 Tips and tactics for handling a workplace crisis culture This episode was sponsored by Superhuman. You can check out Superhuman today at superhuman.com/podcast.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle sit down with journalist, media executive, entrepreneur, and NKA Media founder Nora Ali to talk about the realities of becoming your own boss. Nora gets extremely candid about what pursuing entrepreneurship really looks like in detailing her transition from the traditional 9 - 5 to founding her former startup Mason Media.   00:00 Intro 02:09 Nora’s career trajectory 05:15 Why Nora decided to pursue starting her own business when she did 09:09 The unexpected downsides of becoming your own boss 16:21 The physical toll being an entrepreneur took on Nora 18:12 How Nora navigated the transition from a creative career to having to handle the business side of her own business 24:53 On debating whether or not to re-join corporate America 27:06 Advice for people considering making the leap into entrepreneurship  29:02 The value of having a life or career “theme” 31:40 A final piece of advice for an aspiring entrepreneur This episode was sponsored by Superhuman. You can check out Superhuman today at superhuman.com/podcast.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle give their strong and uninhibited opinions on some more spicy work-related AITA Redditor submissions. From refusing to cover for colleagues to reporting them to HR, this episode brings the drama.  00:00 Intro 02:23 Scenario #1 - The Credit Thief 09:35 Scenario # 2 - The Scrooge Boss 17:02 Scenario #3 - The Shady Firm 21:54 Scenario #4 - The Office Narc This episode was sponsored by Superhuman.  You can check out Superhuman today at superhuman.com/podcast.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the demise of the traditional corporate structure—from co-CEOs, to the elimination of middle managers, and even the death of workplace loyalty. It seems like everything we know about the way companies are organized are changing, so what does this mean for you? 00:00 Intro 01:43 What’s unique about this moment in time for workplaces 04:36 A possible explanation for why these company structures keep changing 07:46 The AT&T memo and how workplace loyalty has changed 13:18 So what comes next for corporate structures? 14:25 “The Dead Economy Theory”  17:08 The example of Zappos’ “holacracy”  22:38 What you can do to brace yourself in this evolving landscape This episode was sponsored by Superhuman.  You can check out Superhuman today at superhuman.com/podcast.  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices