44 No Man’s Land: Elizabeth Slays (the IOA)

In this episode, the team (Ash, Sam and Tor) discuss the Season 3 opener, 3x01 "No Man’s Land." Join us as we gush over Elizabeth, laugh at John's Sheppardisms, and crown Rodney/Ronon the greatest Stargate yaoi of all time. TIMESTAMPS: 2:50 Now this is a premiere! 10:40 Elizabeth is the coolest 40:18 John/Michael 54:00 John’s infamous one liners 55:33 Ronon/Rodney our new favourite slash pairing?? 1:04:00 The Boys as a trio 1:07:00 John’s flashback 1:10:40 Zelenka 1:12:06 Goodbye orion 1:15:36 Wait… this is a 3 part finale? 1:18:16 RIP wraith queen 1:20:58 Rodney uses limewire for nefarious purposes 1:22:00 Bechdel test 1:22:13 Behind the scenes 1:28:48 Fic rec corner 1:33:13 Ratings and goodbyes! FIC REC CORNER: Lorne: Season Three by Domenika Marzione Three Hundred and Sixty-Four by sardonicsmiley FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover American Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com, preacherboyd.tumblr.com

In this episode, the team (Tor, Sam and Ash) discuss the season 2 finale "Allies." Join us as we laugh over Hermiod's total unbotheredness, fangirl over Radek, talk about confirmed monsterfucker John Sheppard, and much more. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 welcome to the jumping puddles podcast! 01:53 how do we feel about this finale? spoiler alert: not too thrilled 07:31 Teylabeth crumb! 08:46 oh hey the Athosians still exist! 10:34 so this plan... at least they are being idiots about it as a team 12:19 ronon's on-boardness with the plan 17:13 teyla's (missing) involvement in the decisions of this ep 26:23we have issues with carson's involvement in all this 29:47 the team is really not shining this episode, including carson42:34 we heart zelenka! 46:42 wraith talk! 54:28 Elizabeth's and John's brief views on the situation 01:01:59 Rodney & Hermiod: sass level 3000 01:09:17 we are becoming ronon/rodney shippers <3 01:11:30 Ronon/Elizabeth crumbs! 01:12:43 Teyla and Michael 01:14:12 what if the daedalus was destroyed at the end of the episode 01:21:32 CGI appreciation <3 01:22:43 the team's in time out now 01:26:54 Bechdel test & behind the scenes 01:32:50 fic rec corner & polls* 01:37:01 Ratings and good byes! *the poll was: How do you feel about Michael? FIC REC CORNER: Kept By Ourselves In Silence And Apart by The SPike (thespie21) https://archiveofourown.org/works/20418089 FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover American Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com, preacherboyd.tumblr.com

In this episode, the team (Ash, Sam and Tor) discuss 2x19, Inferno. Join us as we praise the cast's chemistry, debate the Daedalus as a Deus Ex Machina, and make fun of the Ancient's architectural choices. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Welcome! 1:30 Is it a strange penultimate episode? 8:30 Elizabeth 22:35 Teyla & Ronon 35:20 John & Rodney 57:18 Why are the Ancients like this? 1:06:37 Does this episode qualify as Daedalus Ex Machina 1:13:22 Hermiod cameo! 1:14:42 Chuck & Zelenka 1:19:30 Bechdel Test 1:20:00 Behind the Scenes 1:27:00 Fic Rec Corner 1:31:38 Ratings and Goodbyes FIC REC CORNER: The Miracle Worker by Hth https://archiveofourown.org/works/469069 The Pure Sec of It by chellefic https://archiveofourown.org/works/325236 FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover American Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com, preacherboyd.tumblr.com

In this episode the team (Sam, Tor and Ash) discuss 2x18 "Michael." Join us as we giggle over random moments, debate the team's questionable morals, and analyze the strange (but compelling) dynamic between teyla and michael! TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 welcome! 1:46 the team are WAR CRIMINALS (why though) 5:28 we debate some good ol’ morals 18:25 the psychological torture of michael 22:02 atlantis season six novels discussion!
24:09 rodney Thoughts 29:02 different perspectives oooo 35:38 carson’s part in this mess 38:37 what was the plan guys (+ very long john debate) 49:48 why was ronon even here lol 50:59 teyla & michael’s relationship mwuahah 1:04:47 HOW IS THE TEAM SO BAD AT THIS (aka michael’s villain origin story) 1:11:17 silly funny details to lighten the mood lol 1:20:07 bechdal test, behind the scenes, random rant about stargate origins, fan fiction rec, and goodbyes! FIC REC CORNER: The Language of Hard Nouns by Siria https://archiveofourown.org/works/8533 People Are People (Except When They're Wraith) by eleveninches https://archiveofourown.org/works/26307 FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover American Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com

In this episode the team (Ash, Sam & Tor) discuss 2x17, "Coup D'Etat." Tune in as we talk about this episode's (suprisingly!) well balanced A and B plots, Ronon's comedic timing, and lament the Zelenka backstory we were supposed to get in this episode and then never got. Ever. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction 05:00 Overall Impressions 04:18 Elizabeth Appreciation Hour 14:10 The team is ZPM-whipped 20:18 Rodney is the team's security blanket ("why is he going on combat missions???" "'cause we LOVE him.") 22:20 Teyla and Ronon B plot 29:50 Lorne! 41:11 Rank John's nemeses 01:19:28 Bechdel test 01:20:35 Behind the scenes 01:27:55 Fic Recs 01:29:25 Grace Under Pressure Poll 01:31:15 Episode Rating FIC REC CORNER: Five Devices They Really Shouldn't Have Initialized by Domenika Marzione FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover American Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com

In this episode the team (Sam, Tor and Ash) discuss 2x16 "The Long Goodbye." Tune in as we talk about John being allergic to feelings, Torri's award deserving acting, and the many different ways this episode could have been made (better). TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Hello and welcome 01:47 everyone's initial thoughts on the episode 03:51 we love the cold opening and discuss TV in the stargate universe (earth is just weird) 08:07 we never got the whole team going to Earth :( so we make up a quick thing ourselves to compensate 10:30 Caldwell is back! with continuity! 16:22 the imprinting scenes and John's allergicness to feelings 23:17 the John/Elizabeth dynamic that this episode creates 28:56 what exactly is Phoebus' and Thalan's deal? and is this episode too serious? The what ifs of it all 36:59 Rodney shooting at John: funny or not? we have mixed feelings 42:11 Torri's acting in this ep is everything, actually. Sad that it wasn't as Elizabeth, tho. 54:50 why do the men (in particular john) get all the emotional impactful scenes? and why are they setting up this weird love triangle (love corner?) between elizabeth-john-teyla? 01:01:43 When was the last time Teyla and Elizabeth interacted? Spoiler alert: it's been a while 01:03:15 how we would have incorporated John's and Elizabeth's perspective into the episode 01:10:53 we're not happy with Caldwell is treating everyone here 01:15:40 we're team rodney but also could rodney handle command of Atlantis & all the ways SGA could have handled command of Atlantis if Elizabeth had to go the way she did 01:29:12 Teylabeth crumbs! 01:33:09 let's talk about the continuously terrible treatment of Teyla's character (and women in general) 01:52:12 Hey Lorne! Hey Carson! 01:54:28 Poor Ronon :( he's way too trusting 01:56:22 Bechdel Test and Behind the scenes 02:06:30 Fic corner! 02:12:01 Ratings and good byes! FIC REC CORNER Roadside Attractions by auburn: https://archiveofourown.org/works/71583 844,739 Ways to Eat a Hamburger by Minervacat: http://minervacat.stormwerks.net/gates/sga/hamburger.html The Difference Engine by copperbadge: https://archiveofourown.org/works/568453/chapters/1017585 SHOW NOTES Miller's Crossing Deleted Scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETU2OF0aGg SGU Cast interview (the part Sam talked about is in Part 3): https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL40mFr6JB3qZnOmXsJtkr1Jn4wG7-_CvU&feature=shared FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com

In this episode the team (Ash, Sam, and Tor) discuss 2x15 "The Tower." Join us as we lose our minds trying to make sense of the strange character decisions, our dislike of the set design, and the shocking lack of lore! TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 introduction! 1:47 how do we feel about this episode? (spoiler alert we hate it) 5:22 the shows principles are on full display here (ew) 12:24 mischaracterization? Bad writing? Both! 24:30 so john sucks (but at least he’s pretty <3) 33:07 nice directing! the set design on the other hand … 37:13 s2 is definitely the weakest  43:44 more ranting about the terrible story (sorry) 49:04 tavis was fun though! 52:28 elizabeth? where are you ?? 55:02 some little things we liked 59:40 why we feel so disconnected from carson 1:08:26 bechdal test, behind the scenes, fic rec corner, ratings, and goodbyes! FIC REC CORNER: Hamlet Never Saw This Coming by Domenika Marzione (domarzione) https://archiveofourown.org/works/372724 FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com

In this episode the team (Ash, Sam, and Tor) discuss 2x14 &quot;Grace Under Pressure.&quot; Join us as we lament early 00s misogyny, gush over Hewlett and miss Teyla and Ronon. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction 01:10 Overall Impressions 04:01 Early 00s misogyny 17:25 The parts of Rodney hallucination!Sam represented 21:40 Rodney and Zelenka BFFs 35:00 Elizabeth and Sheppard: insane cop, insaner cop? 46:00 Sheppard&#39;s &quot;secret&quot; nerdiness 52:20 People sacrificing themselves for Rodney and how that effects him 01:04:36 Gushing over David Hewlett 01:07:29 Gushing over Rodney&#39;s whale 01:15:39 Atlantis is a polyglot city! 01:19:38 Bechdel test 01:20:30 Behind the scenes 01:27:41 Fic Recs 01:31:15 Epiphany Poll 01:31:54 Episode Rating FIC REC CORNER: Very, Very Improbable by laceymcbain https://archiveofourown.org/works/176406 Light Through Water by goldleaf1066 https://archiveofourown.org/works/33090982 We have lingered by trinityofone https://archiveofourown.org/works/33891055 A rational universe by xparrot https://archiveofourown.org/works/214456 FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover American Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com

In this episode the team (Sam, Tor and Ash) talk about "Critical Mass." Join us as we talk about how Kavanagh is the perfect internal antagonist, discuss Goa'uld in Atlantis, and praise Teyla's story (even if it is only for one episode). TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction 02:10 Ash's Atlantis School AU 05:06 somehow we ended up talking about SGU 08:21 Back to the Atlantis School AU 09:30 We love the tie ins into the established world building and of course: McShep 11:40 ok, who invited the Goa'uld? aka: our big Goa'uld discussion 28:07 The moral of the story (?) 36:34 Kavanagh is the perfect incel and he is wrong for blaming Elizabeth for his misery 42:45 Elizabeth is not a bad leader part 34798 46:12 What did Kavanagh's send in his encrypted messages?? 50:23 We are Novak and Hermiod stans! And we love Dr. Lee. Just the cast of this ep 54:03 We don't have a lot of feelings about Cadman *shrug* 01:01:06 Where is our Atlantis talent show/musical episode? 01:03:29 Teyla?? gets a story?? and they remember the Athosians?? 01:18:11 Quick little Elizabeth praise 01:19:18 Carson and Ronon were... there 01:22:15 Bechdel test, behind the scenes and fic corner! 01:32:26 Ratings and ending comments! FIC REC CORNER: "electric" by dedkake: https://archiveofourown.org/works/44468857 "Judas Doesn't Answer" by auburn: https://archiveofourown.org/works/5660182 FIND US ON: Twitter: @jumpingpudpod Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast or send us an e-mail at [email protected] Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com, instagram.com/stargatelover American Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor: @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com

This week, the team (Ash, Sam, and Tor) discuss "Epiphany". Join us in this john centric episode as we psychoanalyze our favorite flyboy, debate the structure of this season, and fawn over all of the (rare) team emotional moments! TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 introduction! 01:21 do we even like this episode lol 3:26 and the john sheppard therapy session begins! 20:33 the s2 structure is ... (a rant) 29:42 the ending is kinda weird right? 35:50 the chosen one gimmick  41:56 john sheppard or jesus christ  46:00 everything & anything about the ancients  54:46 we finally talk about other characters besides john ahah 59:37 shoutout to the rodney (and mcshep) moments! 1:06:23 cadman mention helloooo 1:07:17 carson praise omg 1:08:15 that iconic team shot :’) 1:08:41 oh do we have elizabeth Thoughts 1:11:21 new john sheppard lore fropped 1:12:18 ronon never stop taking out ur sword <3 1:12:46 we are all john sheppard beard lovers 1:13:51 behind the scenes, fic rec corner, and our goodbyes! FIC REC CORNER Inukshuk by murron: https://archiveofourown.org/works/28113/chapters/36956 Visiting hours https://web.archive.org/web/20090324024653/http://www.improvidence.net/visiting_hours.html Games of Chance by xparrot: https://archiveofourown.org/works/212798 FIND US ON:  Twitter: @jumpingpudpod  Tumblr: jumpingpuddlespodcast.tumblr.com  Instagram: instagram.com/jumpingpuddlespodcast  or send us an e-mail at [email protected]  Personal socials: Ash: stargatelov3r.tumblr.com,  instagram.com/stargatelover Sam: @TAEGlLUV, instagram.com/taeglluv Tor:  @mckaysrodney, rodneymckays.tumblr.com