What Kind of Person Does THIS? | Profiling Evil’s Mike King Analyzes the Nancy Guthrie Case

Today began with measurements, missed vehicle searches, and questions about why key evidence only appeared after private investigator tips — but everything shifted when the witness the jury has been waiting for finally took the stand. In this episode, we break down continued cross-examination of crime scene tech Chelsea Gipson, including what wasn’t searched, what wasn’t tested, and why investigators returned to the home nearly ten times. Then we dive into the explosive testimony of Carmen Lauber — the woman the state says sourced the fentanyl. From immunity deals and deleted messages to alleged cash drops, Maverik meet-ups, and the “Michael Jackson stuff,” the jury heard detailed claims tying Kouri to multiple pill purchases. But the defense came hard on credibility — highlighting shifting memories, prior inconsistent statements, incentives to cooperate, and whether Carmen’s story evolved under pressure. We also address the unexpected juror sketching incident that led to someone being removed from the courtroom. Day four was messy, intense, and credibility-driven — and cross-examination isn’t over yet. Sponsors: Oneskin: Get 15% off OneSkin with code hidden at https://oneskin.co #ad Beam Dream:  Get the sleep you deserve with up to 35% off Dream. Just click https://shopbeam.com/hiddentruecrime and use code TRUECRIME at checkout. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day three of the Kouri Richins trial was unexpectedly short — but not before one stray comment triggered an immediate sidebar and a direct instruction to the jury to “put it out of their minds.” In this episode, we break down the moment a reference to “jail calls” prompted the defense to move to strike it, why the judge stepped in, and whether it could realistically impact the trial. We also unpack the cross-examination of crime scene tech Chelsea Gipson, including what was never photographed, what was never tested — most notably the hydrocodone bottle — and why that detail could become a key defense talking point. Even on a short day, the strategic moves inside that courtroom mattered. Sponsors: Gusto: Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/HIDDEN and get three months free when you run your first payroll. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day two of the Kouri Richins trial brought sharp challenges from the defense as they zeroed in on timeline discrepancies, crime scene procedure, and what law enforcement did—and didn’t—document that morning. We break down tense cross-examinations of first responders, powerful EMT testimony about Eric’s unusual body position, and the critical autopsy findings confirming a toxic level of fentanyl—while the manner of death remains officially undetermined. We also unpack the nuanced toxicology details, including alcohol in gastric contents and untouched naltrexone, and why those points could matter strategically for the jury. If you want the clearest, most thorough breakdown of what happened in court today, we’ve got you covered. Sponsors: Gusto: Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/HIDDEN and get three months free when you run your first payroll. Nurture Life: For 55% off your order, head to https://NurtureLife.com and use code HIDDEN55. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After nearly four years of twists, motions, and relentless speculation, the trial of Kouri Richins is finally underway—and day one did not disappoint. In this episode, we break down the explosive opening statements from both sides in the death of Eric Richins, who was found with five times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system inside the couple’s Utah home. Prosecutors allege a calculated murder fueled by financial collapse, a secret boyfriend, life insurance policies, and a “fresh start” motive—laying out damning text messages, deleted phone data, alleged pill purchases, and claims of a staged 911 call. The defense counters with a dramatically different narrative: a grieving widow, a flawed investigation, mishandled evidence, family interference, and a manner of death still officially listed as undetermined. From emotional testimony by Eric’s father and sister to tense cross-examinations about trusts, life insurance, divorce plans, and who really controlled the narrative from day one, we walk you through every key moment of testimony, the body cam footage, and the battle over what happened between 9:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m. This is where the state must prove its case—and where reasonable doubt takes center stage. Sponsor: Rula: Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts at Rula for just $15 per session with insurance at https://www.rula.com/HIDDEN #rulapod About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As the trial of Kouri Richins approaches, we’re breaking down everything you need to know before opening statements begin. In this deep dive, we walk through the timeline of Eric Richins’ death, the alleged fentanyl poisoning, financial motives, the children’s book written after his passing, key evidence prosecutors say they have, and what the defense is expected to argue. From text messages and insurance policies to the forensic findings that led to charges, this episode lays out the full case so you’re fully prepared for trial coverage. If you’ve been following the Kouri Richins case—or are just getting caught up—this is your complete, start-to-finish breakdown before court begins. Sponsors: Rula: Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts at Rula for just $15 per session with insurance at https://www.rula.com/HIDDEN #rulapod Miracle Brand: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made—go to trymiracle.com/HIDDEN and use code HIDDEN to claim your free 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

An 11-year-old cheerleader travels to Las Vegas for what should have been a weekend of bright lights, big routines, and hard-earned dreams — and never makes it to the competition floor. Hours after being reported missing, Addi Smith and her mother, Tawnia McGeehan, are found dead inside their hotel room. But how did a years-long custody battle, allegations of parental conflict, recent family loss, mounting pressure inside the cheer world, and whispers of mental health struggles converge into something so unthinkable? In this episode, we carefully walk through the confirmed timeline, the court history, the warning signs — and the difficult psychological questions that linger. Because behind the headlines is a young athlete who showed up to compete… and a story that forces us to ask: how did we get here? Sponsor: Miracle Brand: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made—go to trymiracle.com/HIDDEN and use code HIDDEN to claim your free 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

He watched it happen live. On a weekday afternoon in suburban Illinois, Adam Stewart opened his security app and saw a man rush into his garage behind his wife just before the door shut. Minutes later, 41-year-old Ashley Stewart was found unresponsive inside their Oswego home. In this episode, we break down the January 27, 2026 attack — the surveillance footage, 911 call, alleged GPS tracking device, prior police responses, and the divorce and bankruptcy proceedings that were unfolding just days before. Sponsor: Rula- Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts at Rula for just $15 per session with insurance at https://www.rula.com/HIDDEN #rulapod About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mike King is here to discuss the ongoing case of Nancy Guthrie. Mike's new podcast Gardens of Evil: Inside the Zion Society Cult, can be found on Apple, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts. Sponsors: Mint Mobile: Switch to Mint Mobile and get unlimited premium wireless for just $15/month for a limited time at mintmobile.com/HIDDEN. Avocado Green Mattress: Go to https://AvocadoGreenMattress.com/HIDDEN to check out their mattress and bedding sale. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On Day 10 of Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance, the case takes a chilling turn. The FBI has now officially identified an unnamed suspect after recovering haunting doorbell footage showing a masked, armed individual tampering with Nancy’s camera in the early morning hours before she vanished. We break down the newly released images, the detainment and release of a man questioned overnight, shocking new bitcoin activity tied to the original ransom wallet, and a separate message demanding one bitcoin in exchange for a name. Is someone trying to cash in on a family’s desperation—or is this a critical clue? With no proof of life, renewed searches, and investigators working around the clock, we walk you through every confirmed development, every unanswered question, and what this escalating investigation could mean next. Sponsors: Avocado Green Mattress: Go to https://AvocadoGreenMattress.com/HIDDEN to check out their mattress and bedding sale. Mint Mobile: Switch to Mint Mobile and get unlimited premium wireless for just $15/month for a limited time at mintmobile.com/HIDDEN About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Newly released autopsy and coroner reports in the murders of Spencer and Monique Tepe reveal critical forensic details that dramatically shift how this crime is understood. In this episode, we carefully break down what the medical evidence actually shows — including what the wounds, trajectories, and toxicology reports confirm about intent, awareness, and the level of violence involved. We also discuss the recent Hulu special The Perfect Couple: Inside the Ohio Murders and what it covered — and what it left out. Sponsor: Switch to Mint Mobile and get unlimited premium wireless for just $15/month for a limited time at mintmobile.com/HIDDEN. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices