Find your Position-Market Fit: The Role of Brand and Memorable Experiences | Enzo Avigo (CEO at June, ex-Intercom)
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In this episode, I chat with Enzo Avigo, CEO of June.so. We delve into the journey of product management and the shift from being a Product Manager at companies like Zalando and Intercom to becoming a Startup founder. Enzo shares his insights on the key differences between product management in large companies and startups, and how that experience shaped his approach to building June.so, a platform for B2B SaaS companies that provides customer analytics for product-focused teams. We discuss positioning, product-market fit, and how to align multiple aspects like brand, marketing, and product into what Enzo calls "Position Market Fit."—
By the end of this episode, you’ll gain insights on:- The transition from PM to Founder
- The role of design and user experience in creating a strong product position
- How to build a memorable product experience that stands out
- Practical examples of positioning, including how Enzo applies it at June.so
- Lessons learned on when to outsource brand work and when to handle it in-house
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Key highlights from this episode 👇
1. From PM to Founder: Enzo discusses the dream many Product Managers have of founding their own company and why it's so challenging to take the leap.
2. Key Differences Between Large Companies & Startups: Enzo dives into why traditional product management techniques don't always translate into startup success.
3. Position Market Fit: We discuss the metaphor of aligning multiple "planets" (product, brand, marketing, pricing, etc.) to achieve Position Market Fit, a crucial aspect for startups today.
4. Importance of Memorable Experiences: Learn how creating a distinct and memorable product experience helps cement your product in users’ minds.
5. In-House vs. Agency: Enzo shares the pros and cons of working with an agency for brand and product design versus keeping it in-house, with real-life examples from June.so.
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* June Website: https://june.so
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What we’ve covered in this episode:
[00:00] Introduction
[00:39] Enzo Avigo’s journey from Product Manager to Founder
[02:08] Differences between product management in large companies vs. startups
[06:52] What is Position Market Fit?
[13:20] How user experience and design drive a product’s position
[17:36] The role of memorable product experiences
[22:32] In-house vs. Agency branding — when to choose which
[30:57] Aligning multiple elements (product, brand, marketing) to achieve Position Market Fit
[42:24] Lightning Round: Memorable experiences, brands, and recommendations
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📕 Resources Referenced
* Position Market Fit article on Aakash Gupta Newsletter:
* June.so — Enzo’s B2B SaaS company, Customer analytics for product-focused teams: https://june.so
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