Episode 439: Burn It Down—Marocco’s Exit and the Future of U.S. Foreign Aid

Today, Les, Martha, and Jess unpack the surprise departure of Pete Marocco, Director of the Office of Foreign Assistance, the architect behind the Trump administration’s dismantling of U.S. foreign assistance. In less than three months, USAID has been effectively gutted, with over 6,000 programs under review and thousands of jobs in the U.S. and abroad at risk. Marocco’s approach—mirroring Elon Musk’s soon-ending stint at DOGE—has thrown American aid policy into turmoil just as China deepens its influence in key developing regions and Congress begins to push back on the administration’s agenda.Was Marocco’s removal part of a broader shift—or just the end of a mission to dismantle American aid? Who’s actually calling the shots now, and could this signal a shift to a more measured approach to foreign assistance? And as U.S. credibility erodes abroad, will rivals like China turn this moment of disarray into a permanent strategic advantage?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out these sources which helped shape our Fellows’ conversation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/13/pete-marocco-usaid/https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-appointed-official-who-oversaw-dismantling-of-usaid-leaves-state-department/ar-AA1CRgrp?ocid=BingNewsVerphttps://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-official-who-oversaw-closure-of-usaid-has-left-state-department-5760da3dFollow our experts on Twitter: @NotTVJessJones@lestermunson@marthamillerdcLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/C_aBds84CoI  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Jess, Morgan, Amy, and Algene dive into the shifting dynamics of European security as the Trump administration reportedly considers withdrawing up to 10,000 U.S. troops from the continent, while the head of U.S. European Command and several members of Congress urge against a drawdown. At the same time, European allies are boosting their defense investments, Ukraine is accusing China of direct involvement in the conflict, and the broader transatlantic relationship faces a potential realignment.What would a U.S. troop withdrawal signal to Russia and China? Is Europe prepared to fill the gap if the U.S. steps back? Could a force reduction undermine ceasefire efforts in Ukraine—or is this an opportunity for Europe to redefine its role in regional security?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out these sources which helped shape our Fellows’ conversation: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-considering-proposal-cut-thousands-troops-europe-officials-sa-rcna199603https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/08/troops-europe-withdraw-cavoli-republicans-00007176https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-force-coalition-britain-france-nato-4c87525361eb3cf1c860075d4519f6d8https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/beijing-rejects-ukraines-claim-significant-numbers-chinese-troops-120627611https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/04/10/trump-defense-europe-eu-arms-sales-rearm-trade-war/?tpcc=recirc_latest062921Follow our experts on Twitter: @NotTVJessJones@amykmitchell@morganlroach@AlgeneSajeryLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/6NnsxR0jd64 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Martha, Les, Bishop, and Amy discuss the Democratic Republic of the Congo’s plea for a minerals-for-security deal with the United States, as the country faces mounting violence and instability. With $24 trillion worth of natural resources—including critical cobalt reserves—on the line, Rwandan-backed rebel groups have seized key mining hubs in eastern Congo, killing thousands, displacing millions, and igniting regional tensions.What’s in it for Washington, and can the Trump administration craft a consistent, credible Africa strategy? As Rwanda and Uganda continue to exploit the chaos and U.S. tariffs hamper global engagement, will this become another case where talk outpaces action? And with American companies reluctant to invest in conflict zones, is the DRC poised to become another lost front in the race for critical minerals?Check out these sources which helped shape our Fellows’ conversation: https://www.wsj.com/world/africa/while-war-rages-congos-neighbors-smuggle-out-its-gold-and-mineral-wealth-8582b882?mod=hp_lead_pos8https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/17/amid-conflict-why-does-the-drc-want-a-minerals-deal-with-trump https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34140qkw0o Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Follow our experts on Twitter: @amymitchell@bishop@lestermunson@marthamillerdcLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/ixUbjMEunxc Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Les, Martha, and Jess unpack the growing global fallout from President Trump’s expanding tariff agenda. With a minimum 10% tariff imposed on all imports – and significantly higher rates hitting key partners like Vietnam and the European Union – the administration’s “America First” approach is straining alliances and undercutting strategic objectives.Will Congress push back before economic strain turns into political blowback? Can national security priorities withstand the ripple effects of a disrupted global supply chain? And as China retaliates and allies like Japan, South Korea, and Israel respond, is Trump’s trade strategy isolating America at a time when unity is essential?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Follow our experts on Twitter: @NotTVJessJones @lestermunson@marthamillerdcLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/Nme-ogi97zM Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Morgan, Les, Amy, and Jess unpack the dramatic firings at the National Security Council, following far-right influencer Laura Loomer’s unexpected meeting with President Trump. In just 24 hours, two rounds of senior NSC officials—including the Commander and Deputy of U.S. Cyber Command—were dismissed, with a third round reportedly imminent. What triggered the purge? A mix of internal power struggles, loyalty tests, and fallout from last week’s Signal Gate scandal.Is the Trump administration sidelining expertise in favor of ideological alignment? With trust in National Security Advisor Mike Waltz shaken and figures like Pete Hegseth gaining influence, is a broader battle underway between traditional GOP Reaganites and those who are more skeptical of U.S. alliances. And who stands to benefit from this internal unraveling at the heart of U.S. foreign policy?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out the sources that helped shape our Fellows’ discussion: https://jinsa.org/jinsa_report/path-to-snapback-april-2025/ https://www.axios.com/2025/04/02/trump-iran-talks-bomb-threats https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/03/31/there-will-be-a-bombing-trump-threatens-to-attack-iran-if-no-nuclear-deal-reached/ Follow our experts on Twitter: @NotTVJessJones @morganlroach@amykmitchell@lestermunsonLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/n8jDdjPvV64 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Jess, Martha, Morgan, and Amy break down President Trump’s long-awaited “Liberation Day” and the sweeping tariffs that come with it. While the exact details are still emerging, proposals range from a universal 20% tariff on imports to targeted reciprocal tariffs designed to match the duties other nations impose on U.S. goods. The announcement has already triggered domestic backlash and international warnings of retaliation, setting the stage for a potential economic showdown.Will these tariffs revive U.S. manufacturing or simply drive up costs for American consumers? How will Congress respond if businesses and voters push back? And what does President Trump’s “Mar-a-Lago Accord” signal about the future of U.S. economic policy?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out the sources that helped shape our Fellows’ discussion: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/31/senate-vote-canada-tariffs-susan-collins-00262363 https://www.reuters.com/world/china-japan-south-korea-will-jointly-respond-us-tariffs-chinese-state-media-says-2025-03-31/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/01/eu-trump-tariffs-retaliation-big-tech/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/01/us/politics/trump-tariffs-nato-allies.htmlhttps://www.cnn.com/2025/03/30/business/china-reciprocal-tariffs-us-trade-war-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html Follow our experts on Twitter: @marthamillerdc@NotTVJessJones @morganlroach@amykmitchellLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/QvyChZ3iEiY  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Martha, Morgan, Amy, and Jess unpack rising tensions in the Arctic following Vice President JD Vance’s visit to Greenland and the fallout in Denmark, among the U.S.’s most reliable allies. This visit was a step too far for many in Denmark: Danish public opinion of the U.S. has plummeted, with over 40% now viewing the U.S. as a threat. Danish officials are now publicly questioning American intentions. As Russia reactivates Arctic bases and China eyes Greenland’s resources, why is the U.S. alienating key allies instead of building strategic cooperation? What does the Trump administration actually want from the Danes, and how does this approach help U.S. national security strategy?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out the sources that helped shape our Fellows’ discussion: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6370788279112 https://www.npr.org/2025/03/30/nx-s1-5344942/trump-military-force-not-off-the-table-for-greenland#:~:text=Since%201945%2C%20the%20American%20military,with%20some%20200%20soldiers%20today https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/03/28/greenland-us-bases-history-vance/ https://www.americansecurityproject.org/russian-arctic-military-bases/ https://thedefensepost.com/2023/12/06/russia-arctic-military-presence/ Follow our experts on Twitter: @marthamillerdc@NotTVJessJones @morganlroach@amykmitchellLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/qtOcQ_eMLa0  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Les, Morgan, Martha, and Jess break down the sudden withdrawal of Congresswoman Elise Stefanik’s nomination to be U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. A key Trump loyalist and early cabinet pick, Stefanik had already sat through confirmation hearings and staffed up at the UN—but with a razor-thin Republican House majority at risk, the administration pulled the plug.What does this move signal about internal GOP priorities and Trump’s personnel strategy? How will the lack of a confirmed U.S. ambassador impact America’s ability to lead at the UN—especially as China and Russia assert more influence? And with Stefanik’s political future uncertain, what’s next for one of Trump’s most visible allies?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out the sources that helped shape our Fellows’ discussion: https://apnews.com/article/elise-stefanik-united-nations-ambassador-trump-96ef705d7498f080f9f399416b647f99https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/politics/stefanik-ambassador-nomination-white-house?cid=ios_app https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/03/27/elise-stefanik-united-nations-trump/ Follow our experts on Twitter: @lestermunson@marthamillerdc@NotTVJessJones @morganlroachLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/-CgV43Ybcpc Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Les, Jeffrey, and Jess unpack the fallout from the Atlantic's bombshell report on leaked Signal messages between top national security officials. The controversy erupted when Atlantic editor Jeffrey Goldberg was mistakenly added to the "Houthi PC small group" chat by National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, exposing sensitive national security discussions taking place over unsecured personal devices—including while one official was in Russia. The revelations raise serious concerns about negligence, security breaches, and the erosion of institutional discipline.What does this leak reveal about decision-making at the highest levels? Will U.S. allies lose trust in Washington’s ability to protect intelligence? And with no sign of accountability or investigation, does this signal a larger breakdown in how national security is handled?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out the sources that helped shape our Fellows’ discussion: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/?gift=0MX4QOJ8hj9Td0f7h7prWQ6KNbodYHBJ3UBWR7do19A&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-hegseth-sued-over-signal-text-debacle_n_67e2f9b5e4b074f0c26efadc?nurhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-envoy-steve-witkoff-signal-text-group-chat-russia-putin/# Follow our experts on Twitter: @lestermunson@NotTVJessJones Like what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/6xqrFup-Z7Q  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, Jess, Martha, Les, and Morgan unpack the arrest of Istanbul’s mayor Ekrem Imamoglu —Turkey’s leading opposition figure and the likely challenger to President Erdoğan in 2028. His arrest sparked mass protests across the country and violent clashes, raising alarms over Turkey’s seemingly accelerating democratic backslide.With Turkey’s geopolitical importance, including its strategic role in NATO —will democratic erosion be overlooked for political convenience? Or as Erdoğan tightens his grip, will the Trump Administration speak out for democracy?Check out the answers to these questions and more in this episode of Fault Lines.Check out the sources that helped shape our Fellows’ discussion: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/23/world/middleeast/turkey-ekrem-imamoglu-istanbul.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleSharehttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/22/world/middleeast/turkey-erdogan-democracy-istanbul-mayor-detention.htmlhttps://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/21/middleeast/turkey-protests-erdogan-mayor-intl-latam/index.htmlFollow our experts on Twitter: @lestermunson@marthamillerdc@NotTVJessJones @morganlroachLike what we're doing here?  Be sure to rate, review, and subscribe.  And don't forget to follow @masonnatsec on Twitter!We are also on YouTube, and watch today's episode here: https://youtu.be/Gw4pYhWeBp8  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.