Introducing “The Black Thread”

This episode features a conversation with science communicator and illustrator, Qiyun Woo. It was recorded in June 2026.Based in Singapore, Qiyun’s work bridges science, art, and advocacy, bringing fresh perspectives on how to communicate climate change, particularly in Southeast Asia.Perhaps best known for her work with The Weird and Wild, Qiyun’s comics, content, and design resources help educate and empower audiences on all things climate. Qiyun was named one of this year’s National Geographic’s 33, has been recognised by Forbes 30 Under 30 Asia, and was included in the BBC's list of the 100 Most Inspiring and Influential Women of 2023.Amongst other things, Qiyun and I discussed how she’s made simplified science content go viral, the special sauce that fictional messengers can bring to the table when it comes to connecting with audiences, and how cuteness can play a role in bringing climate communication to the masses. Additional linksCheck out The Weird and Wild on InstagramVisit Qiyun’s websiteSee the Sumatra Squall postHere’s the Frog with sweaty armpits illustration

This episode features a conversation with environmental psychologist, Sophia Dasch. It was recorded in February 2026.Sophia works at the intersection of psychology, policy, and climate action. She’s an expert on the psychology of social movements, and of climate action more broadly.I discovered Sophia through her co-authored book “The Psychology of Collective Climate Action” which she describes as a passion project of the non-profit organization, Wandelwerk.The members of Wandelwerk – which roughly translates as "change collective" – are psychologists by training, grounded in scientific research, and at the same time they’re active participants in the climate movement. Their collective mission is to bridge these worlds by translating psychological insights into practical tools for climate action.They do this through workshops, educational programs, public engagement, and their own research – as well as publications like the book “The Psychology of Collective Climate Action,” which is freely available as an open-access resource. And, for me, is one of the most important reads of recent years. Alongside Wandelwerk, Sophia works as a policy consultant at the research institute ConPolicy, where she brings her expertise to topics such as Action for Climate Empowerment (or ACE), risk communication, and digitalization.Amongst other things, Sophia and I discussed the psychology of movement building, the three non-negotiables for collective climate action, and the many ways communicators can contribute to putting them in place. This one instantly slides into my top 10 biggest impact episodes. So, get your notepads ready!Additional linksGet the book The Psychology of Collective Climate ActionVisit the Wandelwerk website

This episode features a conversation with award-winning speechwriter and author, Rune Kier Nielsen. It was recorded in June 2025.Rune has worked across the public and private sectors, including within the Danish Government as well as leading Danish technology companies, and as Public Advocacy Lead on Climate Action at the UN Environment Programme, where he led campaigns such as ACT NOW: Speak Up, empowering youth and communities in developing countries to drive systemic change.A two-time international Cicero Speechwriting Award winner, Rune has lectured widely and authored several books on climate speechwriting. Drawing on his background in Social Anthropology, he champions human-centered climate communication, guiding others to speak effectively about the world they want to see.He currently works at VIA University College, Denmark’s largest and most international university college, where he develops engaging science communication strategies for the green transition.I discovered Rune through his most recent book, Speaking on Climate: A Guide to Speechwriting for a Better Future, which I would recommend to all climate communicators, since it offers foundational insights that are valuable not only for speechwriting, but climate communications of all kinds.Amongst other things, Rune and I discussed the mechanics of a powerful speech, where climate speeches have – and continue to – fall short, and the unique benefits this format offers for bringing people together and energising collective action.Additional linksVisit Rune’s websiteHis latest book Speaking on Climate: A Guide to Speechwriting for a Better FutureCheck out Rune’s video introduction to the bookRead the Kirkus review of the book here.Find Rune’s book, Speaking on Climate, getting lots of love on We Don't Have Time

This episode features a conversation with award-winning investigative climate journalist, Amy Westervelt. It was recorded in June 2025.Amy has been on the climate beat for more than 20 years, reporting for a wide range of outlets including Inside Climate News, The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Nation, The Intercept, NPR, and many more. In the past 10 years, Amy has worked extensively in the audio realm, most notably with Drilled, a true crime podcast about climate denial.What was planned to be a single limited-run audio series was an absolute hit, and has now grown into an ongoing investigative reporting project digging into the various forces obstructing action on climate.Despite her successes in audio though, Amy continues to write regularly for a wide range of publications. In 2023 she was named one of Covering Climate Now’s Journalist of the Year and her work has previously received Murrow, ONA, SEJ, Rachel Carson, and Folio awards, as well as a Peabody nomination.Amongst other things, Amy and I discussed the structural influence the fossil fuel industry has carefully crafted over our information ecosystem; the magic that narrative injects into climate journalism; and the need for more of us to don our tin-foil hats a bit more often, because things are frequently way wackier than we’d maybe like to believe.Additional linksDrilled: https://drilled.media/Amy’s 5 petroganda narratives: https://drilled.media/news/petroganda-narrativesBen Franta’s paper on weaponising economics: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09644016.2021.1947636The Media Matters bubble graph: https://www.mediamatters.org/google/right-dominates-online-media-ecosystem-seeping-sports-comedy-and-other-supposedlyThe Black Thread: https://communicatingclimatechange.com/the-black-thread

The Black Thread is a new documentary podcast series unravelling Norway’s complex relationship with prosperity, identity, and responsibility in a warming world.Episodes will be dropping weekly over on Drilled Media.

This episode features a conversation with Diya Deb, executive director of Mindworks. It was recorded in April 2025.Growing up as an activist in India, Diya has in-depth experience of working in harsh political and social realities. With a variety of leadership roles under her belt from Amnesty and Greenpeace India, and a background in campaigning and program management too, she holds a deep belief in the need to decolonise knowledge and drive systemic change in Global Majority countries. At the helm of Mindworks, Diya works to apply cognitive and social science insights to support organisations and changemakers, particularly in Asia, Africa and Latin America, to campaign innovatively to address climate and other systemic issues.Amongst other things, Diya and I discussed the ways that mindsets in places like India and Indonesia demand new strategies and emphasis from climate communicators, the fresh ways that denial emerges in such contexts, and the desperate need for more listening in developing interventions and engagement that resonates.Additional links: Visit the Mindworks websiteDig in to the Anger & Agency MonitorCheck out the Time to Talk insights and toolkit

This episode features a conversation with Rupert Read, co-director of The Climate Majority Project. It was recorded in March 2025.Rupert is an Emeritus Professor of Philosophy at the University of East Anglia, a former spokesperson for Extinction Rebellion, and at the Climate Majority Project, works to build a mass, moderate climate movement by supporting community-led adaptation, democratic participation, and practical climate action across the UK. He’s the author of several influential books on climate and society, and is a frequent commentator on the likes of the BBC, Al Jazeera, and other major platforms.His latest book, Transformative Adaptation: Another world is still just possible, argues that we are now beyond the safe climate threshold and must bring adaptation to the cenre of our response — not as retreat, but as an opportunity for deep change. Transformative Adaptation offers a framework for reimagining how we live, work, and govern in the face of climate impacts. It champions localism, community resilience, and working with nature, while challenging dominant systems that are no longer fit for purpose.Amongst other things, Rupert and I discussed how communicators can help audiences meet the realities of our current predicament with active hope and a sense of agency, which actions and interventions need to be taken and how we can support them, and what the concept of “thrutopia” offers for imagining what it all might look like.Additional links: Get Rupert’s book Transformative Adaptation: A new world is still just possibleCheck out Rupert’s website The Climate Majority Project websiteSome words from Rupert on ThrutopiaArticle with Caroline Lucas about climate populism

This episode features a conversation with Ingmar Rentzhog, founder and CEO of We Don’t Have Time, the world’s largest media platform dedicated to climate action. It was recorded in March 2025.Ingmar is a serial entrepreneur in finance and communication, as well as a climate changemaker who’s been recognized internationally for his impact. He’s a European Climate Pact Ambassador and a member of Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, and through his work at We Don't Have Time, he’s mobilising millions to hold businesses, leaders, and governments accountable and drive genuine progress. With a mission to democratize knowledge about climate solutions and mobilize global action toward a prosperous and fossil-free future, We Don’t Have Time boasts a community of more than 120,000 climate professionals and influencers spanning 180 countries, as well as partnerships with more than 450 companies, governments, and civil society organizations. We Don’t Have Time reaches 200 million people each month on social media!Amongst other things, Ingmar and I discussed the ways that technological infrastructures like media platforms and social networks can support grassroots action, the importance of both sticks and carrots in engaging companies, governments, and other actors on climate issues, and how understanding financial flows can help us propel our much needed societal transformation forward.Additional links: Check out We Don’t Have Time and join the community!Find out more about the Make Science Great Again campaign

This episode features a conversation with writer, editor and strategic communications consultant, Chinelo Onwualu. It was recorded in March 2025.Chinelo is co-founder of Omenana, a magazine dedicated to African speculative fiction, and is the former chief spokesperson for the African Speculative Fiction Society. She’s also one of the reviewers of entries for Grist’s Imagine 2200 climate fiction contest.Her writing has been featured in several anthologies and magazines, including Uncanny magazine, Strange Horizons, The Kalahari Review, and Brittle Paper.It has also earned her many merits including a nomination for the British Science Fiction Awards, as well as for the Nommo Awards for African Speculative Fiction, and also the Short Story Day Africa Award.With a background in journalism, Chinelo previously worked as a reporter and online editor in Nigeria and the United States, including as a senior editor for Cassava Republic Press, one of the leading independent publishers in all of Africa.In her consultancy work, Chinelo has spent more than a decade supporting multi-national non-profits across the world with their strategic communications, including WE Charity International, ActionAid Nigeria, The BBC World Trust, and the University of Sussex's Institute for Development Studies.Amongst other things, Chinelo and I discussed the importance of stories in shaping our societies, how fiction can help us make changes in our real lives, and what Western storytellers might learn from those whose cultures have already faced apocalyptic scenarios. Additional links: Visit Chinelo’s websiteGrist's Imagine 2200 climate fiction contestCheck out OmenanaPeruse Rosarium Publishing and Flame Tree PressExplore Roy Okupe’s comicsDiscover Nightmare magazine and Uncanny magazineRead more about Chinese author Cixin Liu

This episode features a conversation with film director, Joshua Oppenheimer. It was recorded in March 2025.Joshua gained notoriety through his documentaries The Act of Killing and The Look of Silence, which, amongst their many accolades, gained him Academy Award and BAFTA nominations. In fact, back in 2012, it was his extraordinarily beautiful and bizarre film, The Act of Killing, which follows former Indonesian death-squad leaders in reenacting their mass-killings through cinematic set pieces and lavish musical numbers, that put Joshua on my radar. The Guardian called it “The most compelling thing you’ll ever see.” I tend to agree. His latest film, entitled The End, hit cinemas in the UK and Germany last week.The End stars Tilda Swinton, Michael Shannon, and George MacKay, as a wealthy family living isolated lives in a luxurious bunker, two decades after an environmental catastrophe renders Earth's surface uninhabitable. But this isn’t your run-of-the-mill, seen-it-before disaster take, The End is a genre-bending tale that urges us to reconsider the illusions we hold about the fate of our planet and, perhaps crucially, our role in shaping that fate. Amongst other things, Joshua and I discussed The End, why we often find living in lies a more comforting situation than facing reality, and the need to challenge the silence and the self-deception that is all around us when it comes to climate.Additional links: The End is out now in Germany and the UK. Get tickets to cinemas near you here. Find out where to stream The End in your location by going here. Watch the trailer for The End.Get a sense of Joshua’s inspiration from The Umbrellas of Cherbourg.Check out the trailers for The Act of Killing and The Look of Silence.Here’s the panel discussion I mentioned, discussing silence around fossil fuels in Norway.Creatives for Climate is the largest and most diverse network of change-agents using creativity to drive climate action.Read George Lakoff’s book, Don’t Think of An Elephant.