EP #295 - God in the Chaos: William Paul Young on Redemption, Presence & the Beauty of Being Human - Audio

Is it possible to find peace and meaning in a world shaped by both chaos and order, certainty and mystery, suffering and joy? In this powerful conversation, Dr. Catherine Toon and guest Bill Thrasher dive deep into the sacred paradoxes woven throughout creation, scripture, and the human experience. From Newtonian laws to the mysteries of quantum physics, from the Tree of Life to the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they explore how divine tension points us to truth—and how every paradox finds its pivot and purpose in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. This episode explores: * The balance between predictability and divine mystery * How chaos and order coexist in God’s redemptive plan * Navigating the tension between control and surrender * Why true rest is found not in certainty, but in union with Christ * How the cross reframes suffering, mystery, and peace Perfect for those deconstructing rigid beliefs or reconstructing a vibrant, Spirit-filled worldview, this conversation invites you to embrace paradox as a portal into deeper intimacy with God. Contact Bill: Facebook: The Jesus Purpose Community: https://TheJesusPurpose.com Ready to Renew & Reignite Your Passion? * FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling * Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ ** To support the ministry with tax-deductible donations: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ ** Please like, share, and subscribe — a little thing that makes a big difference!! Thank you! * Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition is here:
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In this profound conversation, William Paul Young—author of The Shack—joins Dr. Catherine Toon to explore how God shows up in the very places we often try to escape: our pain, our confusion, and our chaos. Together, they unpack how transformation isn’t a lightning bolt from heaven, but a sacred, often spiral journey of revisiting wounds with God’s redeeming love. They explore the critical difference between grief and shame, the power of present-moment living, and how we’re invited to participate in—not control—God’s redemptive work in the world. This episode is a breath of fresh grace for anyone navigating deconstruction, burnout, trauma, or the ache of not knowing what's next. It’s a reminder that you’re not behind, not broken beyond repair, and never alone. Topics covered include: * God’s relentless presence in our darkest moments * Why transformation happens in spirals, not straight lines * Redeeming grief and silencing shame * Embracing your humanity as sacred * Letting go of grand callings and stepping into divine participation * The difference between knowing about God and knowing Him deeply Whether you're in the wilderness, at the edge of burnout, or rediscovering faith beyond formulas, this conversation will meet you right where you are—with healing, hope, and holy presence. For more information about Paul Young: https://wmpaulyoung.com/ Podcast: paulyoungpodcast.com * FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this vulnerable and refreshing conversation, Catherine Toon sits down with Pastor Channock Banet to unpack the heart behind his powerful new book, Enough Already. If you’ve ever wrestled with the pressures of performance, perfectionism, and religious expectations—especially within ministry—this episode is for you. Channock shares his journey as a pastor caught in the toxic cycle of doing for God instead of being with God. Through candid stories, deep spiritual insight, and life-giving humor, he unveils the grace of a Father who’s not impressed with your hustle—but captivated by your heart. This episode is a breath of fresh air for: * Leaders exhausted by the grind of ministry/work * People feeling stuck in shame, striving, self-doubt, and the lie of not being enough * Anyone hungry to give themselves permission and be empowered to discover how to operate out of your sonship/daughterhood, and rest in Christ You don’t have to prove anything. You already belong. You are enough. Contact Channock: Website: https://www.hillcity.tv/ Re-Initiative website: https://www.thepowerofre.com/ Email: [email protected] "Enough Already" available on Amazon Podcast: 2 Pastors And A Mic on Apple and Spotify Ready to Renew & Reignite Your Passion? FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this thought-provoking conversation, Catherine Toon hosts Dr. Matt Pandel (psychologist and theologian) and Paul Young (author of The Shack), as they dive into the powerful themes of Matt’s newest book "Fractured Witness." This work boldly recognizes the Church’s (Ekklēsia’s) fractured legacy—how faith has been used to justify harm, and how true redemption calls us back to the real Jesus and the reality of what the Church was always meant to be. You’ll hear deeply personal stories, theological reflections, and honest critiques of systems that distort the face of God. From the misuse of scripture to the weaponization of religion, we are invited to sit in the discomfort—and from that sacred space, rediscover a gospel of relentless love, healing, and reconciliation, that can and is occurring through the evolving beautiful healthy church, the way she was meant to be. ✨ If you’ve been wounded by the Church or are seeking to reconcile faith with truth, justice, and compassion and practical suggestions operate in community as God’s life-giving Church, this episode is for you. A behavioral psychologist and theologian, Dr. Matt Pandel is first and foremost a communicator. Ordained in the Anglican/Episcopal tradition, he remains fiercely ecumenical, believing the Church is best when she honors all of the traditions and expressions from which she is formed. In addition to his work as President and Professor of Trinitarian Theology and Spiritual Direction at Global Grace Seminary, he maintains a private consulting practice and serves as a regional mental health policy advisor. He resides in the picturesque Shenandoah Valley of Virginia with his wife and best friend, Carrie. 
 “Fractured Witness” available on Amazon To learn more about Dr. Matt: https://linktr.ee/drpandel www.noexceptionsministries.org For more information about Paul Young: https://wmpaulyoung.com/ Podcast: paulyoungpodcast.com FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this deeply moving conversation, Catherine Toon sits down with Brian Simmons—lead translator of The Passion Translation—to explore the breathtaking intimacy of God as our Bridegroom. This episode is a love letter from heaven, unveiling how God sees us: radiant, spotless, and utterly adored. You’ll discover what it means to ravage His heart with your beauty and be drawn into a divine romance unlike anything else. Brian shares powerful revelations on: - God’s “womb-love” (raqam) and the unfathomable Hebrew word chesed—love that originates before birth and never lets go.
 - How we are invited into the inner love circle of the Trinity—becoming a divine love quadrangle: Father, Son, Spirit, and Bride.
 - Perfect peace (shalom shalom) as God’s doubled promise—nothing missing, nothing broken.
 - Resting in the storm, trusting in the God who has His way in the whirlwind.
 - Transforming your pillow into a pillar of glory—laying down stress and letting divine affection stir your heart in the night. This conversation is for anyone longing to release anxiety, let go of striving, and step into the ecstasy of being fully seen, fully loved, and fully at rest in God. ~ Let your spirit be renewed. Come into the shelter of His glory. Let Him provide. Let Him love. ~ Brian and Candice have been described as true pioneers in ministry. As a spiritual father and mother, their teaching and spiritual gifts have opened doors in many nations to take the message of authentic awakening and revival to many. For the last 40 years, they have labored together to present Christ in His fullness wherever God sends them. Dr. Simmons is currently working as the lead translator of The Passion Translation and Chief Inspiration Officer at Passion & Fire Ministries Facebook: @Brian Simmons Instagram: @drbriansimmons Websites: https://passionandfire.com/ FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

What if everything you thought you knew about God needed a second look? In this engaging and heart-opening conversation, Catherine Toon interviews author and speaker Jason Clark about his provocative new book, “Rethinking God with Tacos.” Together, they explore what it means to rethink God—not through fear or shame, but through the lens of Jesus, perfect love, and radical grace. Jason shares his journey of deconstruction and reconstruction, revealing how a casual lunch conversation can become a divine invitation to experience God in a new, deeper way. If you've wrestled with a punishing image of God or struggled to reconcile your faith with Love, this episode is for you. * Discover how to leave behind toxic theology
 * Learn how God’s kindness leads us to transformation
 * Embrace a God who looks, loves, and lives like Jesus * Make sense and celebrate what the Lord does in hidden seasons Podcast: “Rethinking God with Tacos”, most major platforms YouTube: @Rethinking God with Tacos “Rethinking God with Tacos BOOK” available on Amazon Jason Clark: A Family Story: www.afamilystory.org www.linktr.ee/jasonclarkis FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

What if everything you thought you knew about God needed a second look? In this engaging and heart-opening conversation, Catherine Toon interviews author and speaker Jason Clark about his provocative new book, “Rethinking God with Tacos.” Together, they explore what it means to rethink God—not through fear or shame, but through the lens of Jesus, perfect love, and radical grace. Jason shares his journey of deconstruction and reconstruction, revealing how a casual lunch conversation can become a divine invitation to experience God in a new, deeper way. If you've wrestled with a punishing image of God or struggled to reconcile your faith with Love, this episode is for you. * Discover how to leave behind toxic theology
 * Learn how God’s kindness leads us to transformation
 * Embrace a God who looks, loves, and lives like Jesus * Make sense and celebrate what the Lord does in hidden seasons Podcast: “Rethinking God with Tacos”, most major platforms YouTube: @Rethinking God with Tacos “Rethinking God with Tacos BOOK” available on Amazon Jason Clark: A Family Story: www.afamilystory.org www.linktr.ee/jasonclarkis FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/ Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this heart-centered episode, Catherine Toon sits down with Shannon Bates to explore the transformative power of honor, love, and unity—both in ministry and everyday relationships. Shannon shares her personal journey and deep encounter with Honor and Love. Together, they unpack how self-honor, acceptance, and gratitude are foundational to restoring relationships, fostering connection, and building a culture of oneness in a divided world. From practical stories to prophetic insights, this conversation is a timely invitation to embrace diversity, affirm identity, and cultivate deep unity rooted in love. If you’re longing to deepen your connection with others, walk in honor, and carry the heart of God into your relationships, this episode is for you. Contact Shannon: https://sons.global/ FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this heart-centered episode, Catherine Toon sits down with Shannon Bates to explore the transformative power of honor, love, and unity—both in ministry and everyday relationships. Shannon shares her personal journey and deep encounter with Honor and Love. Together, they unpack how self-honor, acceptance, and gratitude are foundational to restoring relationships, fostering connection, and building a culture of oneness in a divided world. From practical stories to prophetic insights, this conversation is a timely invitation to embrace diversity, affirm identity, and cultivate deep unity rooted in love. If you’re longing to deepen your connection with others, walk in honor, and carry the heart of God into your relationships, this episode is for you. Contact Shannon: https://sons.global/ FREE Protect Your Purpose Masterclass: 3 Keys to Staying Inspired and Thriving in Your Calling to Align with Your God-Given Purpose Watch it now: https://catherinetoon.com/pypmasterclass/ Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

In this powerful episode, Catherine Toon invites you into the sacred journey of transformation. In a world that celebrates instant gratification, Catherine gently reminds us that growth in God’s kingdom is a process—a holy, beautiful, and sometimes painful unfolding. Drawing from her prophetic insight and deep spiritual experience, she explores how God uses every moment—even our trials—to conform us into the image of Christ. You'll discover how to embrace the process with self-compassion, trust God's timing, and lean into His unconditional love. Whatever you are navigating, this episode will encourage you to stay the course, not only with patience and endurance, but with confident hope, know you are in the masterful, redemptive hands of a God Who brings beauty from barren things. Nothing is wasted. You're not alone. You're deeply loved, and your process is sacred. Special Opportunity:
FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass”: https://catherinetoon.com — don’t miss this chance to align with your God-given calling! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!