#76 Katherine Trebeck - From Wellbeing Economics to Intergenerational Capital

In this episode, Alistair sits down with Dana Loberg for an inside-out exploration of Silicon Valley — not as mythology, but as lived reality.Together, they unpack the hidden costs of “making it” inside one of the world’s most competitive ecosystems: the fragmentation of identity, the pressure to perform, and the quiet ways the body signals misalignment long before the mind catches up. Dana shares her journey through entrepreneurship, motherhood, health collapse, and a transformative encounter with ayahuasca that reframed success itself.This conversation asks a deeper question beneath startup culture and capital allocation:👉 What if founder wellbeing isn’t separate from performance — but foundational to it?---🔷 Guest Bio (Dana Loberg)Dana Loberg is an entrepreneur, founder, and systems thinker whose work bridges technology, human development, and conscious leadership.Having built and operated within Silicon Valley’s high-performance culture, Dana brings a rare perspective on the intersection of ambition, identity, embodiment, and transformation. Her journey spans startup leadership, fundraising, motherhood, health challenges, and deep inner work — offering insight into what it means to succeed without losing oneself in the process.Today, her work explores how emerging technologies, founder wellbeing, and inner development can reshape the future of entrepreneurship and leadership.👉 To learn more about me:🌐 https://alistairlanger.com🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/alistairlanger/#DanaLoberg #CatalyzingRadicalSystemicChange #FounderWellbeing #ConsciousLeadership #SiliconValley #HumanDevelopment #Entrepreneurship #InnerSovereignty

In this episode, Alistair sits down with Katherine Trebeck — political economist and co-founder of the wellbeing economy movement — to ask a deceptively simple question:👉 What is an economy actually for?Together, they unpack how GDP became a flawed scoreboard — rewarding extraction while masking what truly matters: dignity, belonging, and enoughness. From grassroots innovations to systemic design, they explore why isolated solutions aren’t enough — and what it takes to move from fragmented “Lego blocks” to new economic operating systems.If you’re thinking about the future of policy, capital, and society, this episode is an invitation to reconnect the pieces — and build an economy that actually serves life.---🔷 Guest Bio (Katherine Trebeck)Katherine Trebeck is a political economist and a leading voice in the global wellbeing economy movement. She is the co-founder of the Wellbeing Economy Alliance and works at the intersection of economic system change, public policy, and social justice.Her work challenges the dominance of GDP as the primary measure of success, advocating instead for economies designed around human and ecological wellbeing, dignity, and long-term stewardship.Through research, advisory, and global collaboration, Katherine is helping shape the shift toward economic systems that prioritize people, planet, and purpose over extraction and short-term growth.🌐 https://katherinetrebeck.com/👉 To learn more about me:🌐 https://alistairlanger.com🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/alistairlanger/#WellbeingEconomy #KatherineTrebeck #CatalyzingRadicalSystemicChange #SystemsChange #BeyondGDP #EconomicTransformation #RegenerativeEconomics #PolicyInnovation

In this episode, Alistair sits down with Jenna Nicholas — impact investor and author of The Enlightened Bottom Line — to explore a question at the heart of our economic future:👉 Can capital become a force for consciousness?Drawing from her journey across traditional finance and values-driven investing, Jenna unpacks why the future of markets depends not just on better structures, but on inner transformation. Together, they examine the tension between incentive design and investor consciousness — and what it takes to move from extraction toward regeneration.If you're navigating impact, finance, or systemic change, this episode challenges you to rethink not just how we invest — but who we are when we invest.---🔷 Guest Bio (Jenna Nicholas)Jenna Nicholas is an impact investor, entrepreneur, and author of The Enlightened Bottom Line, working at the intersection of finance, systems change, and spirituality.Her work challenges the assumption that integrity and performance are opposites, arguing instead that long-term value creation requires moral clarity, inner development, and systemic accountability.With experience spanning traditional finance and mission-driven capital allocation, Jenna is helping shape a future where investment decisions reflect not only returns — but purpose, legacy, and regeneration.🌐 https://www.jenna-nicholas.com/👉 To learn more about me:🌐 http://www.alistairlanger.com🔗 https://lnkd.in/eXXbDZ8Y#ImpactInvesting #JennaNicholas #CatalyzingRadicalSystemicChange #RegenerativeFinance #ConsciousCapital #SystemsChange #EnlightenedBottomLine #PurposeDrivenCapital

In this episode, Alistair sits down with Ryan (Ra) James Kemp — systems thinker and indigenous knowledge apprentice — to explore what lies beneath today’s cascading crises: the collapse of a worldview.Together, they examine why most modern solutions fail because they emerge from the same epistemology that created the problems. Drawing from long-term relationships with multiple indigenous lineages, Ryan shares how Two-Eyed Seeing offers a pathway forward — holding Western intelligence and ancestral wisdom in responsible balance.This conversation isn’t about innovation — it’s about remembrance.Not optimization — but humility, reciprocity, and becoming ancestors worthy of the future.---🔷 Guest Bio (Ryan James Kemp)Ryan (Ra) James Kemp is a systems thinker, indigenous knowledge apprentice, and architect of living bridges between worlds.Grounded in long-term relationships with indigenous lineages across Hawai‘i, Mesoamerica, and North America, his work centers on Two-Eyed Seeing — responsibly holding Western analytical intelligence alongside ancestral ecological wisdom.Ryan supports leaders and organizations navigating climate collapse, regeneration, and paradigm transition by helping them remember what humanity already knows — rather than inventing new abstractions disconnected from living systems.🔗 Learn more:https://rajames.co/https://www.quantumsystemscreation.com/https://www.originallivingresponsibilities.org/https://www.diva.cx/https://www.sixthsunimmersions.com/Connect:https://www.instagram.com/_ryanrajames/https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanrajames8/👉 To learn more about me:🌐 https://alistairlanger.de🔗 https://lnkd.in/eXXbDZ8Y#WorldviewShift #TwoEyedSeeing #DeepTimeLeadership #IndigenousKnowledge #SystemsThinking #RegenerativeFutures #RyanJamesKemp #CatalyzingChange

In this deeply intimate episode, Alistair sits down with Carie Bailey, founder of Verakai, to explore legacy at its deepest layer — not as wealth transfer, but as a return to presence, identity, and love.Carie shares the defining moments of her life — childhood trauma, early spiritual awakening, and a midlife rupture that opened her into a direct experience of divine presence. These moments shaped her three-stage methodology: Remembrance, Return, and Rise — a pathway for leaders and families to heal at the root and steward legacy from coherence rather than fear.Together, they unpack why the greatest wealth transfer in history will fail without inner transformation — and why families are the most powerful lever for systemic change. If leaders heal the family system, they heal the future.Carie Bailey is the Founder & President of Verakai, a Private Legacy & Leadership Advisory for visionary leaders and families who understand that true legacy is measured not in assets, but in presence, unity, and love across generations.A global impact strategist and trusted advisor to some of the world’s most accomplished families, Carie has spent over two decades guiding leaders through life’s deepest transitions — moments that unlock higher capacities for leadership, relationship, and stewardship.Her work introduces a new architecture for living and leading — one that transcends performance and restores presence as the highest form of power. Through her proprietary process, clients awaken to their Divine Identity, heal family systems, and co-create legacies that regenerate future generations.👉 Learn more about Verakai: www.verakailegacy.comTo learn more about me:🌐 https://alistairlanger.de🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/alistairlanger/#SacredLegacy #PresenceBasedLeadership #Verakai #FamilyHealing #SystemicChange #ConsciousLeadership #WealthWithPurpose #IntergenerationalHealing

In this episode, Alistair Langer sits down with Beth Rudden — anthropologist, former IBM Distinguished Engineer, and founder of BAST.AI — to explore artificial intelligence not as a tool, but as a civilizational mirror.Beth reveals why today’s AI systems don’t surface truth — they amplify heuristics, bias, and cultural shortcuts baked into both data and human cognition. Together, they examine how large language models reinforce familiarity over wisdom, correlation over causation, and speed over context.Framed through Deep Time and collective intelligence, this conversation asks a more unsettling question than “How powerful is AI?”👉 Are we mature enough to co-evolve with the intelligence we’re creating?Beth Rudden is an anthropologist, former IBM Distinguished Engineer, and the founder of BAST.AI — a next-generation AI company focused on context, ontologies, and cognitive scaffolding rather than brute-force data extraction.With a career spanning archaeology, data ethics, global workforce transformation, and AI architecture, Beth brings a rare civilizational lens to artificial intelligence. Her work challenges the assumption that AI is neutral, instead positioning it as a reflection of human epistemology, culture, and power structures.Through BAST.AI, she is pioneering approaches that prioritize meaning, trust, and agency — helping humanity learn how to steward intelligence, not just scale it.To learn more about me:🌐 https://alistairlanger.de🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/alistairlanger/#AIandHumanity #BethRudden #CatalyzingRadicalSystemicChange #DeepTime #CollectiveIntelligence #AIEthics #SystemsThinking #CognitiveBias #FutureOfAI

In this episode, Alistair sits down with Phil Hagspiel — founder of Mosaic — to explore the power of meta-learning in an age where attention is hijacked and AI mirrors our blind spots.They unpack why understanding your own mental models is now a superpower: most leaders navigate the world through unconscious biases, running on mental autopilot while algorithms quietly shape their choices. Phil reveals how stepping into the meta-level — seeing the “Lego blocks” of your own thinking — expands agency, sharpens strategy, and upgrades how we deal with complexity.If you’re a founder, builder, or leader seeking clarity in the social and AI dilemma, this episode gives you the tools to reprogram your inner operating system.Phil Hagspiel is a fitness tech managing director and the creator of Mosaic, a mental-model engine designed to help ambitious people think clearly, decide wisely, and perceive reality through higher-resolution lenses. His work blends complexity science, psychology, and philosophy into practical frameworks for navigating an increasingly noisy and nonlinear world.👉 https://www.philhagspiel.com/getmosaicTo learn more about me:🌐 https://alistairlanger.de🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/alistairlanger/#MetaLearning #MentalModels #SystemsThinking #Leadership #FounderMindset #AIAndSociety #AttentionEconomy #DecisionMaking #ComplexityScience #PersonalGrowth

In our latest episode, Alistair sits down with Nicolas Branas Michaelsen — ex-VC turned architect of the Wisdom Economy — to rethink what capital, learning, and civilization design look like beyond mechanistic thinking.Nicolas unpacks the pivotal awakenings that pulled him from venture exits into ecological consciousness, developmental practice, and community-based transformation. Together, they explore why impact investing fails without inner work, why wisdom—not capital—is the next frontier, and how deliberately developmental spaces could become global monasteries for a post-capitalist world.If you're building the future of learning, community, and meaningful work in the age of AI — this one will expand your mental map.For more from Nicolas:👉 Substack: https://ecologiesofwisdom.substack.com👉 https://basincollective.com/To learn more about me:🌐 https://alistairlanger.de🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/alistairlanger/#WisdomEconomy #NicolasBranasMichaelsen #CatalyzingRadicalSystemicChange #SystemsThinking #RegenerativeFutures #DevelopmentalSpaces #PostCapitalism #AIandSociety #ConsciousnessShift

In this intimate and soul-stirring episode of Catalyzing Radical Systemic Change, host Alistair Langer sits down with dear friend and ceremonial guide Angel Hernandez, whose life has become deeply intertwined with the Wixarika (Huichol) tradition of Mexico.From the chaos of urban life in Berlin to the sacred deserts of Wirikuta, Angel’s journey is one of collapse, surrender, and profound rebirth — guided by the spirit of Kayumari, the Blue Deer. Together, they explore how indigenous wisdom, plant medicine, and the ceremonial fire are not just personal healing tools but living systems for restoring coherence and balance in a fragmented world.Highlights:✨ A Journey of Collapse & Renewal – From bi-cultural roots and rejection to rediscovering purpose through the Wixarika path.🔥 Life Around the Fire – Understanding the four rounds, prayer, music, dance, and why the true medicine is not the cactus, but the prayer itself.💚 Healing from the Heart – Aligning willpower with compassion, softening strength into love, and integrating heart and solar plexus.🛡️ Indigenous Communities as Mirrors – Lessons in unconditional acceptance and coherence from the Wixarika way of life.🏛️ Yurineaka Parewiwame (Helping Mother Earth) – The first indigenous-led, steward-owned nonprofit for the Wixarika, dedicated to:• Preserving culture and sacred lands• Building sustainable infrastructure (water, energy, food)• Reviving local economies for thriving villagesKey Takeaways:🌿 Indigenous wisdom is a living technology for balance.🔥 Ceremonial fire teaches coherence — heart 💚 and solar plexus ☀️ in harmony.🤝 Reciprocity matters — if you’ve healed through indigenous medicine, give back.About Angel Hernandez:Angel is a cultural bridge, ceremonial guide, and co-founder of Yurineaka Parewiwame, working directly with Wixarika marakames (spiritual leaders) to protect sacred lands and traditions. His work focuses on restoring reciprocity between modern seekers and indigenous communities, while helping others reconnect with prayer, ceremony, and the living Earth.🎧 Tune in to this conversation that feels more like a prayer than a podcast — a call to coherence, love, and reciprocity.For more details, visit: 👉 angelhernandez.de🌎 Foundation: yupa.com.mx🌵 Ceremonial work: kauyumari.orgTo learn more about me, follow the below links:🌐 Website: https://alistairlanger.de🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alistairlanger/#AngelHernandez #CatalyzingRadicalSystemicChange #IndigenousWisdom #CeremonialFire #Wixarika #Kayumari #Reciprocity #Healing #SystemsChange #HelpingMotherEarth

In this transformative episode of Catalyzing Radical Systemic Change, host Alistair Langer is joined by Christian Ray Flores — entrepreneur, high-performance coach, former Russian pop idol, and founder of Third Drive. His life story spans continents, cultures, and careers, weaving resilience, reinvention, and purpose into a mission to empower world changers.Together, they explore how personal transformation, cultural identity, and faith-driven leadership can shape the future of impact entrepreneurship. This is not just inspiration—it’s a masterclass in aligning legacy with action.Highlights:🧬 A Life Shaped by Many Worlds – African, Latin American, and Soviet roots forged a unique spiritual DNA.🎤 Pop Stardom & Its Shadows – How fame nearly derailed his purpose before grief and failure redefined it.🌱 The Reinvention – From music to philanthropy to entrepreneurship, each pivot deepened his calling.🌍 Coaching World Changers – Building Third Drive to raise conscious capital and equip entrepreneurs for impact.🧠 Cutting-Edge Coaching – Blending business acumen with emotional intelligence to unlock hidden potential.💥 Faith-Driven Leadership – Navigating crises with clarity, courage, and conviction.Mic-Drop Moments:✨ “If you don’t transform your pain, you will transmit it.”✨ “Fame without formation is a recipe for collapse.”✨ “You don’t need a bigger audience — you need a clearer signal.”About Christian Ray Flores:Christian is a global entrepreneur, high-performance coach, and cultural innovator. After global fame as a musician, he turned to philanthropy and impact-driven entrepreneurship, co-founding Third Drive in Austin, Texas. Today, he coaches high achievers and leaders worldwide, helping them maximize impact while building cultures that catalyze systemic change.🎧 Tune into this unforgettable conversation on resilience, legacy, and purpose-driven leadership.👉 Christian Ray Flores LinkedInTo learn more about me, follow the links below:WebsiteLinkedIn#ChristianRayFlores #CatalyzingRadicalSystemicChange #ImpactLeadership #FaithInBusiness #ResilientFutures #ConsciousCapital #SystemsChange