Ep. 251: Myles Smith | Stargazing, Therapy, and The Secret Cost of Success

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Today's guest is the name behind a decade of names you already know by heart. Eight weeks at #1 with Drake. Over a billion streams off a single Travis Scott beat. A top-six Hot 100 record with Migos, Nicki Minaj, and Cardi B — all on one song. Nipsey Hussle. French Montana. A whole generation of trap and rap that doesn't sound the way it sounds without him. And here's the part that should annoy every producer alive: he made most of it in under 20 minutes, by himself.And The Writer Is... Murda Beatz!In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:- Why doubt is important- The principal who told him being a producer was "unrealistic" — and what he'd say to him now- Making "Nice For What" in 20 minutes — and why it was never actually mixed- Selling beats over Western Union for $50–$200 — until working with the Migos got him flagged for fraud- DMing his way from a Canadian bedroom to Chief Keef, the Migos, and Nipsey Hussle- The Migos teaching him to cook beats in 10 minutes: "you gotta be faster"Losing his dad at 21 — and how he handles grief while the machine keeps runningand his new mixtape, 'Bando'And much more...Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music.Follow us on socials: @andthewriterisA special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible.Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishers' Association. Your support means the world to us.And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period.Chapters:0:00 Intro1:45 The best producer tag that isn't yours2:32 The songs: "Nice For What," "Butterfly Effect," "MotorSport"3:03 The plaque wall — and the one with "some crazy number"4:29 When the label wouldn't put a producer's name on the plaque7:00 Born in Niagara Falls, a town of 3,000 on the Buffalo border8:33 A dad who played guitar, a left-handed kid on the drums11:36 Why so many great musicians come from Canada13:08 Trading the drum kit for trap beats14:29 Digging for Lex Luger drum kits in Skype groups16:25 "Murda Beatz on the track" — building a fanbase on Facebook and YouTube19:38 The principal who said being a producer was "unrealistic"21:51 "The doubt is important" — Michael Jordan and manufacturing motivation24:50 How you go from YouTube to a $20,000 check26:33 Learning his value — refusing to be a "sound producer"27:26 Selling beats on Western Union, and getting flagged for fraud33:00 Being a white kid making rap on Chicago's South Side35:02 How he met the Migos on the internet40:36 Making "Pipe It Up" — and learning to cook beats in 10 minutes42:32 World #1s in 15–20 minutes: "Butterfly Effect" and "Nice For What"45:35 Curating a beat pack — and remembering every beat by name51:24 The crazy fact about "Butterfly Effect": it was never mixed52:13 "MotorSport" hits #6 — sitting on it for four months53:24 Making Nipsey Hussle's beat his first day in LA56:55 "Nice For What" — made in Canada, #1 for eight weeks62:10 Adjusting as hip-hop changes: "I made rap because I wanted to make rap"63:42 Producer vs. featured artist — why go solo68:17 Simplicity: 8–10 stems and nothing wasted69:27 Losing his dad at 21, and how he deals with grief70:14 The alone time that built everything71:15 What's next: the "Bando" project, ten years after his first mixtape73:02 Rapid fire: signature beat, Mount Rushmore of producers77:25 Murda Melodies — the plugin that landed on a Bad Bunny record80:28 Advice for upcoming producers80:31 A message to his mom — and what he'd tell his dadCredits:Hosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London & Jad SaadEdited by Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Today's guest is a rising star who's risen so fast he's not really rising anymore — he's just a star.From a bedroom in Luton playing $50 nylon-string covers and open mics playing for 4 people... Three years later: a billion streams, "Stargazing" on President Obama's summer playlist, two singles that took over pop radio before he'd ever made a debut album, and a debut album sourced from the notes he wrote in therapy that saved him.He's proof that sometimes all you really need is a guitar, a work ethic, and a Taco Bell-poisoned night in Malibu to write a song people argue about in twenty languages.And the writer is... Myles Smith!If you've ever wanted something so badly you didn't think to ask what it would cost when it arrived — this is the conversation.And The Writer Is... Myles Smith!In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:• Why he scrubbed every song he made before 2023 — and what "I didn't exist before 2023" actually means• His advice for up and coming artists...• The end-of-Covid breakdown at 18 that almost ended things — and the therapy notes that became My Mess, My Heart, My Life.• Meeting Peter Fenn on the last day of a six-week US trip — and writing "My Home" in the first hour• The Taco Bell food-poisoning night in Malibu that produced "Stargazing"• The hidden cost of success on his relationships• "Hey mom, I want to retire you" — and what she said backAnd much more...Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music.Follow us on socials: @andthewriterisA special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible.Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishers' Association. Your support means the world to us.CHAPTERS0:00 Intro2:21 My Mess, My Heart, My Life.3:16 The pressure of being "right at the start of the journey"4:35 "If you take away the hits, you could see where I really am"4:54 "I wake up some days in a catastrophe"6:01 The five albums he wore out7:23 His mum, his absent dad, and a single-parent household8:22 Singing in church with his grandma11:41 First talent show: Fix You by Coldplay13:01 The $50 nylon-string guitar that started it14:02 Playing "Dream Girl" for his mum at 1015:23 Growing up Black in Luton and the Labrinth Electronic album that broke his brain open18:45 Open mics at 11 — his mum driving him to every one20:18 Why open mics built him in a way the algorithm can't21:43 "I was really lucky that I got to fail a thousand times"22:30 The first real gig — 100 cap, 90 friends and family, indie band Bear with a Three29:18 Covid, isolation, rock bottom30:44 Therapy — and the notes that became the album33:06 Trust issues, anxiety, the night at 18 he tried to "ctrl alt delete on life"35:12 What he'd say to 18-year-old him36:55 The videographer who pushed him to try TikTok37:25 "I'm not trying that shit" — and the Sweater Weather cover that changed everything40:24 How he paved his way onto an Amber Run tour with one recorded song43:40 NMPA mid-roll44:22 The day his career actually started: meeting Peter Fenn46:08 "Music with other people is supposed to be fun" — Peter's first lesson49:01 "My Home" — written in the first hour of meeting Peter54:48 After Stargazing: "stuck in the future"60:06 Brain scans, burnout, smiling through it all62:30 "Hey mom, I want to retire you" — and what she said63:31 The UK artists who don't love being famous — Ed Sheeran, James Bay, Niall Horan66:12 Are you happy?78:29 "I hated Niall Horan" — and why80:11 Rapid fire83:32 Meeting his wife with all this happening85:00 The album as the closing of the first chapter90:46 Pulling up the old voice memos92:02 The Taco Bell night that became "Stargazing"95:39 The biggest pinch-me moment of the last three years98:06 Ross and Joe tape notesWatch on Spotify. Spotify Premium users get no commercial breaks on our show.CREDITS BLOCKCredits:Hosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London & Jad SaadEdited by Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Today's guest came up in the biggest band in the world at seventeen, watched it pause at twenty-two, and built a solo career almost no one in his position has ever managed to sustain. From success, to tragedy, and back... This Irishman makes his triumphant return to the stage and our hearts with 'Dinner Party'.And The Writer Is... Niall Horan!He talks about Liam not as a tribute beat, but as a presence — what fires you up to walk on stage when somebody you love would still want to be there. After the band, after the loss, after four albums — who do you become?In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:- Coming off the 2024 tour that sold over a million arena tickets "without a big smash hit of the show"- The twelve-week Southeast Asia backpacking trip that came right before "This Town"- The story of songs like 'Heaven', 'Slow Hands', 'This Town', and Liam's song...- Pushing One Direction's sound from "What Makes You Beautiful" toward "Story Of My Life"- Going solo at twenty-three and being terrified the music was about to end- Julian Bunetta's intervention on "End Of An Era": "this song is about Liam, we just don't know it yet"- "Dinner Party," the new album, and the next world tourHit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music.Follow us on socials: @andthewriterisA special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible.Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishers' Association. Your support means the world to us.0:00 Intro1:12 Straight back to the studio after the 2024 arena tour2:13 Over a million tickets sold in 2024 — "and I just wasn't expecting it"3:23 Meeting on the One Direction tour years ago — abandoned buildings, makeshift studios, 200 fans outside within the hour5:46 The post-show ritual: shower, shorts, Netflix, no drinking9:20 Concerts as events now — the fans build it before he arrives10:08 "I grew up on Slow Hands" — Sombr and the new guard14:34 Why the Irish footprint is so big — and why Irish men can't say it out loud17:16 First concert was the Eagles at four — and his mom's Hotel California vinyl18:44 How Niall's listening drove One Direction's sound toward "Story Of My Life"24:58 Savan Kotecha asks: sticking to your guns when every era says chase the trend27:43 "I don't think I'd be able to sell something else that doesn't come from me"34:34 Going solo at twenty-three — and being terrified it was all going to end35:32 How watching the other boys release first actually fired him up40:05 "You can't chase Slow Hands" — the law Niall heard John Ryan name on this podcast45:15 Why he went backpacking through Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and the Philippines after the band46:39 Why Slow Hands taking twenty weeks to #1 was actually the goal56:11 "The minute you think you're a household name, it's game over"57:03 What The Voice actually did to his crowd66:55 "Heartbreak Weather" — wanting to be the song that stands out, even at the cost of being safe75:09 Writing Heaven at 1am in Joshua Tree — and John Ryan about to walk away80:53 Liam Payne, and the song that wrote itself in five minutes once Julian said the thing nobody was saying89:02 The lowest moment of his career — and it's not what you'd guess93:36 The waterfall effect — the people you surround yourself withCredits:Hosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London & Jad SaadEdited by Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Today's guest is a Grammy Producer of the Year who's tied with Babyface for the only three-in-a-row run in the award's history — and whose real story isn't the trophies, the radio, or the run of hits. It's the decision he makes once every few years that almost no other producer at his level makes: which artist he'll spend the next decade building.From frontman of touring indie band Steel Train to one of the most decorated producers of his generation, he built his career against almost every modern industry instinct.This is one of the more honest conversations about what it actually takes to bet a decade of your career on one person. When you're quietly refusing the industry's playbook from inside the room — who do you become?And The Writer Is... Jack Antonoff!In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:• The importance of finding your people• Why "Album is God" — and what a single actually is• The Sabrina Carpenter origin: a random run-in two weeks after a Bleachers show• "Workaholics aren't disciplined. They're sad." — why he refuses all-nighters• The "Getaway Car" bridge moment Taylor's documentary caught in real time• 5 voices that feel like 100 — the "Please Please Please" vocal stack walkthrough• The artists he's passed on who became stars — and why he doesn't regret it• Why he writes his best on instruments he doesn't understandAnd much more...Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music.Follow us on socials: @andthewriterisA special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible.Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishers Association. Your support means the world to us.And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period.CHAPTER TIMESTAMPS0:00 Intro1:10 Ross gave Jack his first co-writing session2:42 The myth and folklore of the LA writing scene8:02 "There's no proof more sessions makes you better"10:08 What gives energy vs. what takes it13:12 Body-of-work first, not single first16:48 "Album is God. Singles are a long hallway to nothing."17:58 The hit-song tour that sold 12 tickets19:17 Sabrina, Chappell, Charli — the only lesson from artist development22:35 Working with artists who already have the vision23:33 Amy asks: how do you make something timeless?25:40 Album tracks are like movie scenes — "Scarface doesn't fit in The Holiday"26:55 How the sonic palette emerges (Mastermind, Tulsa Jesus Freak)31:43 Bleachers — letting the band teeter33:22 "I write my best on what I understand the least"37:47 "Workaholics aren't disciplined. They're sad."40:18 The "Getaway Car" bridge moment Taylor's documentary caught41:28 Keeping it small even when the artist is the biggest in the world44:24 Writing for yourself is how you reach more people48:48 "Geniuses finish things"52:01 Why he protects his circle from outside voices54:37 What Producer of the Year three years in a row actually means56:36 The producers Jack steals from (Jeff Lynne, Sam Dew)61:17 5 voices that feel like 100 — "Please Please Please" stack walkthrough64:10 Dyslexic, Adderall, the VS 840 zip-disk teen years68:13 Authenticity is the only currency that lasts68:57 When their song "March" became a MeToo women's marches anthemCredits:Hosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London & Jad SaadEdited by Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik KarkiWatercolor by Michael White Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Today's guest is a multi-instrumentalist, music educator, interviewer, producer, and songwriter. He is also one of the most influential independent music voices online. His real story isn't the channel he built after a 90-second video of his son's perfect pitch hit 80 million views overnight, it's his incredible value to the music community and the conversations he sparks online about the state of the music industry and his conversations with some of the biggest creators within it's orbit.This is one of the more unflinching conversations we've had about what's actually happening to music. Two musicians from different generations of the same fight, working it out in real time. Where do you stand when the rules of the music industry keep changing under your feet?And The Writer Is... Rick Beato!In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on:How getting dropped in 1999 built a YouTube empire 16 years laterWhy Ringo would be a co-writer of every Beatles song in 2026The Eli Mercer experiment: building a fully fake AI artist with Claude — and what happened when he uploaded itThe NPR EDM stunt: 4 million monthly Spotify listeners, 6,300 followers, and what that math says about AIThe 90-second video of his son's perfect pitch that hit 3 million views by 10pm and 80 million total"There's no two current artists with the gravity of Bob Dylan and Stevie Wonder" — and Ross's case for their modern counterpartsWho is the Michael Jordan of pop music? Queen at 3 billion streams enters the chatWhy Ross is still bullish on songwriting — and what the Music Modernization Act got right that the No Fakes Act needs to finishAnd much more...Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music.Follow us on socials: @andthewriterisA special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible.Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishers Association. Your support means the world to us.Chapters0:00 Intro2:14 The beginning of Rick Beato's music career3:11 The rollercoaster of an early music career5:32 The Napster era and the dawn of digital recording9:16 Producing Shinedown — and how "Simple Man" became the hit10:54 Why "Yellow Ledbetter" was a B-side — and why bonus tracks are back12:48 What country radio still gets right about hits14:54 Inside Nashville sessions and the number triangle17:28 The future of AI in music — and the No Fakes Act21:20 The future of prompting and curating music23:54 Would The Beatles be a four-way publishing split in 2026?25:39 The modern music economy: are album tracks worthless now?27:58 American writers are chasing global stars now34:30 The Eli Mercer experiment: a fake artist built with Claude36:52 The NPR EDM stunt and what it proved about AI on Spotify41:18 4M monthly listeners. 6,300 followers. AI is winning the algorithm.42:58 How Rick Beato built a YouTube empire45:22 The "What Makes This Song Great" era51:49 1984 vs now — and the search for a modern Bob Dylan and Stevie Wonder54:18 Who is the Michael Jordan of pop music?55:51 Queen at 3 billion streams — what counts as "biggest"1:00:28 Golden, Blinding Lights, and what makes a 2020s standard1:06:53 Songwriter similarities and the lawsuits that never happened1:09:42 "Best era of pop music. Am I wrong?"1:13:56 1998: how Clear Channel and Cumulus consolidated radio1:20:14 The Music Modernization Act and what's actually next1:24:54 Is the future of songwriting still bullish?Credits:Hosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London & Jad SaadEdited by Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.