EP: #002 - Wafia

Five years after her first appearance on And That’s That On That, Lexi Aviles, better known as Love You Later, returns for a candid conversation about the realities of being an independent artist, the pressure to stay relevant, and finding your way back to the joy of creating.From social media burnout and the growing influence of AI to the financial realities of pursuing music, Lexi opens up about navigating an industry that often feels more focused on content than creativity. Plus, we revisit her hopes and dreams from five years ago, reflect on what’s changed, and explore what it means to keep believing in yourself when life doesn't go quite as planned.Want more of the show? ⁠Join us on Patreon for FREE⁠ to access exclusive Deep Dive companion articles, bonus episodes, opportunities to submit questions for upcoming guests, and early access to select episodes! Optional paid memberships start at just $5/month.

Gavyn sits down with psychic medium and author Travis Holp during a trip to NYC to discuss spirituality, grief, and how to trust the unknown. Travis opens up about his journey to becoming a full-time medium, the healing he's found through connecting with spirit, and what it really means to surrender to the universe. Together, they explore intuition, manifestation, angel numbers, and the idea that connecting with something greater than ourselves might be more accessible than we think.Whether you're deeply spiritual or simply curious, this conversation is an invitation to trust yourself, embrace the unexpected, and find meaning in the moments along the way.“Are You There, Spirit? It’s Me, Travis: Life Lessons from the Other Side” is available everywhere. Want more of the show? Join us on Patreon for FREE to access exclusive Deep Dive companion articles, bonus episodes, opportunities to submit questions for upcoming guests, and early access to select episodes! Optional paid memberships start at just $5/month.

In the first installment of The Deep Dive, Gavyn revisits his conversation with Australian singer-songwriter Wafia to explore the moments that stayed with him long after the interview ended.From learning to trust your intuition and finding your own voice to navigating complicated family relationships, this audio essay takes a closer look at the experiences that shape who we become. Featuring excerpts from the original interview, personal reflections, and a deeper exploration of Wafia's song "House Down" and the story behind it.Part recap, part reflection, The Deep Dive is a new bonus series offering another perspective on the conversations from And That's That On That.Prefer to read? The written companion article is available for free on Patreon.Listen to the full interview: EP: #002 — Wafia

Wafia joins Gavyn for an honest and deeply personal conversation about her journey from a nomadic childhood to finding her voice in the music industry. The two dive into the making of her debut album, Promised Land, the vulnerability behind songs like “House Down” and “Sad Shit,” navigating complicated relationships, and learning to trust yourself even when others tell you otherwise. Plus, Wafia reflects on self-worth, spirituality, and embracing the next chapter of her music career.Wafia's latest single, “Girl Is a Gun,” is available to stream everywhere now!Want more of the show? ⁠Join us on Patreon for FREE⁠ to access exclusive Deep Dive companion articles, bonus episodes, opportunities to submit questions for upcoming guests, and early access to select episodes! Optional paid memberships start at just $5/month.

A new era begins! Gavyn returns for the season premiere, marking the start of his solo host journey. Fresh off the release of her latest album, IS THIS THE END?, singer-songwriter Chelsea Cutler joins Gavyn for an honest and heartfelt conversation about the making of the record, the personal experiences that shaped it, navigating change, rediscovering herself, and embracing the uncertainty of new beginnings. Chelsea's new album, IS THIS THE END?, is available to stream everywhere now!Want more of the show? Join us on Patreon for FREE to access exclusive Deep Dive companion articles, bonus episodes, opportunities to submit questions for upcoming guests, and early access to select episodes! Optional paid memberships start at just $5/month.

Want a little more And That's That On That? Join us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content, behind-the-scenes updates, companion episode deep dives, early access, and more. Plus, your support helps keep these conversations going! Join for just $5/month at patreon.com/andthatsthatpod. This week, Haley and Gavyn sit down for their final episode before their “brief” medical leave post–kidney transplant hiatus. They talk about their ins and outs for 2026 — but, as usual, it turns into so much more.The two reflect on the closing of a chaotic "nine year," the promise of new beginnings ahead, and how numerology, astrology, and Saturn returns somehow feel a little too accurate this time around.Gavyn opens up about his health journey, kidney failure, and the surreal timing of his transplant, while Haley shares lessons learned from job loss, discomfort, and trusting that the universe really does clear what no longer fits.It’s a send-off episode full of closure, hope, laughter, and honesty — a pause before the rebuild, and a reminder that even when you don’t know what’s next, you’re exactly where you’re supposed to be.Music:“Golden Hour” – Ariel Shalom“Good Vibe” – Alex MakeMusicAnd That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.

We’re back with our holiday special extravaganza! This week, we reminisce about the exact moments we learned Santa wasn’t real, relive iconic Christmas memories, including questionable holiday cocktails and Del Taco traditions, and spiral into discussions about grief, RBF vs. resting concerned face, and why Christmas dinner is basically just Thanksgiving in December. Music:BalloonPlanet - "Once Upon a Christmas Groove"Rex Banner - "Silent Night"And That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.Season 3 - Episode 11

Guess who’s in their consistency era? (That’s on character development!)In this episode, Haley accidentally launches herself into orbit courtesy of a mystery gummy, while Gavyn gets unexpectedly acquainted with modern medicine and a surprise nap he didn’t sign up for. From hiccup horror stories to cosmic tarot readings, we somehow end up getting way too real about mental health, body image, and what it means to actually grow up.It’s funny, a little unhinged, and more vulnerable than we planned.. kinda like therapy, but with worse advice and better banter.Music:“Golden Hour” – Ariel Shalom“Good Vibe” – Alex MakeMusicAnd That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.Season 3 - Episode 10

This week, Haley and Gavyn sit down with artist and songwriter manager, A&R, founder of The Arena Music, and—once upon a time—Gavyn’s boss, Jared Kaner. They get into the wild reality of the music business and how Jared went from selling houses to working behind the scenes on global hits for artists like 5 Seconds of Summer, David Guetta, Galantis, Alan Walker, and more.If you’re an aspiring artist, songwriter, producer, or future manager, this episode is basically a free masterclass. Jared breaks down what it really takes to build a career in today’s industry, sharing the advice he wishes he had starting out.And because we can’t resist, we also drag Jared through our favorite recurring segments. Spoiler: he’s officially over Labubus.Music:“Golden Hour” – Ariel Shalom“Good Vibe” – Alex MakeMusicAnd That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.Season 3 - Episode 9

Happy Holidays and Happy Thanksgiving to our beautiful listeners! This week, Haley and Gavyn gather around the proverbial Thanksgiving table for a cozy holiday episode. They take a trip down memory lane and revisit old episodes in a rebranded “Into It and Over It,” now appropriately titled “It’s Giving Thanks… or No Thanks.” They dive into everything they’re genuinely grateful for this year, along with the things that are… respectfully not invited to the feast.Between the gratitude, they fall right back into their regularly scheduled yap sesh: Haley shares a backhanded “compliment” she received while getting Botox and a run-in with a heroic Postmates driver. Meanwhile, Gavyn fights for that title when he reveals his one-night-only career moment as a Postmates driver himself.It’s nostalgic, it’s chaotic, it’s heartfelt...exactly the kind of mess you want in your ears this Thanksgiving. 🧡Happy Thanksgiving from our family to yours!xoxo,Gavyn & HaleyMusic:BalloonPlanet - "Once Upon a Christmas Groove"Rex Banner - "Silent Night"And That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.Season 3 - Episode 8