Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

Joan Garry & Glennda Testone

Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.

265 Episoden

Ep 261: What Would Dolly Do? Leadership Lessons from a Life of Giving
vor 20 Stunden
50:33
Glennda Testone, CEO of Nonprofit Leadership Lab, did not grow up on Dolly Parton. A year and a half of full immersion later, she came away with three lessons about Dolly Parton philanthropy that every nonprofit leader should hear.
Ep 260: How Can Nonprofits Do Better Good? Hint: Doing More Isn’t the Answer.
29.8.2026
50:33
What if greater nonprofit impact isn’t about doing more? Glennda Testone talks with Better Good author Scott M. Curran about focusing on what works and using what you already have more intentionally.
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Ep 259: Nonprofit Unions: What Leaders, Staff, and Boards Need to Know with Bev Tillery
15.8.2026
1:08:22
For many nonprofit leaders, unionization can feel deeply personal. Explore the questions, challenges, and realities of nonprofit unionization, and how leaders, staff, and boards can navigate the process while preserving trust, culture, and their org’s values.
Ep 258: Burn on vs. Burnout: A Conversation With Jim Collins About What Matters in Life
1.8.2026
50:33
What if the goal isn’t simply to avoid burnout, but to learn how to burn on? Jim Collins joins Joan Garry to explore why some leaders stay energized for decades, what it means to stay “in frame,” and how to build a life around what matters most.
Ep 257: Presence ≠ Power: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Rashad Robinson
18.7.2026
50:33
Most nonprofits know how to get people to pay attention. Fewer know how to turn that attention into lasting change. In this conversation, Rashad Robinson shares what makes the difference.
Ep 256: What are Corporate Sponsors Really Looking for From Nonprofits? with Mariah Monique
20.6.2026
25:41
Some sponsorship conversations turn into long-term partnerships. Others quietly disappear after the first meeting. What's the difference?
Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame
8.6.2026
25:41
Managing a team that spans five generations isn't a Gen Z problem. It's a leadership challenge. In this episode, I sit down with Jason Burlingame to talk about the workplace tensions that seem to resurface with every generation and what it takes to lead through them.
Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame
8.6.2026
25:41
Managing a team that spans five generations isn't a Gen Z problem. It's a leadership challenge. In this episode, I sit down with Jason Burlingame to talk about the workplace tensions that seem to resurface with every generation and what it takes to lead through them.
Ep 254: Building Belonging When DEI Feels Like a Four-Letter Word with Dr Kiki Ramsey
23.5.2026
25:41
I sat down with Dr. Kiki Ramsey, positive psychologist and CEO of the Positive Psychology Coaching and Diversity Institute, to have an honest conversation about DEI that nonprofit leaders need to hear right now. We’re covering what’s changing and how nonprofits can keep building belonging even in a hostile climate.
Ep 253: Still Figuring It Out: An Honest Take on People Pleasing and Leadership
9.5.2026
25:41
For a long time, Glennda Testone’s people-pleasing nature shaped – and sometimes complicated – her leadership. In this honest, personal solo episode, she shares her journey from people pleaser to recovering people pleaser. Plus, five practical strategies for leading well when you’re wired to make everyone happy.

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Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

Joan Garry & Glennda Testone

265 Episoden

Ep 261: What Would Dolly Do? Leadership Lessons from a Life of Giving

Ep 260: How Can Nonprofits Do Better Good? Hint: Doing More Isn’t the Answer.

Ep 259: Nonprofit Unions: What Leaders, Staff, and Boards Need to Know with Bev Tillery

Ep 258: Burn on vs. Burnout: A Conversation With Jim Collins About What Matters in Life

Ep 257: Presence ≠ Power: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Rashad Robinson

Ep 256: What are Corporate Sponsors Really Looking for From Nonprofits? with Mariah Monique

Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame

Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame

Ep 254: Building Belonging When DEI Feels Like a Four-Letter Word with Dr Kiki Ramsey

Ep 253: Still Figuring It Out: An Honest Take on People Pleasing and Leadership