The Conversation

Ben, NiNi and Shan answer your questions and award the Girl Who Tried.Episode transcript available here.00:00 Welcome00:55 Introduction02:32 Inbox: Addicted, and Other Early BL19:13 Inbox: BL and Queer Cinema23:36 The Theory of Love RomCom Rewatch38:51 Girl, You Tried01:08:04 Outro: One Fuck Of A Year So Far

Our knees hurt and the music is too loud. Ben, NiNi, Shan and friend of the pod Turtles talk Gelboys and Heesu In Class 2.Episode transcript available here.00:00 Welcome00:55 Introduction08:36 Gelboys: A Portrait of Modern Youth17:32 Gelboys: Technology, Loneliness and Distraction30:58 Gelboys: Our Not-So-Fab Four40:30 Gelboys: Perspectives On The Ending44:28 Gelboys: Final Thoughts and Ratings53:17 Heesu In Class 201:00:41 Heesu In Class 2: The Story Is Storying01:09:55 Heesu In Class 2: Friendship, Family, Queerness and Acceptance01:24:57 Heesu In Class 2: On Seungwon01:28:06 Heesu In Class 2: The Galloping Disk Horse, Final Thoughts and Ratings01:38:31 Outro: Things Are Dire

Prestige TV is gay now! Historical bottom dementia is on the menu as we tackle two different era-spanning toxic romances. Ben, NiNi and friend of the pod Captain Hands talk Interview With the Vampire and Fellow Travelers.Episode transcript available here.00:00 Welcome00:55 Introduction02:25 Interview With The Vampire12:27 IWTV: The Vampire Mythos17:28 IWTV: The Best Bits21:35 IWTV: Claudia26:55 IWTV: Queerness in the Story36:19 IWTV: Gay Paree41:24 IWTV: Final Thoughts and Ratings51:16 Fellow Travelers01:04:44 Fellow Travelers: Hurt People Hurt People01:13:22 Fellow Travelers: The Saga of Hawk and Tim01:21:20 Fellow Travelers: Final Thoughts and Ratings01:28:38 Outro: More Toxic Tales Please!

FINALLY SOME GOOD GL. Ben, NiNi and Twig talk Fragrance You Inherit and Fragrance of the First Flower.Episode transcript available here.00:00 Welcome00:55 Introduction03:16 Fragrance You Inherit08:34 Fragrance You Inherit: All About the Relationships17:46 Fragrance You Inherit: Sakura's Coming Out21:50 Fragrance You Inherit: On-chan24:21 Fragrance You Inherit: Final Thoughts and Ratings29:08 Fragrance of the First Flower37:14 Fragrance of the First Flower: A Friend and a Foe45:22 Fragrance of the First Flower: Life Life-ing Is Good Drama!52:49 Fragrance of the First Flower: Final Thoughts and Ratings57:04 Outro: Lesbians!

In Part 2 of our Untamed discussion, Ben, NiNi, Shan and Bookworm talk our love for Jiang Cheng, our hatred for Meng Yao/Jin Guangyao, and why we will always hold out hope for more Chinese BL.Episode transcript available here.00:00 Welcome00:55 Intro: More Notes From The Future01:45 The Second Life09:23 The Second Life: The Fallout of Wei Wuxian's Choices16:52 The Second Life: Meng Yao's Dastardly Deeds26:52 The Second Life: The Tragedy of Wen Ning32:35 The Second Life: Two 'Fools'37:41 The Second Life: Various Random Musings48:18 Page to Screen (and Audio, and Anime, and Stage, and...)56:59 Afterlife: The Impact of The Untamed on BL and Fandom

It's 'the biggest goddamn BL in the world', and we're finally going to talk about it. Ben, NiNi, Shan and Bookworm talk The Untamed. In Part 1 of our two-part episode, we talk censorship, the journey from MDZS to The Untamed, and the first half of the story.Episode transcript available here.00:00 Welcome00:55 Introduction03:55 Censorship in Media: A Global View12:37 The MoDaoZuShi Phenomenon24:33 The Big Picture33:36 The First Life40:07 The First Life: Thoughts and Impressions46:21 The First Life: WangXian and Other Fucked Up Love Stories01:01:17 The First Life: Various Random Musings01:11:02 Outro: Notes From the Future

It’s our 3rd Annual Very Important Internet BL Awards and we’ve changed up our whole shit! Ben and NiNi talk the best things we watched all year. Episode transcript available here. 00:00 Welcome 00:55 Introduction: It's Awards Season Once More 02:09 Acting! 08:00 Ships Ahoy! 16:31 Immortal Technique 29:05 Top Tings 41:43 Special Class Awards 43:11 Special Class: Honourable Mentions 47:36 Special Class: Mark Pakin 6th Man Awards 51:13 Special Class: Standout Queer Narratives 01:06:00 Outro

It’s our holiday special (because it's a holiday somewhere in the world)! Ben, NiNi and assorted friends of the pod look back on 10 years of BL as a genre and talk 10 shows that define the genre for us. Episode transcript available here. 00:00 Welcome 00:55 Celebrating the BL Canon: A Retrospective 02:08 Blueming (2022) | KR | dir. Hwang Da Seul (Megan) 07:35 Dark Blue Kiss (2019) | TH | dir. Aof Noppharnach Chaiwimol (Shan) 13:59 He's Coming To Me (2019) | TH | dir. Aof Noppharnach Chaiwimol (Captain Hands) 17:00 His (2020) | JP | dir. Imaizumi Rikiya (Twig) 21:12 Light On Me (2021) | KR | dir. Lee Yoo Yeon (Kyra) 25:40 Make It Right (2017) | TH | dirs. New Siwaj Sawatmaneekul and Cheewin Thanamin Wongskulphat (Turtles) 33:29 The Miracle of Teddy Bear (2022) | TH | dir. Paajaew Yuthana Lorphanpaibul (Pluem) 39:52 Theory of Love (2019) | TH | dir. X Nuttapong Mongkolsawas (Bookworm) 46:15 The Untamed (2019) | CH | dirs. Steve Cheng and Chang Ka Lam (Shan) 51:42 We Best Love (2021) | TW | dir. Ray Jiang (Twig) 57:59 Ben and Nini's Drive-by Faves

Ben, NiNi and Shan discuss a weird year for QL and look ahead to 2025. Episode transcript available here. 00:00 Welcome 00:55 2024 Headlines: Industry Consolidation 06:49 2024 Headline: Self-Censorship 13:52 2024 Headlines: Vertical Format Micro-BLs and Other Shit We're Anti 20:14 Festivus Airing Of The Grievances 36:51 2024 Fan Awards 55:49 QL Resolutions 01:04:45 Affirmations and Hopes for the Future

Korea swung big at the end of the year and hit it out of the park on both the queer romance and queer life drama fronts. Ben, NiNi and Shan talk Let Free The Curse of Taekwondo and Love In The Big City. Episode transcript available here. 00:00 Welcome 01:15 Introduction: Let's Talk Hallyu 06:01 Let Free The Curse of Taekwondo 12:36 Taekwondo: Themes and Patterns In Hwang Da Seul's Work 21:54 Taekwondo: The Separation 33:28 Taekwondo: The Reunion 38:22 Taekwondo: On Hyeon Ho 44:57 Taekwondo: Final Thoughts and Ratings 52:33 Love In The Big City 58:46 Love In The Big City Part 1: Mi Ae and the Film Adaptation 01:06:50 Love In The Big City Part 2: Umma and Young Soo 01:17:05 Love In The Big City Part 3: Gyu Ho and Kylie 01:28:31 Love In The Big City Part 4: Habibi and the T-aras 01:40:28 Love In The Big City: Final Thoughts and Ratings 01:48:25 Outro