CNLP 592 | Peter Greer and Chris Horst on The Bad Math of Scarcity Thinking, Envy and Unhealthy Competition in Ministry and Leadership, And Overcoming Mission Drift To Play An Infinite Game

In this episode of the podcast, N.T. Wright discusses the forces that formed him into the scholar, priest, and writer he is today: his early influences, his calling, and what he gave up to pursue his writing. He also shares his views on spiritual warfare and the problem of Christians demonizing their enemies. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   2026 CHURCH TRENDS This year, I'm premiering my Annual Church Trends LIVE inside The Art of Leadership Academy. You'll receive the full 2026 church trends report and leader guide, as well as a live, interactive Q&A and a podcast series. All launching in January.  If you want to be the first to access it all, head to 2026churchtrends.com for free access. COMPASSION As a pastor, I wonder how that's going for you, your family, and your community this holiday season? Do you feel a deep sense of compassion? Can you imagine what might change if you did? Visit my friends at Compassion International to learn about the impact you and your church can make starting right now. Find out more at www.compassion.com/carey.     Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

Lysa TerKeurst opens up about the end of her marriage and offers insight into the distinction between difficult and destructive relationships. Lysa shares the biblical grounds for divorce, and Carey and Lysa discuss how to help people in a tough marriage. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   2026 CHURCH TRENDS This year, I'm premiering my Annual Church Trends LIVE inside The Art of Leadership Academy. You'll receive the full 2026 church trends report and leader guide, as well as a live, interactive Q&A and a podcast series. All launching in January.  If you want to be the first to access it all, head to 2026churchtrends.com for free access. GLOO AI Your congregation and staff are using AI tools, and as a leader, you must help them answer the question: Is AI contributing to my human flourishing or detracting from it? Rather than measuring AI on speed or accuracy, Gloo's Flourishing AI approach evaluates AI tools based on their alignment with key dimensions of human flourishing, helping leaders steward the question, "Should we use this tool?"  This is one of the ways Gloo is building high tech for a higher purpose.  Discover Flourishing AI at gloo.com/Carey     Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

J.D. Greear shares the tension every pastor feels over when to speak out, how to speak out, and which issues should command a pastor's voice. J.D. also discusses Charlie Kirk, the culture wars, and social outrage.  🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   2026 CHURCH TRENDS This year, I'm premiering my Annual Church Trends LIVE inside The Art of Leadership Academy. You'll receive the full 2026 church trends report and leader guide, as well as a live, interactive Q&A and a podcast series. All launching in January.  If you want to be the first to access it all, head to 2026churchtrends.com for free access. SUBSPLASH Subsplash is a unified platform that brings together your website, mobile app, giving, church management, live streaming, and more—so you can simplify your systems to amplify your ministry impact. Head to subsplash.com/carey today and you'll save $500 when you sign up. ASPEN GROUP Your building is shaping people's experience of ministry—either working for your mission or against it.  Aspen Group helps churches steward their resources to create spaces that enhance mission, elevate growth, and establish longevity—walking with you every step of the way, from first idea to final build.  To learn more about how Aspen Group can help your space better serve your mission, visit aspengroup.com/carey    Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

Dr. Caroline Leaf explains her philosophy on the distinction between the mind and the brain, and how to utilize your mind to combat stress, anxiety, and burnout. She also weighs in on AI and its potential to harm the mind and brain. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   STATE OF THE CHURCH Stay up to date on the latest research coming out of Barna's State of the Church. Visit stateofthechurch.com/carey AMPLIFY+ Amplify Plus from Ministry Brands, a fully connected church management platform that brings your people, communication, events, & scheduling—all into one place. When your systems work, your time "on" fuels the heart of ministry. Visit ministrybrands.com/amplify to learn more. IGNITER MEDIA Igniter has a robust library of ready-made church media from sermon videos to beautifully designed backgrounds that work seamlessly in all church presentation software applications.  And for my listeners, Igniter Media is offering a FREE exclusive sermon series package valued at $330.   Try it FREE at IgniterMedia.com/carey      Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

In this episode, you'll learn a fresh perspective on exactly where your time goes, how to cut the investments where you're least effective, and multiply your time investments in the activities that generate the most results. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   OneAccord OneAccord is an AI-based translation platform designed exclusively for the local church, with over 50 languages available, Visit oneaccord.ai/carey,  for a free trial with 3 hours of translation credit. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

Dr. James Sells and Shaunti Feldhahn rethink mental health and loneliness. They offer practical steps on how the church can lead healing without burning out its leaders, especially pastors. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   ECFA ECFA is committed to regularly providing content—like "7 Questions a Board Can Ask the Senior Leader" or "How to Identify Ministry Burnout"—to help you build up leaders that thrive in their wellbeing, faith, and reaching the world for Christ. Visit ecfa.org/LeaderCare to learn more and download free resources that will set your organization up for success. COMPASSION As a pastor, I wonder how that's going for you, your family, and your community this holiday season? I encourage you to visit my friends at Compassion International to learn about the impact you and your church can make starting right now.  Find out more at www.compassion.com/carey. JUNCTION CREATIVE Whether you need a new website, a fresh brand strategy, or a marketing campaign that converts with a real ROI, Junction Creative gives you access to experienced marketers who treat your business like their own. Their principles and values drive their belief that good companies can become great companies. That belief drives their approach to ROI-based digital marketing, results-driven SEO, and strategies with growth and profitability as their north star, as well as websites built with the understanding that they need to be your star employee representing you online. If you're ready for a more hands-on marketing partner, visit junctioncreative.com to schedule your free consultation.     Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

Comedian Andrew Stanley talks about his journey as a preacher's son who studied finance and accounting to become a rising comic who has performed with Colin Jost, Leanne Morgan, John Crist and others. Andrew covers the art of writing jokes, what happens when you bomb, how to recover, working with different audiences and more. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   GLOO What if technology actually helped people flourish? That's the question Gloo is working to answer. By training AI on values-aligned content, helping church leaders measure health and engagement, and connecting an ecosystem of over 450,000 organizations, Gloo is building the most trusted technology platform for the faith ecosystem. Learn more at gloo.com/Carey   Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

Thom Rainer explains the difference he's discovered between what growing churches do and what declining churches do. It's simpler than you think. Plus, how can you help the Anxious Generation feel comfortable coming to church? Thom explains what the research reveals. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   FUND THE FUTURE MASTERCLASS You cast vision. You preach faithfully. But when it comes to finances and generational giving, you hit a wall. That's exactly why me, Craig Groeschel, Chris Hodges, Ashley Wooldridge, Dan Clark, and others created Fund the Future Masterclass — a step-by-step program to shift your church from transactional giving to transformational generosity.  Enrollment is open now. BELAY Discover exactly what to hand off so you can focus on your calling — not content calendars. Download BELAY's free resource: "15 Tasks a Pastor Can Delegate to a Marketing Assistant." Text the word CAREY to 55123 for your free download.   Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

YouVersion CEO Bobby Gruenewald discusses what's right and wrong with AI, sharing some shocking examples of why Christians should be cautious about trusting AI for biblical accuracy. Bobby also explains how it took 13 years to reach 500 million installs, but only four years to reach a billion, and the changes YouVersion made to accelerate bible reach. 🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   FUND THE FUTURE MASTERCLASS You cast vision. You preach faithfully. But when it comes to finances and generational giving, you hit a wall. That's exactly why me, Craig Groeschel, Chris Hodges, Ashley Wooldridge, Dan Clark, and others created Fund the Future Masterclass — a step-by-step program to shift your church from transactional giving to transformational generosity.  Enrollment is open now. SWITCHER STUDIO Stream to every online platform at the same time — including your website. Think: Facebook, Website, YouTube, Instagram — with no complicated gear needed. Switcher Studio makes it simple. Grab your iPhones, iPads, and cameras, sync them together and switch between angles live. You can even add scripture, lyrics, or graphics on screen to help keep your congregation engaged.  Get $30 off a seasonal plan at switcherstudio.com/carey — and keep saving every season with this special offer. SUBSPLASH Subsplash is a unified platform that brings together your website, mobile app, giving, church management, live streaming, and more—so you can simplify your systems to amplify your ministry.  That means less time wasted on managing different systems and more time making disciples. Cut the clutter. Keep the calling. Subsplash is here to help.  Head to subsplash.com/carey today and you'll save $500 when you sign up.     Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network  

In a wide-ranging interview, Tim Timberlake reflects on a challenging pastoral succession and how he rebuilt momentum. Plus, he discusses getting divorced in his twenties, what he learned about leading while bleeding, and a lot more.  🔗   Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life.  Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes   STATE OF THE CHURCH Stay up to date on the latest research coming out of Barna's State of the Church. Visit stateofthechurch.com/carey   CHURCH LEADERS CONFERENCE This spring, Watermark Community Church in Dallas, Texas is hosting the Church Leaders Conference.  Over two days, you'll experience mainstage sessions with biblical teaching, practical breakouts to strengthen key areas of ministry, and time to have fun with your team. Gather your team, choose your dates, and register today at CLC2026.com.      Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network