Overgivers Anonymous Podcast

Have you ever felt like your business is a beautiful, high-performance vehicle, but you are the only person who knows how to drive it? For many entrepreneurs, the dream of freedom often turns into a 24/7 job where stepping away for even a weekend feels like a recipe for disaster. But what happens when life throws you a curveball? What if a family emergency or a personal health crisis requires you to step away for weeks, or even months? In a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mondor (the Geeky Girl) sat down with Candy Messer, a profitability adviser and fractional CEO. Together, they explored the essential shift from being the bottleneck in your business to becoming a leader who empowers a team to run the show. Whether you are struggling with the "guilt monsters" of taking time off or you aren't sure how to trust your team with your "baby," this guide breaks down how to build a business that thrives without your constant oversight. The Wake-Up Call: Why Operational Efficiency Matters Most entrepreneurs start their journey seeking time and financial freedom. However, Candy Messer points out that we often end up just working in a different location. We take our laptops on vacation, check emails during dinner, and stay tethered to our phones. While this might work during the "hustle" phase, it fails when real life intervenes. Candy shared a deeply personal story about the importance of business systems. In late 2025, she received a call that her father had been diagnosed with cancer. Because she had spent years preparing her team and testing her business's operational efficiency, she was able to drive ten hours away and stay for three months to care for him. She didn't have to worry about the day-to-day operations because her team was ready to step in. "I was not worried about work," Candy shared. "I was able to be there for the whole time... I'm very thankful that we had that vision ahead of time to prepare." This is the ultimate goal of delegation: the ability to be present for the moments that matter most without the business collapsing in your absence. The 10-Week Test: How to Step Away Gradually You don't go from working 60 hours a week to taking three months off overnight. Candy recommends a "testing" phase to identify where the cracks are in your systems. This gradual approach allows you to build confidence in your team and refine your processes. The Step-by-Step Testing Method: Week 1: Take one full week off. When you return, look for the "bottlenecks." What questions could only you answer? What tasks stalled? Week 2: Once the first set of issues is resolved, take two weeks off. The Expansion: Gradually increase your absence to three weeks, then four weeks. By the time Candy had to care for her father, she had already tested her absence for a total of 10 weeks over the course of a year. This "stress test" ensured that her team knew exactly what to do when the real emergency arrived. Conquering the "Guilt Monsters" Angela Mondor introduced a concept many overgivers relate to: Guilt Monsters. These are the internal voices that make us feel guilty when we aren't working, but also make us feel guilty when we are working and ignoring our families. It’s a lose-lose cycle that leads to burnout. To defeat the guilt monsters, you must shift your mindset from control to empowerment. Many business owners believe that "no one will care as much as I do" or "no one can do it as well as me." While it’s true that your team might not do things exactly like you, they might actually do them better. "Your team might not do it the same way you do... and they might do it better than you," Angela noted. When you empower your team, you aren't just offloading work; you are giving them the opportunity to bring fresh perspectives and more efficient methods to the table. Effective Delegation: Outcomes Over Micromanagement One of the biggest mistakes entrepreneurs make ...

Are you constantly feeling like you’re doing too much, yet somehow never doing enough? In a world that glorifies "the grind," many entrepreneurs, especially those with neurodivergent brains, find themselves trapped in a cycle of overgiving and exhaustion. In a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mondor (the Geeky Girl) sat down with Alyece Smith, a TEDx speaker and ADHD business coach, to dismantle the myths of hustle culture and explore how neurodivergent individuals can build sustainable, profitable businesses without burning out. Alyece Smith, the founder of Socially Awesome and an advocate for the neurodivergent community through Cadence Corner, brings a unique perspective rooted in both professional expertise and lived experience. As an autism mom and a neurodivergent entrepreneur herself, she understands that the "normal" systems of productivity often fail those whose brains work differently. This conversation dives deep into why we need to stop surviving and start building lives that actually support our unique cognitive wiring. The Hidden Dangers of Hustle Culture Hustle culture is everywhere. It’s the constant pressure to be "on" 24/7, to wake up at 5:00 a.m., and to sacrifice rest for the sake of the bottom line. For neurodivergent entrepreneurs, this culture isn't just exhausting; it’s harmful. Alyece explains that for those with ADHD or autism, energy is often tied directly to emotions. When we buy into the idea that we aren't doing enough, it triggers a downward emotional spiral. "That feeling of not doing enough and not being enough that comes from that hustle culture just takes us down an emotional path which gives us less energy," Alyece notes. "It’s a spiral that we can just be on forever." Because neurodivergent individuals often struggle with energy regulation, the shame of not meeting neurotypical standards of productivity can lead to extreme, long-term burnout. Navigating Rejection Sensitivity and Guilt One of the most significant hurdles for neurodivergent people is Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria (RSD). This extreme fear of rejection or failure can make every business decision feel like a high-stakes emotional gamble. When combined with the performance pressure of a career and the personal responsibilities of parenting or marriage, the weight can become unbearable. Alyece points out that many women are late-diagnosed, meaning they have spent years trying to be "everything for everyone" without understanding why they feel so overwhelmed. This leads to a deep-seated feeling of guilt, guilt for not being "enough" for themselves, their families, or their businesses. The "Permission Slip" Concept To combat this guilt, Alyece introduces a powerful mental tool: the permission slip. Many of us spend our lives waiting for someone else to tell us it’s okay to rest, okay to ask for help, or okay to do things differently. Angela shared a personal story of how her physiotherapist literally wrote her a "prescription" to ask for help after a car accident. This physical note served as a tangible reminder that she didn't have to carry the world on her shoulders. Alyece suggests that we shouldn't wait for a doctor or a coach to give us that authority. We can create our own permission slips. Whether it’s a sticky note on the mirror or a digital reminder, giving yourself explicit permission to honour your needs is essential for breaking the cycle of overgiving. Energy Management vs. Traditional Productivity The traditional "productivity guru" advice usually focuses on time management. However, for the neurodivergent brain, energy management is far more important. We all have different energy patterns; what recharges one person might completely drain another. For example, Angela mentions that while some people find a trip to the mall energizing, for her, it’s a massive energy drain. Alyece agrees, noting that she prefers the efficiency of online shopping to avoid the sens...

In the latest episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mondor, also known as the "Geeky Girl," sits down with an extraordinary guest whose life story is a masterclass in resilience, transformation, and the pursuit of peak performance. Sandee Sgarlata is a recruiting strategist, a two-time award-winning author, and a retired professional athlete who has spent decades navigating the high-pressure worlds of figure skating and corporate leadership. For many high achievers, the external markers of success often mask a deeper struggle with perfectionism and self-doubt. Sandee’s journey is no different. Despite her impressive resume, she spent years battling the feeling of "not being good enough." In this conversation, Angela and Sandee dive deep into how to silence the inner critic, the importance of "gliding" through life’s transitions, and why the most successful entrepreneurs are the ones who never stop learning. The Metaphor of the Blade: Finding Your Stance The conversation opens with a fascinating comparison between figure skating and hockey. While both sports take place on the ice, the tools and techniques required are vastly different. Angela, a former figure skater, and Sandee, who has coached both figure skaters and hockey players, discuss the physical and mental shifts required to switch between the two. In figure skating, the blades are longer and flatter, featuring a toe pick essential for jumps and spins. Hockey skates, by contrast, require a more forward-leaning stance and offer more agility for chasing a puck. This serves as a powerful metaphor for neurodiversity and the different "tools" we use to navigate life. Just as a skater must adjust their center of gravity depending on their equipment, we must recognize that the strategies that work for one person might not work for another. Whether you are "gliding" through life or "chasing the puck" in your career, understanding your unique strengths and the tools you have at your disposal is the first step toward peak performance. Riding the Waves: The Duality of the Human Experience Sandee shares a personal symbol she wears, a wave necklace, to remind herself of a vital life lesson: "Just ride the waves." Life is rarely a straight line; it is a series of peaks and valleys. Sandee emphasizes that to truly experience love and joy, one must also be willing to experience pain and hurt. Many people, especially those prone to "overgiving," try to avoid the darkness or the "bad stuff." However, Sandee argues that these challenges are what make the human experience special. You cannot have light without shadow, and you cannot appreciate the good times without the perspective gained from the difficult ones. Embracing this duality allows for a more authentic and resilient approach to both life and business. Redefining Success: The "Gold Medal" Mindset One of the most poignant moments in the interview is when Sandee clarifies her "gold medalist" status. While many assume it refers to an Olympic victory, Sandee explains that her gold medal in ice dancing represents a specific level of technical mastery within the sport, a "black belt" of sorts. What makes this achievement significant is why she pursued it. Sandee didn’t reach this level as a child; she went back as a 34-year-old adult to complete the standard gold medal test. She chose the harder path, testing as a standard skater rather than an adult skater, because she wanted to prove her worth to herself and gain confidence in her coaching career. This story highlights two different paths to self-worth: External Validation: Seeking certifications or demarcations from organizations to validate one's skills. Internal Validation: Proving one's worth through personal milestones and honouring the drive within. Neither path is inherently better, but as Sandee and Angela discuss, the key is honouring what is inside you and using those achievements to resolve feelings of inade...

Have you ever felt like you are living your life on autopilot, moving from one task to the next without a clear sense of direction? Many professionals, especially those in the corporate world, find themselves trapped in a cycle of "living despite" their circumstances rather than "living by design." In a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mondor (the "Geeky Girl") sat down with Sarah Olifa, the founder and CEO of CognifyMe, to discuss how to break free from these limitations and create a lifestyle that truly supports your unique needs. Sarah Olifa is a powerhouse in the world of neurodivergent performance. As the host of the Divine Enigma podcast and a leader with over a decade of experience in business transformation, Sarah combines her lived experience with ADHD and dyslexia to help others navigate the complexities of the workplace. In this conversation, Angela and Sarah explore the intersection of entrepreneurship, neurodivergence, and the intentional design of one’s future. Living Life by Design, Not by Default One of the most profound concepts discussed in the episode is the idea of designing your own life. Sarah emphasizes that many people feel stuck in their current situations because they believe they have no other choice. However, she argues that while some seasons of life require us to endure difficult circumstances, it is entirely possible to architect a future that aligns with our personal desires and professional goals. "I’m a very big believer of designing your own life," Sarah notes. "You live your life by design rather than by despite... it might take a little bit of time building that life, figuring out what it is you’re good at, what works for you, and what doesn’t." This process of self-actualization isn't always fast. For many, it requires a period of trial and error. Sarah admits that she felt "late to the party" in realizing what she truly wanted, but the key is the realization that you can have everything you want, just perhaps not all at the same time. This perspective allows for a healthier approach to goal-setting, where compromise and patience play vital roles in long-term success. The Freedom of the "Laptop Life" and Location Independence A significant part of designing a life involves deciding where that life takes place. Both Angela and Sarah are currently navigating major geographical transitions. Sarah, currently based in London, is exploring a move to tech-forward hubs like Dubai or Malta. Meanwhile, Angela is preparing for a cross-country move within Canada as her husband transitions into retirement. For entrepreneurs and digital professionals, the ability to work from anywhere is a game-changer. Sarah highlights the benefits of looking beyond one's current borders: Tech-Forward Environments: Countries like Malta and Dubai offer fast-paced, efficient infrastructures that appeal to forward-thinking entrepreneurs. Community and Integration: Finding a location where the culture is friendly and integration is easy can significantly lower the stress of a major move. Productivity: While in-person connection is valuable, the freedom to be productive from a laptop allows for a lifestyle that prioritizes personal well-being and exploration. However, this freedom often requires navigating the needs of a partner. Angela and Sarah both discuss the "compromise challenge" when one partner has a location-independent job and the other has a role that requires physical presence, such as teaching or people-based services. The solution lies in communication and a shared vision for the future. Strategic Compromise: Beginning with the End in Mind How do you move forward when you and your partner have different visions for the journey? Angela shares a powerful strategy based on Stephen Covey’s principle: Begin with the end in mind. She illustrates this with a personal anecdote about a cross-Canada trip.

Finding Peace in the Stitch: How Mindfulness and Crochet Can Prevent Burnout In a world that constantly demands more of our time, energy, and attention, many of us fall into the trap of overgiving. We push ourselves until our tanks are empty, often ignoring the warning signs of exhaustion until we hit a wall. But what if the secret to recovery and sustainable productivity was as simple as a hook and some yarn? In a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mondor (the "Geeky Girl") sat down with Amanda Woodbury, founder of the Mindful Hook and CEO of the Yarnpreneur Academy. Together, they explored the profound connection between creative rituals, physical healing, and the importance of recognizing burnout before it consumes you. Whether you are a seasoned "maker" or someone looking for a way to slow down, their conversation offers a roadmap for using mindfulness to reclaim your peace. The Healing Power of Creative Rituals For Angela, the journey back to crochet wasn't just about a hobby; it was a vital part of her recovery from a concussion. When a brain injury leaves you unable to handle high-intensity tasks or even the light of a television screen, the world can feel very small. Angela found that while her brain was ready to create, her body was still demanding rest. "I needed to create something," Angela shared, noting that more physical activities like pottery were out of the question. Crochet provided the perfect middle ground. It allowed her to be productive and creative while remaining physically still. This "low-impact creativity" is a powerful tool for anyone recovering from illness, injury, or extreme stress. It proves that we don't always have to be "hustling" to be doing something meaningful. Connecting with the Past Many people find their way to crochet through family traditions. Angela reminisced about sitting at her grandmother’s feet, holding hanks of yarn while they were wound into balls. Bringing that childhood connection into adulthood adds a layer of emotional comfort to the craft. When you combine the nostalgia of the past with the mindfulness of the present, crochet becomes more than just making a blanket, it becomes a grounding ritual. Mindfulness vs. Complexity: Finding Your Flow One of the most interesting parts of the discussion centred on the different "levels" of crochet and how they affect our mental state. In the crafting world, there is often pressure to move from beginner to advanced projects. However, Amanda and Angela argue that simplicity is often where the most healing happens. Mindless Crochet: This involves repetitive, simple stitches that allow you to fall into a rhythm. This state of "flow" is incredibly calming for the nervous system. It’s the kind of project you can do while watching TV or talking to family. Complex Crochet: These are intermediate or advanced patterns that require intense counting and focus. While these are great for learning new skills, they can actually add to your stress if you are already feeling overwhelmed. Angela shared a story about making a stuffed frog for her daughter. The project required so much concentration that she couldn't do anything else. While she enjoyed the result, it wasn't the "relaxing" experience she needed for her recovery. The lesson here? Know what you need from your creative time. If you need to de-stress, stick to the simple rows. If you need a mental challenge to distract you from the world, go for the complex pattern. The Business of Joy and Avoiding the Burnout Trap As the CEO of the Yarnpreneur Academy, Amanda works with makers who want to turn their craft into a business. One of the biggest risks for creative entrepreneurs is losing the joy of their craft by trying to meet everyone else's expectations. This is a primary driver of burnout. Amanda admitted that even as a professional, she prefers beginner and easy-level patterns.

In a world that constantly demands more, more productivity, more optimization, and more "giving", it is easy to lose sight of the most important system of all: our own nervous system. For many high-capacity individuals, particularly those who identify as neurodivergent or recovering "overgivers," the weight of the unseen can become a heavy burden. In a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mander (the Geeky Girl) sat down with Amy Veros, a coach and systems thinker, to discuss how we can transition from overfunctioning to a state of wholeness. Amy Veros, the host of the Control Alt Thinker podcast, specializes in partnering with sensitive humans who feel the weight of internal signals that don’t always fit into a linear world. Their conversation delved deep into the nuances of sensory sensitivity, the reality of nervous system regulation, and why your "bad mood" in the morning might not be an emotional problem at all, but a physiological one. Beyond Optimization: Building Systems for Wholeness Many business systems are designed around the idea of peak optimization, squeezing every ounce of productivity out of a day. However, for neurodivergent creatives and overgivers, this approach often leads to burnout. Amy suggests a different path: leaning into curiosity rather than overachievement. Instead of asking how we can do more, we should be asking how the patterns in our nervous system map into how we build our businesses. When we uncover these questions, we can co-design systems that ask less of the body and rely more on the concept of wholeness. This shift allows us to move away from the "formal polish" of a perfect bio or a rigid schedule and toward a more fluid, evidence-based way of living and working. The Science of Sensitivity: Light, Sound, and Visceral Reactions One of the most enlightening parts of the conversation centred on sensory sensitivities. For many people, a sensitivity isn't just a minor annoyance; it is a visceral, nervous system-based reaction. Angela and Amy shared several specific examples that highlight how differently we all process the world around us: Light Sensitivity: While Amy requires intense light to function (using sun lamps to keep her apartment bright), she experiences visceral anger when walking under specific blue-white streetlights at night. Angela, recovering from a traumatic brain injury (TBI), has found that her relationship with light has shifted entirely, making her more of a "sunglass girl" to manage the intensity. Sound Triggers: Sensitivities aren't always "socially acceptable" sounds like nails on a chalkboard. Angela notes that baroque music causes her skin to crawl and triggers instant anger. For Amy, the sound of car tires on wet roads is a major "twitch" factor. The "Hum" of Life: Many sensitive individuals are plagued by the constant hum of a refrigerator or the distortion of everyday background noise, which can slowly erode their resilience throughout the day. Understanding these triggers is the first step toward regulation. It isn't about being "more tolerant"; it’s about recognizing that these are physical signals from the nervous system that require a response. Tools for Managing Sensory Input To navigate a world that isn't built for sensitive systems, both Angela and Amy use specific tools to "massage" their environment. If you find yourself overwhelmed by your surroundings, you might consider similar interventions: Filtered Earbuds: Angela uses Loop earbuds to take the edge off sharp noises, such as a dog's bark. Acoustic Redirectors: Amy utilizes Flare Audio ear sleeves. Unlike traditional earplugs that cut decibel volume, these redirect sound into the ear to remove distortion without losing the ability to hear conversations. Visual Aids: Using yellow-tinted glasses at night can help mitigate the harshness of blue light from streetlights or screens,

In a world that often demands conformity, especially in professional settings, showing up as your true self can feel like a radical act. This is particularly true for neurodivergent individuals who have spent years "masking" to fit into traditional corporate structures. On a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Monder (also known as the Geeky Girl) sat down with Natasha M. Nurse, Esquire, to discuss a transformative topic: the power of bringing your neurodivergent self to work every single day. Natasha, a neurodivergent pathfinder, storyteller, and DEI advocate, shared her personal journey of navigating career shifts, a late-in-life diagnosis, and the liberation that comes from finally "taking a breath" and living in alignment with how her brain actually works. Whether you are neurodivergent yourself or an ally looking to foster a more inclusive workplace, her insights offer a roadmap for moving from shame to empowerment. Embracing the "Party Tricks": Autism and ADHD at Work For many, the job interview process is a high-stakes game of presenting the most polished, "perfect" version of oneself. However, Natasha took a different approach during her recent career transition. After leaving the DEI and HR space, she joined MRM Education, an organization where she decided to be vocal about her neurodivergence from the very first meeting. "It was one of the first things I talked about," Natasha shared. "Hey, I'm autistic. I have ADHD. Those party tricks like to go together." By bringing her full self to the table, including her diagnosis of AuDHD (Autism and ADHD), she wasn't just asking for a job; she was looking for a partnership. This transparency allowed the organization’s founder, Matt McGee, to design a role that played to her strengths, such as content creation, partnership development, and peer support, rather than forcing her into a rigid box that didn't fit her cognitive style. The Essential Need for Workplace Flexibility One of the most significant hurdles for neurodivergent professionals is the traditional 9-to-5, office-bound schedule. For many, productivity doesn't happen in a linear fashion. Natasha highlighted that for her brain, "sweet spots" for hyperfocus might occur outside of standard business hours. Key elements of a supportive workplace include: Autonomy: Having the freedom to manage your own time and tasks. Fluidity: Moving away from rigid processes and focusing on the results rather than the method. Psychological Safety: Knowing that you won't be judged for working differently. As Angela noted, when neurodivergent individuals are supported and allowed to work in ways that suit their brains, they are capable of doing amazing things. The goal isn't to work "less," but to work better by removing the friction caused by neurotypical standards. The Journey of Late Diagnosis: From Confusion to Clarity Both Angela and Natasha received their diagnoses in their thirties. This "late diagnosis" experience is common, especially for women, who are often overlooked or misdiagnosed in childhood. While some wonder if a formal diagnosis is necessary, Natasha and Angela agree that it can be a monumental tool for empowerment. Natasha described the post-diagnosis phase as a period of rediscovery. "It feels like life is not so much a holding of my breath, but I can actually take a breath and breathe," she explained. However, she also noted that it can feel like becoming a child again. You have to relearn what fuels you, what drains you, and what your actual values are, separate from the expectations of society. Breaking the Cycle of Shame Perhaps the most damaging part of being undiagnosed is the internal narrative. When you struggle with things that seem easy for others, the default response is often shame. Neurodivergent individuals often hold themselves to "neurotypical standards," leading to a constant sense of failure.

Do you ever feel like you are running on empty, yet you keep pushing yourself to do just one more thing? For many of us, especially those who identify as overgivers, high achievers, or neurodivergent individuals, the road to burnout is paved with "just five more minutes." We ignore our bodies, suppress our needs, and eventually hit a wall that feels impossible to climb over. In a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mandor (also known as the Geeky Girl) sat down with Paula Liub, a burnout expert specifically for ADHD and highly sensitive people (HSP). Paula brings a unique perspective, combining her background in psychology with 20 years of mindfulness and yoga practice. Their conversation uncovered powerful, science-backed tools to help you stop the cycle of overgiving and start listening to the one person you usually ignore: yourself. The Power of the Sensory Reset At the very beginning of their conversation, Paula shared a simple yet profound trick she uses right before a meeting or a deep work session: a facial essence spray. While it might seem like a small cosmetic habit, it is actually a sophisticated sensory reset. For Paula, the combination of scent (lavender, rose, or birch) and the physical sensation of moisture serves multiple purposes: Mindset Shift: The scent acts as a psychological anchor, signalling to the brain that it is time to transition from one task to another. Physical Regulation: In dry, heated indoor environments, the mist moisturizes the air, making it easier to breathe and speak. Cooling Effect: The physical coolness of the spray helps lower the body's immediate stress response, providing a moment of calm. Many neurodivergent people have specific sensory needs. Whether it is lighting a specific candle to signal "client mode" or using scents to dampen overwhelming environmental noise, these sensory tools are not just "nice to have"—they are essential for nervous system regulation. Breathwork: Your Only Manual Control for Stress One of the most fascinating insights Paula shared involves the science of breathing. Most of our bodily functions—heart rate, digestion, sweating—are controlled by the autonomous nervous system. We cannot simply tell our hearts to slow down or our stomachs to digest faster through sheer willpower. However, the breath is the exception. It is the only system in the body that is both voluntary and involuntary. This makes it your most powerful tool for managing stress. By intentionally slowing down your breath and breathing more deeply into the abdomen, you can manually switch on the parasympathetic nervous system (the "rest and digest" mode). This, in turn, signals the heart rate to slow down and the body to exit the "fight or flight" response. As Paula notes, breathing properly is a habit that can be built over time, even for those who are chronic "shallow breathers." Other Tools for Nervous System Regulation If sitting still for breathwork feels challenging, Paula and Angela suggest other physical ways to regulate your nervous system: Singing and Humming: These activities vibrate the vagus nerve, which helps the body downshift from a state of high alert. Dancing: Moving your body to a song you love can break the tension of a stressful workday. Visual Reminders: Angela even shared that she has a tattoo to remind herself to "just breathe," showing how important these prompts are for staying grounded. The Interoception Gap: Why We Ignore Our Bodies A major hurdle for ADHD and highly sensitive people is a concept called interoception. Interoception is the ability to sense what is happening inside your body—things like hunger, thirst, the need to use the bathroom, or even internal temperature. Many neurodivergent individuals struggle with this. You might not realize you are hungry until you are famished, or you might ignore the need to use the restroom because you are in a state of...

In a world that has long demanded conformity, the conversation around neurodivergence is finally shifting. We are moving away from hiding our "quirks" and toward a space where being "crazy and fun" is celebrated. On a recent episode of the Overgivers Anonymous podcast, host Angela Mandor (the "Geeky Girl") sat down with Sarah Snyder, a former journalist and the voice behind the Adulting with ADHD podcast. Their conversation dives deep into the realities of running a business and a podcast while navigating the unique challenges of an ADHD brain. For many neurodivergent entrepreneurs, the journey isn't just about spreadsheets and strategy; it’s about managing energy, protecting vulnerability, and finding a way to stay consistent when the initial "spark" of a project begins to fade. Whether you are a business owner with ADHD or someone looking to understand the neurodivergent experience better, this discussion offers a raw look at what it takes to show up authentically in a neurotypical world. The ADHD Novelty Cycle in Podcasting One of the most common traits of the ADHD brain is the love for novelty. When a new project starts—like launching a podcast—the "shininess" of the task provides a natural dopamine hit that keeps you engaged. However, as Sarah points out, that novelty eventually wears off, even if you truly love what you’re doing. Sarah describes this as the "sweet spot" of podcasting: staying engaged enough to avoid distraction, but having a backup plan for the days when the motivation isn't there. To combat the inevitable "lull" in excitement, she emphasizes the importance of core habits and deliverables. By establishing a baseline of quality, you ensure that even on your "off" days, you are providing consistent value to your audience. This allows you to go "extra" when you have the energy, without the pressure of having to maintain that peak intensity 24/7. The Bravery of Being Unfiltered Being a public figure with ADHD requires a specific kind of bravery. Sarah reflects on her early days of podcasting, where she was "raw and unfiltered." At the time, she took that authenticity for granted, feeling safe within her online bubble of supportive, like-minded individuals. However, as her platform grew, she realized that not all spaces are as welcoming as the neurodivergent community. This realization led to a "bout of anxiety" and a moment of reflection. "There is a bravery to exist openly that you can’t take for granted, and we have to protect it," Sarah notes. For many neurodivergent people, being "real" isn't a choice or a marketing tactic—it’s the only way they know how to exist. While others may see this as a gift, for the person living it, that level of vulnerability can feel exposed and overwhelming. Angela echoes this sentiment, noting the "weird role reversal" that happens when you spend most of your time in neurodivergent circles. When you finally step back into a "typical" or corporate environment, the rigidity of others can feel confusing. The challenge for the ADHD entrepreneur is to harness that authenticity as a strength while setting boundaries to protect their emotional well-being. Navigating High Empathy: The Circle of Control A significant part of the neurodivergent experience—especially for those with ADHD or autism—is a high level of empathy and a deep sense of "justice sensitivity." This can make the world feel incredibly heavy, particularly when we are bombarded with news of global struggles or local injustices. To help manage this emotional weight, Angela introduces a powerful framework: The Circle of Control. This tool is designed to help high-empathy individuals stay functional without becoming consumed by things they cannot change. The framework consists of three layers: The Circle of Control: This is the inner circle. it includes the things you have direct power over—your actions, your words, your business decisions, and your self-care.

Welcome back to the Overgivers Anonymous podcast! I am so incredibly excited to share today’s conversation with you. If you’ve been following me for a while, you know I’m Angela Mondor, also known as the Geeky Girl, and my mission is to help you move past the cycle of overgiving so you can truly thrive in your business and life. Today, I am joined by a very special guest, Helen Lindup. Helen was a standout speaker at our recent Neurodivergent Business Summit, and her journey is one that I know will resonate with so many of you. Helen is a mentor for neurodivergent solo and independent business owners, and she brings decades of experience across IT training, education, and small business. She helps people find the clarity and confidence they need to make their businesses soar. We had such a blast "geeking out" together—don't worry, we kept it to "semi-geek" levels—but more importantly, we dove deep into how your unique way of thinking can be your greatest business asset. Let’s dive into the heart of our conversation! The Path to Supporting Neurodivergent Entrepreneurs One of the most inspiring parts of Helen’s story is how she allowed her career to evolve naturally. For years, she worked in adult education, helping people brush up on skills they felt they missed out on during their school years. What she discovered was a powerful pattern: many of these adults weren't "bad at school"—they were neurodivergent and simply hadn't been supported correctly. Helen noticed that many of her students, often in their 40s, were suddenly realizing they had dyslexia, autism, or dyscalculia. This realization usually came after their own children received a diagnosis, leading to a "lightbulb moment" where they finally understood why they had struggled for so long. Helen found it incredibly rewarding to watch the pieces "slot into place" for these individuals as they realized they could learn and succeed when the information was presented in a way that worked for their brains. "I just like working with people that think in different ways," Helen shared. This passion eventually led her to pivot her business. She realized that neurodivergent business owners were often overwhelmed by traditional, corporate-style strategies that didn't account for how they processed information. By combining her IT training background with her heart for mentoring, she created a space where people can learn at their own pace and in their own way. Why Email Marketing is Your Business’s Best Friend We spent a lot of time talking about Helen’s specialty: email marketing. In a world that is constantly chasing the next "shiny" social media platform, Helen remains a fierce advocate for the power of the inbox. Why? Because email is an asset you own. Back in the early 2010s, it was easier to be a "jack of all trades" in digital marketing. But as social media exploded and became increasingly complex, Helen realized that small businesses were putting themselves at risk by relying solely on platforms like Facebook or YouTube. We’ve all heard the horror stories: accounts getting shut down, reach dropping to zero overnight, or getting locked out of an audience you spent years building. Email marketing is the system that underpins everything else. It’s the safety net that ensures you can always reach your people, regardless of what the algorithms decide to do today. Helen’s mission is to take the "complicated and overwhelming" parts of email—the data, the strategy, the tech—and make them accessible for business owners who want to build a sustainable, long-term asset. The Trap of "Rented Land" I’ve always been a big believer in owning your data. As a "PC and Android girl," I like to be able to peel things apart and stay in control! The same logic applies to your business. When you build your entire presence on a social media platform, you are essentially building a house on rented land. If the landlord changes the rules (or kicks you out),