God Is Not A Theory

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor sit down with John Ruttkay—a close associate of Lonnie Frisbee who traveled with him for roughly a decade through the Jesus People revival, and a longtime friend of Ken’s from the early Vineyard days. Now in his seventies, John is quietly seeing revival break out again, largely off the radar of mainstream and even Christian media.John reflects on the “zeitgeist”—the spirit of the age—that shaped the 1960s and ’70s and the Jesus Movement that answered it: kids raising kids, an explosion of new believers, and a hunger for the authentic. He unpacks why, at his age, he carries such unusual favor with people far younger—the grandfather and spiritual-father grace a fatherless generation is desperate for—and why the body of Christ needs an intergenerational, kingdom-minded family. From there he tells stories that aren’t making the news: a Halloween-night deliverance of an 11-time Muay Thai world champion, revival spilling onto the Texas A&M campus with students baptizing one another, and a slow, prayer-soaked labor toward awakening in Boston’s universities.In this conversation:The “zeitgeist”—the spirit of the age—then and nowThe Jesus Movement: kids raising kids and a hunger for the authenticWhy grandparents and spiritual fathers reach a fatherless generationRecovering an intergenerational, kingdom-minded family of GodAuthenticity over the “religious industrial complex”A Halloween-night deliverance of an 11-time world championRevival spilling onto the Texas A&M campus—kids baptizing kidsSlow, prayer-soaked labor toward awakening in Boston’s universitiesComparing the Jesus revival of the ’70s with our moment nowWhy there is no retirement in the kingdomThe kingdom will burn you up, but it won’t burn you out—so be present to what God is doing now.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor welcome back Putty Putman to revisit a message that struck a nerve at the recent Luminosity conference leaders’ luncheon—one so many attendees asked about that they brought it to the podcast.Putty names the moment the church finds itself in: a painful reckoning across the body of Christ, especially in charismatic streams, alongside a wider culture sprinting away from the things of God. For decades, he argues, the American church’s strategy has been to build a Christian subculture—a Christianized version of American life, with the gap between church and culture kept small. That approach reached many, but it leaves the church with an impossible choice as the culture moves: drift along with it, or recover its calling to be a counterculture. Drawing on Jesus’ own words—a city on a hill, salt, light—Putty lays out what that requires.In this conversation:The dual reckoning: scandal within the church and a culture moving away from GodSubculture vs. counterculture—and why the subculture strategy has run its courseWhat happens to a church that aligns itself to a shifting cultureWhy looking like Jesus means standing out—a city on a hill, salt and lightStanding out without becoming a provocateurCounting the cost on the front side, not as a bait-and-switchWhy a “halfway walk with Jesus” won’t sustain a countercultural lifeHow being different, paying the cost, and deep roots interlockA call to leaders: go first, then pour it into everyone who will listenThe day of the Christian subculture has passed. We either learn to be a counterculture—or we disappear.📅 Hear Putty Putman, Ken Fish, and more at the Heal the Healers conference | Oct 30–31 | Boston, MA. Click here to register: https://healthehealersconference.com/Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor welcome back Dr. Craig Keener—one of the world’s leading New Testament scholars—to discuss his new book, Spiritual Gifts Are for Today: A Biblical Case for the Continuing Work of the Spirit, co-written with Daniel Kolenda of Christ for All Nations.Written in response to the recent wave of hard cessationism, the book makes a thorough, scripture-saturated case that the gifts of the Spirit are for the church today. Craig and Joel walk through its boldest arguments: why the cessationist hermeneutic, applied consistently, would also throw out teaching, salvation, and the Great Commission; why 1 Corinthians 13 points to Christ’s return, not a closed canon; and the “apostles and oranges” confusion between apostleship and the writing of Scripture. In this conversation:Why Craig and Daniel Kolenda wrote the book nowHow the cessationist hermeneutic, applied consistently, collapsesWhy 1 Corinthians 13 points to Christ’s return, not a closed canon“Apostles and oranges”—apostleship vs. the writing of ScriptureWhether apostolic “foundation-laying” continues todayThe strongest argument for cessationism—and the biblical answerPersistence in prayer, and why some healings are real but not rapidNavigating scandals and falls with a sound biblical frameworkKeeping a cutting edge in the Spirit while working in the academyDon’t throw out the gifts because some misuse them—correct the abuse, and earnestly seek the gifts, because the God who gives them is not a theory.📅 Hear Dr. Craig Keener and Ken Fish together at the Heal the Healers conference | Oct 30–31 | Boston, MA. Look it up online to register.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor are joined by Dr. Sam Storms—theologian, author, and longtime pastor—for a careful, substantive conversation about the doctrine of last things: what Scripture actually teaches about the fate of the unsaved.Together they define the terms and weigh the views: eternal conscious punishment (the historic position), annihilationism and its modern form conditional immortality, and universalism. Drawing on texts like Matthew 25 and Revelation 14, Sam makes the biblical case for the traditional view while engaging the strongest arguments on the other side with honesty and charity. The conversation keeps returning to a deeper root: nearly every theological error flows from a misconception about the nature of God—and much of modern theology has quietly turned into anthropology, exalting human feeling over God's revealed Word.In this conversation:Defining the terms: eternal conscious punishment, annihilationism, conditional immortality, universalismThe key texts—Matthew 25 and Revelation 14—and how "eternal" is usedWhy most theological error traces back to a misconception of God's characterHow modern theology turned into anthropology—human feeling over God's WordWhy "hyper-grace" and a one-dimensional view of love open the door to universalismWhether annihilationism logically collapses into universalismJohn Stott's honest struggle—and why emotions can't be the standard of truthHolding conviction with charity toward fellow believers who differWhy biblical immortality isn't the same as Plato's immortality of the soulDon't let your preferences be the final word—submit your heart to the authority of Scripture, because bad theology hurts people.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor sit down with Dr. Joshua Brown—neuroscientist, professor of psychological and brain sciences, and author of Proving a Miracle: Unlocking the Power of Prayer to Heal.Josh shares the story that set him on this path: at 30, days after his first child was born, he was diagnosed with a brain tumor and given little medical hope. What followed was a years-long pursuit of healing prayer—and, eventually, a clean scan. That journey turned a hard-nosed brain scientist into a careful investigator of divine healing, and this conversation models how faith and rigorous inquiry can work together rather than against each other.In this conversation:Josh's journey from a brain-tumor diagnosis to a clean scanWhat actually counts as a "miracle"—and why precision builds credibilityHow placebo and mind-body effects work (and where they break down)Scientific vs. historical ways of investigating a healingThe randomized clinical trial of prayer—and what it foundWhy the hard questions should come from inside the churchConfirmation bias—and guarding against it without losing faithHow our beliefs are shaped by experience, not just ScriptureA brief, candid detour into UFOs, trauma, and discernmentNot everything is a miracle—and if everything is, then nothing is. Precision about what God has done makes the testimony stronger, not weaker.📅 Hear more from Dr. Joshua Brown and Ken Fish at the Heal the Healers conference | Oct 30–31 | Boston, MA: https://healthehealersconference.comConnect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Kady Taylor welcome back Jerame Nelson—revivalist, evangelist, and pastor of Rev Church, who has seen millions come to Christ in the nations—and a returning speaker at the upcoming Luminosity conference (Nashville, Oct 1–3, 2026). Register: https://kingdomluminosity.org/Jerame shares from a year marked by revival, international crusades, and remarkable creative miracles, and senses another move of God stirring. But the conversation goes deeper than the miraculous. Against the backdrop of recent falls and exposures in ministry, Jerame and Ken talk candidly about responding rather than reacting, refusing hero worship, and why solid foundations, real discipleship, and consecration born of love—not legalism—are the way forward.In this conversation:A year of revival, international crusades, and creative miraclesResponding rather than reacting to falls and exposures in ministryOvercoming hero worship—anchoring faith in Jesus, not peopleWhy the enemy targets and "falsely promotes" a cracked foundationDiscerning a true word of knowledge from a "familiar spirit"Why the coming move needs a manifestation of love, not just powerHow Jesus discipled the unlikely—and tested them by sending them outConsecration born of love, not legalism—and the fear of the LordConviction vs. condemnation—and how to tell the differenceFall so in love with Jesus that you'd never want to grieve His heart—that's where holiness begins.Register for Luminosity📅 October 1–3, 2026 | Nashville Area (Bethel World Outreach Church)🎟️ Register today: https://kingdomluminosity.org/❤️‍🩹 Healing service September 30 | NOW AT FULL CAPACITY - the service portion of the evening will be livestreamed and available online here.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Kady Taylor welcome back David Taylor—a seasoned prophet, longtime friend of Ken's from their Fuller Seminary and Vineyard days, and a returning speaker at the upcoming Luminosity conference (Nashville, Oct 1–3, 2026). Register: https://kingdomluminosity.org/With more than 50 years of prophetic experience, David brings hard-won wisdom to this year's theme of consecration and holiness. Reflecting on the recent shaking in prophetic ministry, he and Ken talk honestly about the temptations that derail prophets—fear of failure, insecurity, the craving for affirmation, and financial pressure—and the way back: the fear of the Lord, integrity, and relationships that keep us grounded. David also opens up about his own prophetic journey, the character-forging wilderness years, and the encounters that marked his calling.In this conversation:The temptations that derail prophets—and the way back to integrityIsaiah 32: "the noble man makes noble plans, and by noble deeds he stands"Why relationship, not just "accountability," keeps us groundedDavid's prophetic journey—from conversion at 18 to the wilderness yearsAngelic encounters, visions, and how common they are among prophetsHow to grow in hearing God—the discipline of listeningThe five-fold ministry pictured as a sailing shipThe life of Joseph: "tested until it proved him true"Living the long game—a seed that must fall and die to bear fruitRegister for Luminosity📅 October 1–3, 2026 | Nashville Area (Bethel World Outreach Church)🎟️ Register today: https://kingdomluminosity.org/❤️‍🩹 Healing service September 30 | NOW AT FULL CAPACITY - the service portion of the evening will be livestreamed and available online here.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish is joined by Grant Pemberton, Kady Taylor, and returning guest Melissa Chalhoub—a prophetic minister whose heart is to help people discern the voice of God with accuracy, humility, and love, and a speaker at the upcoming Luminosity conference (Nashville, Oct 1–3, 2026). Register: https://kingdomluminosity.org/After several painful years of exposure and upheaval in prophetic ministry, this conversation asks the honest questions: What is God doing in the midst of it all? What is the enemy after? And how do we reform the prophetic without throwing it away? Together they hold two things at once—unflinching honesty about the abuse, hype, and lack of accountability that have wounded so many, and a deep conviction that genuine prophetic ministry heals, sets free, and points people to Jesus. Melissa shares candidly about her own journey and about learning to trust God's voice even through the smallest details.In this conversation:What God is doing—and what the enemy is after—in the shaking of the propheticWhy the prophetic heals, sets free, and points people to JesusThe "commercialization of the Holy Spirit" and the need for accountability"The answer to abuse is never neglect"—reforming without quenching the SpiritAcknowledging the pain of those wounded by prophetic abuseHow every believer can learn to hear God's voiceMelissa's own journey with the propheticThe role of discernment—and asking God for itHosting the presence of God and "bringing back the ark"Register for Luminosity📅 October 1–3, 2026 | Nashville Area (Bethel World Outreach Church)🎟️ Register today: https://kingdomluminosity.org/❤️‍🩹 Healing service September 30 | NOW AT FULL CAPACITY - the service portion of the evening will be livestreamed and available online here.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor welcome back Dr. Craig Keener—one of the world's leading New Testament scholars and a returning speaker at the Luminosity conference (Nashville, Oct 1–3, 2026). Register: https://kingdomluminosity.org/Bringing deep knowledge of Scripture together with a genuine hunger for the Holy Spirit, Dr. Keener unpacks this year's theme: consecration and holiness. He shares how he came to see holiness not as legalism or externals, but as loving God so much that nothing else compares—a burning, consuming fire. Drawing on the biblical language of light and glory and his firsthand experience of the 2023 Asbury outpouring, he describes a holiness that is deeply joyful: God's presence made accessible, His grace not only forgiving sin but transforming us into the image of His Son.In this conversation:Holiness as loving God above all—not legalism or externalsThe biblical language of light, glory & the cloud of God's presenceDr. Keener's firsthand experience of the 2023 Asbury outpouringWhy grace is about both salvation AND transformationHow word and Spirit belong togetherWalking and being led by the Spirit day by day"Consecrated in Christ"—already set apart, called to live it outHow one generation's revival can become the next's legalismThe awakening the church needs in this hourRegister for Luminosity📅 October 1–3, 2026 | Nashville Area (Bethel World Outreach Church)🎟️ Register today: https://kingdomluminosity.org/❤️‍🩹 Healing service September 30 | NOW AT FULL CAPACITY - the service portion of the evening will be livestreamed and available online here.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Church Planting, Discipleship & the Grace to Be Holy | Ken Fish, Jimmy Seibert & Joel Taylor Ken Fish and Joel Taylor welcome back Jimmy Seibert—leader of Antioch Waco and the Antioch Movement, one of the most effective church-planting movements in the Western world, and a speaker at the upcoming Luminosity conference (Nashville, Oct 1–3, 2026). Register: https://kingdomluminosity.org/Jimmy shares how the movement grew out of a full surrender as a young believer and a conviction that the local church is meant to both house and multiply the glory of God. The conversation ranges across world evangelization, why believers buy the lie that they aren't needed, and how partnering with God to reach every people group helps prepare the way for Christ's return. At its heart, it's about intimacy with God as the source of everything—"it takes God to do the work of God"—and why consecration and holiness are themselves a grace: power over sin, not just forgiveness of it.In this conversation:How the Antioch church-planting movement grew out of full surrender"A church for every 1,000 people"—and why the US is underservedWhy the enemy's great lie is that you're not neededPartnering with God to "hasten" Christ's return (Matthew 24:14)Reaching the next generation through heart, home, and shared missionDiscipleship that empowers rather than creates dependenceMaturity as taking responsibility for your own walk with GodConsecration and holiness as grace—power over sin, not just forgivenessWhy you can't set others free until you've been set freeRegister for Luminosity📅 October 1–3, 2026 | Nashville Area (Bethel World Outreach Church)❤️‍🩹 Healing Service: September 30 at Franklin Vineyard🎟️ Register today: https://kingdomluminosity.org/Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49