Fareed Zakaria on Ukraine, Trump, Wars, and the World Order
Does Ukraine’s fight have global significance? What might happen to the world if Russia wins? Is the liberal international order dead, or do we still have a chance to revive it? What is happening in America? And how can we manage the changes brought about by economic, political, social, and technological revolutions?
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Thinking in Dark Times is a podcast series in which we try to explore profound ideas and understand how they can help us find a way out of the current darkness. It is brought to you by UkraineWorld, an English language media about Ukraine.
Host: Volodymyr Yermolenko, a Ukrainian philosopher, editor-in-chief of UkraineWorld, and president of PEN Ukraine.
Guest: Fareed Zakaria, a renowned Indian-born American journalist and political commentator, host of Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN, columnist for The Washington Post, and bestselling author.
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CONTENTS:
0:00 Intro. Support: patreon.com/ukraineworld
0:53 Who is Fareed Zakaria, the guest on this episode, and how can listeners support Ukraine World?
1:49 Does Ukraine's fight truly possess global significance, or is it seen as just one of many issues in the wider world?
2:28 How important is the Russian war against Ukraine as a test for preserving the post-World War II international order, particularly the norm against changing borders by force?
4:59 What would the world look like if Russia were to win, potentially leading to a return to a pre-1945 order, versus if Ukraine were to achieve victory?
8:58 Is the liberal international order facing a "re-imperialization" trend, and will the process of democratization ultimately prevail against rising authoritarianism?
10:37 What is Fareed Zakaria's perspective on predicting the future, and how much lasting damage could Donald Trump's "naked imperialism" inflict on American foreign policy?
15:51 Why do some Western intellectuals exhibit a "tyranny of self-guilt," and how does this impact the discourse surrounding Western civilization's contributions and flaws?
22:03 Is the international order dead, or is it being tested, and how do "great powers" like the United States and its allies respond to violations of international law?
29:25 Can the transatlantic alliance recover from growing US reluctance to be a "global hegemon," and what role should Europe play in its own defense?
33:52 Is Europe truly prepared for the necessary transformation into a security union, given the challenges of national sovereignty and economic interests within the EU?
38:23 What lessons from historical revolutions, like the French Revolution, can guide us in managing contemporary transformations, such as the technological revolution, to avoid radical backlashes?
43:51 What is the optimal approach to societal change: gradual evolution through economic and cultural shifts, or radical political imposition?
48:10 What gives Fareed Zakaria hope about the future, and how should we temper nostalgia for the past with an understanding of historical complexities and incremental progress?